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[tetsutsuru]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...



Not reviving downed teammates,

i really failed at comprehending this when i read it, what does it mean?

PLEASE GOD  HELP ME COMPREHEND

Teammates, being plural.

You're beyond any help, even from your god.

[Kingston Atticus]

tetsutsuru wrote...


I've played PUGs with Volus who spammed Shield Boost. Cute, but kind'a silly. Then there are Volus players who actually keep a keen situational awareness, fire Shield Boost very timely, like when a teammate is staggered, etc. Teammates who stick with the team, specially during objective Waves. So what if the Volus isn't the one disarming the 4-objective... thing? The one disarming who comes under fire? At least be near the guy to Shield Boost him, right?

First any character can be support of some kind. That Destroyer specced for maxxed health in fitness and all the shield bonuses in Devastor mode with the Stronghold package and cyclonic mod 4/power cell 4 equipped carrying the Ar? Great support. While he is standing in the open firing away and perhaps going toe to toe with a boss, just taking split second cover for his shields to regen is the PEFECT time for another person to flank and destroy said enemies. Thus Destroyer was support.

Second if I am hacking a device, then get AWAY from me! I do not want or need you there drawing all the gun fire MY direction.

Now if I ask for the backup or you ask for it then fine group up at the device, but it is better if only ONE person comes to my aid so we do NOT cause the whole team to wipe. Most of the time all four at the device is what causes a failed device hack/disarm.

If you NEED to protect me at the risk of the WHOLE team what's that say for all of your skills, when I know mine are NOT awesome?

That is just my opinoin on the subject. And one more thing why do people who take the faster classes, want MY Destroyer to carry pizzas on gold? Yes I have more health and shields but it would be more effective to allow me to play support by following as your WELL-ARMED bodyguard! Now it does make sense to have me get it when I'm playing as my drellfiltrator with his movememnt speed bonus and occasional adreneline mods but NOT my (slower than a half-dead snail) Destroyer

Modifié par Kingston Atticus, 15 janvier 2013 - 06:56 .

[waltervolpatto]

I play volus all kits with PPR or piraña for the bowolus...

I do not die...

I kill...

I revive you before you get curb stomped....

U mad?

[DasSteube]

Claymore and Crusader Volus Sentinels are made win. Support Volus is the volus that leaves all of the bodies.

[tetsutsuru]

Kingston Atticus wrote...

First any character can be support of some kind. That Destroyer specced for maxxed health in fitness and all the shield bonuses in Devastor mode with the Stronghold package and cyclonic mod 4/power cell 4 equipped carrying the Ar? Great support. While he is standing in the open firing away and perhaps going toe to toe with a boss, just taking split second cover for his shields to regen is the PEFECT time for another person to flank and destroy said enemies. Thus Destroyer was support.

True.  However, the N7 Destroyer (per your example) is not indended to play a Support role whereas the Volus Engineer is, per BioWare themselves.

Kingston Atticus wrote...

Second if I am hacking a device, then get AWAY from me! I do not want or need you there drawing all the gun fire MY direction.

Now if I ask for the backup or you ask for it then fine group up at the device, but it is better if only ONE person comes to my aid so we do NOT cause the whole team to wipe. Most of the time all four at the device is what causes a failed device hack/disarm.

Two things:

1.  Kiting does not always work.

2.  Not everyone has/uses a mic.

Kingston Atticus wrote...

If you NEED to protect me at the risk of the WHOLE team what's that say for all of your skills, when I know mine are NOT awesome?

That is just my opinoin on the subject. And one more thing why do people who take the faster classes, want MY Destroyer to carry pizzas on gold? Yes I have more health and shields but it would be more effective to allow me to play support by following as your WELL-ARMED bodyguard! Now it does make sense to have me get it when I'm playing as my drellfiltrator with his movememnt speed bonus and occasional adreneline mods but NOT my (slower than a half-dead snail) Destroyer

What?  As in they actually say over the mic for the N7 Destroyer to take the pizza?  That's ridiculous.  I mean, it's great that said players actually use the mic, but to request the slowest runner to carry?  That makes no sense.

[darkpassenger2342]

bottom line of this thread, OP.

You failed gold.

you blamed someone else.

you made a thread whining about volus, and no one sympathizes with you.

You didnt like the responses and aggresively responded to everyone.

/rage on, get better, or approach a cry for sympathy with more forethought.

You are responsible for your failure, no one else.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 15 janvier 2013 - 07:05 .

[progste2]

that awkward time when a volus scores 7000 on silver...

[tetsutsuru]

waltervolpatto wrote...

I play volus all kits with PPR or piraña for the bowolus...

I do not die...

I kill...

I revive you before you get curb stomped....

U mad?

No.  In fact, that works for me.  You on PC?

In that match, I got curb-stomped before I even hit the ground, by a stomp-eager Collector Captain.  Even if I had a teammate right next to me, there was no chance to revive.  Hell, my Medigel didn't even fire.  Wasn't there supposed to be a delay before curb-stomping?  Oh well.

[DesioPL]

I start wondering, ME3 Multi is slowly look smillar to the LoL or DoTa games, really.

Tanker - Krogans.

DPS - Other characters.

Support - N7 Demolisher or Volus.

Blah i hate my logic. <_<

[Computron2000]

tetsutsuru wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

ToLazy4Name wrote...

You're mad.

My Volus Adept/VanGOD says screw support and destroys all enemies before him. The only team support he does is if someone is close enough to get caught in his Shield Boost, then lucky them.

No, dude.  I can understand AND appreciate the Volus taking out enemies.  Hey, one or whatever, less enemies per Wave, is one or whatever, less enemies per Wave.  Regardless of kit.

But no, this jacka** just kept on doing his own thing.

If he did not require revives and did objectives, i see no problem on him ramboing (if that is what is mean by doing his own thing)

No, unfotunately.  Wave 6 was a 4-Objective Wave.  That Volus did not approach ANY objective, while the 3 of us stuck together.  Pretty much that whole match.

1234 is a special objective. It depends on whether there is an infilitrator doing the objective. If the infilitrator is doing it, stay FAR FAR away from him. By staying close to an infilitrator you're endangering the objective and the disarmer due to the following
i) Get caught in AoE and force the disarm back to 0
ii) Get caught by the enemy's targeting cycle because you backed off and he was closest (unless he abandoned the disarm), particularly if it was a melee creature like a brute. Got sync killed due to this before.

If you had no infilitrators, the tactic should be 1 disarm, the rest keep watch on the incoming channels. This means staying further away from the disarmer (AoE) and jamming the chokepoints instead.

Eg. A Reactor disarm at the ammo box opposite the LZ (the one with the computer hologram) would have 1 guy watching the reactor core, 1 guy watching the staircase and 1 guy watching the corridor next to the staircase. If the entire lot of you was just sitting around the ammo box, then the objective would fail once AoE enemies show up

Using the reactor example, if the guy was killing stuff at the LZ, then yes he was not helpful at all.

You should describe exactly what the problem you have with the volus.

[tetsutsuru]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

bottom line of this thread, OP.

You failed gold.

you blamed someone else.

you made a thread whining about volus, and no one sympathizes with you.

You didnt like the responses and aggresively responded to everyone.

/rage on, get better, or approach a cry for sympathy with more forethought.

You are responsible for your failure, no one else.

Oh wow, yet another reply from you.  And yet another comprehension failure from you.  How surprising.

Where in this thread is my failure in Gold difficulty?

Where in this thread is the sole blame on the Volus?

Where in this thread is the aggressive response to EVERYONE (as in, not excluding any poster)?

Where in this thread is crying?

Aww, do you need a hug?  Well, too bad.

[darkpassenger2342]

tetsutsuru wrote...

VERY RARELY firing Shield Boost across the 9 Waves before we wiped (FB:Giant/Collectors/Gold), is the OPPOSITE of Team Support, specially when you ignore those DUTIES for personal kill score.  And yes, I spectated your performance when I was curb stomped by a stomp-eager Collector Captain, so I KNOW for a fact that you are a ******-poor team player.



Sorry.

do we have to do this again??

you lost gold, and blamed someone else.

now youre acting oblivious like you didnt type this stuff, its moronic.

being condescending and mocking my text doesnt change what you wrote.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 15 janvier 2013 - 07:12 .

[tetsutsuru]

Computron2000 wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

ToLazy4Name wrote...

You're mad.

My Volus Adept/VanGOD says screw support and destroys all enemies before him. The only team support he does is if someone is close enough to get caught in his Shield Boost, then lucky them.

No, dude.  I can understand AND appreciate the Volus taking out enemies.  Hey, one or whatever, less enemies per Wave, is one or whatever, less enemies per Wave.  Regardless of kit.

But no, this jacka** just kept on doing his own thing.

If he did not require revives and did objectives, i see no problem on him ramboing (if that is what is mean by doing his own thing)

No, unfotunately.  Wave 6 was a 4-Objective Wave.  That Volus did not approach ANY objective, while the 3 of us stuck together.  Pretty much that whole match.

1234 is a special objective. It depends on whether there is an infilitrator doing the objective. If the infilitrator is doing it, stay FAR FAR away from him. By staying close to an infilitrator you're endangering the objective and the disarmer due to the following
i) Get caught in AoE and force the disarm back to 0
ii) Get caught by the enemy's targeting cycle because you backed off and he was closest (unless he abandoned the disarm), particularly if it was a melee creature like a brute. Got sync killed due to this before.

If you had no infilitrators, the tactic should be 1 disarm, the rest keep watch on the incoming channels. This means staying further away from the disarmer (AoE) and jamming the chokepoints instead.

Eg. A Reactor disarm at the ammo box opposite the LZ (the one with the computer hologram) would have 1 guy watching the reactor core, 1 guy watching the staircase and 1 guy watching the corridor next to the staircase. If the entire lot of you was just sitting around the ammo box, then the objective would fail once AoE enemies show up

Using the reactor example, if the guy was killing stuff at the LZ, then yes he was not helpful at all.

You should describe exactly what the problem you have with the volus.

You're right.  Exactly.

Unfortunately, no Infiltrators.  Player 2 was an Asari Adept.  The 4-devices objective, no one was "sticking" to the defuser.  We manned closest access points to delay resistance.  Whereas Rambo just kept doing his own thing.  There are matches when things get hairy, and there are ones when things go so smoothly that it's Wave 10 and you hit the Esc key just to check if the match *is* set to Gold.  But when things do get hairy, at least be with the team, right?

[LoonySpectre]

Which of four volus kits was in this game with Drelldept, Asaridept and Bataguard (which is effectively immortal if built and played right)? It's kinda hard for me to imagine how a non-Vanguard volus is supposed follow a Vanguard around.

Modifié par LoonySpectre, 15 janvier 2013 - 07:19 .

[Kalas747]

Sure, blame the volus.  They are a conveinient scapegoat.  Next thing you are going to be telling me that they should have their own schools!

[tetsutsuru]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

VERY RARELY firing Shield Boost across the 9 Waves before we wiped (FB:Giant/Collectors/Gold), is the OPPOSITE of Team Support, specially when you ignore those DUTIES for personal kill score.  And yes, I spectated your performance when I was curb stomped by a stomp-eager Collector Captain, so I KNOW for a fact that you are a ******-poor team player.

Sorry.

do we have to do this again??

you lost gold, and blamed someone else.

now youre acting oblivious like you didnt type this stuff, its moronic.

being condescending and mocking my text doesnt change what you wrote.

And where in what you quoted is the blame SOLELY on the Volus?

Where in that quote is my being not-revived before being curb-stomped blamed on the Volus?

I seriously question your capacity to read now, let alone comprehend.

[tetsutsuru]

LoonySpectre wrote...

Which of four volus kits was in this game with Drelldept, Asaridept and Bataguard (which is effectively immortal if built and played right)? It's kinda hard for me to imagine how a non-Vanguard volus is supposed follow a Vanguard around.

Volus Engineer.

I just got done with a match a few minutes ago, and the one player was a Volus Vanguard.  While the Charge-then-roll was funny, he was pretty aggressive.  And quite good.

[Titus Thongger]

well you singled out the volus out of all your teammates. you told him to uninstall the game. you told him not to bring his saber. sounds like blaming.

[LoonySpectre]

Why take an Engineer to a game with three biotics? There's little synergy between Voleng and any of other mentioned kits, if he doesn't spam Recon Mine specced for debuff all the time.

[tetsutsuru]

Titus Thongger wrote...

well you singled out the volus out of all your teammates. you told him to uninstall the game. you told him not to bring his saber. sounds like blaming.

That's your own extrapolation.  Which is on you.

Never said he was the cause of the wipe.  Just ranting on his playstyle not being cooperative.

[tetsutsuru]

LoonySpectre wrote...

Why take an Engineer to a game with three biotics? There's little synergy between Voleng and any of other mentioned kits, if he doesn't spam Recon Mine specced for debuff all the time.

True.  However, well, he still has a gun and Powers, not much synergy, but they still help.

It was a PUG.  I don't know about the other 2 players, but who am I to tell him to change to synergize with the rest?

Modifié par tetsutsuru, 15 janvier 2013 - 07:30 .

[Kingston Atticus]

tetsutsuru wrote...

Kingston Atticus wrote...

First any character can be support of some kind. That Destroyer specced for maxxed health in fitness and all the shield bonuses in Devastor mode with the Stronghold package and cyclonic mod 4/power cell 4 equipped carrying the Ar? Great support. While he is standing in the open firing away and perhaps going toe to toe with a boss, just taking split second cover for his shields to regen is the PEFECT time for another person to flank and destroy said enemies. Thus Destroyer was support.

True.  However, the N7 Destroyer (per your example) is not indended to play a Support role whereas the Volus Engineer is, per BioWare themselves.

Kingston Atticus wrote...

Second if I am hacking a device, then get AWAY from me! I do not want or need you there drawing all the gun fire MY direction.

Now if I ask for the backup or you ask for it then fine group up at the device, but it is better if only ONE person comes to my aid so we do NOT cause the whole team to wipe. Most of the time all four at the device is what causes a failed device hack/disarm.

Two things:

1.  Kiting does not always work.

2.  Not everyone has/uses a mic.

Kingston Atticus wrote...

If you NEED to protect me at the risk of the WHOLE team what's that say for all of your skills, when I know mine are NOT awesome?

That is just my opinoin on the subject. And one more thing why do people who take the faster classes, want MY Destroyer to carry pizzas on gold? Yes I have more health and shields but it would be more effective to allow me to play support by following as your WELL-ARMED bodyguard! Now it does make sense to have me get it when I'm playing as my drellfiltrator with his movememnt speed bonus and occasional adreneline mods but NOT my (slower than a half-dead snail) Destroyer

What?  As in they actually say over the mic for the N7 Destroyer to take the pizza?  That's ridiculous.  I mean, it's great that said players actually use the mic, but to request the slowest runner to carry?  That makes no sense.

Stupid right? The infiltrators refuse to quit sniping, the vangaurds refuse to quit being rambo, and so on and so forth. I do get it when the helpful (maybe dumb?) Volus is too busy keeping the snipers alive, but still why send the slowest? Yes I have the most health and shields but I still end up having to use MOST if not all of my ops packs on 1 wave just to deliver 2 pizzas. btw, most don't even say anything they just don't move. And the ones who do mention over mic for me to get it do not ask. they DEMAND it.

ANd I am not necasarrily suggesting kiting for the device waves. I am just saying if a cloaked infi is hacking the device he doesn't need the aggro focused on him all of a sudden. And if my destroyer is hacking, yes it is nice to have support but please be at the cover a few feet away so the bullets meant for you do NOT add to the ones already slowly depleting my shields. Besides if you are a few feet away instead of up-in-my-grill then you have a better chance of getting the attention of the enemy heading my way and hopefully killing them before they do too much damage. Yes I can take 2 or 3 rockets and keep hacking but add those 2 grenades or a fourth rocket and I am now in need of a pick up. And more importantly I can NOT roll away as soon as I am done, so I need my space clear of teammates so I can run my slower than a half-dead snail butt away while I am still alive right after I am done with the hack.

I do however get where you are coming from with your topic. But just because one is created for support why force it? And just because the others are made for offense or hit and run, why must people be forced to play that way? Yes as my Volus sentinal I will try to stay near teammates and spam shield boost, and even occasionally as my Volgineer. As my Voldept I go for an in the middle role, with an offensive volus you will happily shield boost all nearby teammates, but as my Volball er I mean Volguard I rarely sheild boost temmates unless you happen to be near me. But don't worry. If I revive a person, I ALWAYS shield boost them as they get up before I cloak and run away.

[Persona RED]

Pyth the Bull wrote...

I'm pretty sure this qualifies as "u mad?"

[LemurFromTheId]

tetsutsuru,

you seem to have this idea that Volus are meant to be played as so-called "support characters" or even that supporting others is Volus' duty. You are mistaken.

People were asking for support characters and Bioware responded to that by creating Volus and giving them the capability to be played as support characters. However - and this is the crux -  just because they have that capability that doesn't mean it's the only way or the right way to play those characters. Volus also have the capability to be effective offensive powerhouses on their own right. As it is with any other kit, there are many correct ways to play a Volus. You may feel your way is the only way, but don't expect others to share your sentiment.

Besides, the best way to support the team is be effective at killing stuff. That's how any kit can be a support kit. There's even a term for it: fire support.

[Thoraxe41]

So using my Jav X and Typhoon 9 on my Volus adept is playing it wrong then?

Volus is not a pure support character. He has plenty of advantages of being a Gun Wielding Ball of badasseness. Volus don't take cover, so they can run by cover without getting stuck. And with their size, put a Jav on him with Piercing mods and Phasic ammo, and he can one shot most units behind cover/walls without even being shot at.

Yes, there are always those weak PUG players you met, whos skill is lacking. But just because I see a TGI using a weapon thats not a harrier and sucking the entire game, doesn't make me complain. It happens.