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[Ziegrif]

Oh no!
I was outscored by a dood with a GI Piranha!
When I only took a predator in the match!
Woe is me!
I must now commit sudoku!

[progste2]

Feneckus wrote...

Actually the most important thing is Score x Headshots / (Time x (Rockets used+1))

interesting

[Blitzkrieg_33]

Ziegrif wrote...

Oh no!
I was outscored by a dood with a GI Piranha!
When I only took a predator in the match!
Woe is me!
I must now commit sudoku!

It took me a minute to realize what you typed. 10/10

[vware]

Ever played volus?

[Frosty10001]

I think score is important.
For EXP.

[brazen_nl]

Deerber wrote...

But you should not judge someone by seeing their score and assuming that they milked objectives and didn't help (not saying you do, just... Precaution, you know).
If I can take myself as an example, I top the score of roughly 99.5% of the PUGs I do, and usually by 100k or so. Does that mean I milk objectives? Definitely not.

Was about to say ...

A while ago I made a thread to ask people to group up with me and help show how it's done. Move from Bronze upwards, so to speak. More often than not, while I scored 50-80K, the BSNer inviting me to play with them scored over 200K, while teaching me how to do devices safely, how to escort the drone safely, where to position, etc.

Whatever the OP has to say about score, it does definitely not mean they're not a team player.

Modifié par brazen_nl, 15 janvier 2013 - 12:33 .

[BridgeBurner]

Ziegrif wrote...

Oh no!
I was outscored by a dood with a GI Piranha!
When I only took a predator in the match!
Woe is me!
I must now commit sudoku!

I would quit this game in shame if I couldn't manage to outscore a pug GI with piranha. My volus vanguard is better than any GI piranha n00b.

[Feneckus]

Annomander wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Actually the most important thing is Score x Headshots / (Time x (Rockets used+1))

You forgot to multiply it all by claymore.

I can't count that high

[BridgeBurner]

Feneckus wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Actually the most important thing is Score x Headshots / (Time x (Rockets used+1))

You forgot to multiply it all by claymore.

I can't count that high

Nobody can...

[121210Olivia]

Deerber wrote...

Quite often, to me, means more than 50% of the times at least. If you see that more than 50% of the times then I'm sorry, I feel your pain. I see someone deliberately not helping on objective wave let's say... Once in 50 pugs I do. That one gets my kick vote as soon as the match ends, and if he doesn't get kicked I leave the lobby.

But you should not judge someone by seeing their score and assuming that they milked objectives and didn't help (not saying you do, just... Precaution, you know).
If I can take myself as an example, I top the score of roughly 99.5% of the PUGs I do, and usually by 100k or so. Does that mean I milk objectives? Definitely not.
Actually, I make a point of only killing things during objective waves if that particular thing is hindering our chance to do the objective. Otherwise, I just run/kite/take aggro/dodge/take cover until the objective is over.

So... In my experience, the one who scores roughly like his teammates combined is usually the best player in that team, by a long shot. Not the worst 

I don't recall you topping the scoreboard when you played with me. If I remember correctly, it was almost always myself or Weedo before you (and you know, I don't intentionally play to "top the table").

The second highlighted point:

Does this mean you don't participate (i.e., do the REAL work) in objectives? Because if so, then that simply isn't showing skill, on the contrary, it simply shows score-hogging selfishness.

One example of real skill, imo, is being able (with a vanilla character, such as the AA with no points in fitness--500 H/S) pizza carry from one end of a map to the other--while gun-ho idiots are busy taking advantage of the endless spawns AND not *covering or clearing a route as they should be*.

A further example: rescuing / rezzing newer players who have gotten themselves pinned down and cornered (which usually means spending time running: not shooting).

So yes, while scoreboards can help in indicating a players skill--it's the actual in-game experience (e.g. was it smooth, was it fun for all, how much medi-gel did you use, or how many missiles did you need etc.) that really is the better indicator, imo.

[121210Olivia]

Ziegrif wrote...

Oh no!
I was outscored by a dood with a GI Piranha!
When I only took a predator in the match!
Woe is me!
I must now commit sudoku!

And the act of committing sudoku has to be done in a public place, with a placard around your neck.

[Blitzkrieg_33]

121210Olivia wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Quite often, to me, means more than 50% of the times at least. If you see that more than 50% of the times then I'm sorry, I feel your pain. I see someone deliberately not helping on objective wave let's say... Once in 50 pugs I do. That one gets my kick vote as soon as the match ends, and if he doesn't get kicked I leave the lobby.

But you should not judge someone by seeing their score and assuming that they milked objectives and didn't help (not saying you do, just... Precaution, you know).
If I can take myself as an example, I top the score of roughly 99.5% of the PUGs I do, and usually by 100k or so. Does that mean I milk objectives? Definitely not.
Actually, I make a point of only killing things during objective waves if that particular thing is hindering our chance to do the objective. Otherwise, I just run/kite/take aggro/dodge/take cover until the objective is over.

So... In my experience, the one who scores roughly like his teammates combined is usually the best player in that team, by a long shot. Not the worst 

I don't recall you topping the scoreboard when you played with me. If I remember correctly, it was almost always myself or Weedo before you (and you know, I don't intentionally play to "top the table").

The second highlighted point:

Does this mean you don't participate (i.e., do the REAL work) in objectives? Because if so, then that simply isn't showing skill, on the contrary, it simply shows score-hogging selfishness.

One example of real skill, imo, is being able (with a vanilla character, such as the AA with no points in fitness--500 H/S) pizza carry from one end of a map to the other--while gun-ho idiots are busy taking advantage of the endless spawns AND not *covering or clearing a route as they should be*.

A further example: rescuing / rezzing newer players who have gotten themselves pinned down and cornered (which usually means spending time running: not shooting).

So yes, while scoreboards can help in indicating a players skill--it's the actual in-game experience (e.g. was it smooth, was it fun for all, how much medi-gel did you use, or how many missiles did you need etc.) that really is the better indicator, imo.

Not to jump into your conversation but he clearly states:

I make a point of only killing things during objective waves if
that particular thing is hindering our chance to do the objective.
Otherwise, I just run/kite/take aggro/dodge/take cover until the
objective is over.

[Oggy666]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Score determines my worth as a human being. If I don't top the scoreboard at the end of a match, I do several things:

Firstly, I immediately ragequit the game.
Secondly, I take time to sit down and think about what direction my life is going, how I can improve my score, and why I got outscored
Finally, if I was severely outscored, I contact my therapist for some counselling and talk to family and friends to try to recover from the trauma.

Admit it, we are all doing this (except my therapist doesn't talk to me anymore, Idk why).

[121210Olivia]

Blitzkrieg_33 wrote...

121210Olivia wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Quite often, to me, means more than 50% of the times at least. If you see that more than 50% of the times then I'm sorry, I feel your pain. I see someone deliberately not helping on objective wave let's say... Once in 50 pugs I do. That one gets my kick vote as soon as the match ends, and if he doesn't get kicked I leave the lobby.

But you should not judge someone by seeing their score and assuming that they milked objectives and didn't help (not saying you do, just... Precaution, you know).
If I can take myself as an example, I top the score of roughly 99.5% of the PUGs I do, and usually by 100k or so. Does that mean I milk objectives? Definitely not.
Actually, I make a point of only killing things during objective waves if that particular thing is hindering our chance to do the objective. Otherwise, I just run/kite/take aggro/dodge/take cover until the objective is over.

So... In my experience, the one who scores roughly like his teammates combined is usually the best player in that team, by a long shot. Not the worst 

I don't recall you topping the scoreboard when you played with me. If I remember correctly, it was almost always myself or Weedo before you (and you know, I don't intentionally play to "top the table").

The second highlighted point:

Does this mean you don't participate (i.e., do the REAL work) in objectives? Because if so, then that simply isn't showing skill, on the contrary, it simply shows score-hogging selfishness.

One example of real skill, imo, is being able (with a vanilla character, such as the AA with no points in fitness--500 H/S) pizza carry from one end of a map to the other--while gun-ho idiots are busy taking advantage of the endless spawns AND not *covering or clearing a route as they should be*.

A further example: rescuing / rezzing newer players who have gotten themselves pinned down and cornered (which usually means spending time running: not shooting).

So yes, while scoreboards can help in indicating a players skill--it's the actual in-game experience (e.g. was it smooth, was it fun for all, how much medi-gel did you use, or how many missiles did you need etc.) that really is the better indicator, imo.

Not to jump into your conversation but he clearly states:

I make a point of only killing things during objective waves if
that particular thing is hindering our chance to do the objective.
Otherwise, I just run/kite/take aggro/dodge/take cover until the
objective is over.

That's why I prefaced my question with if.

[hostaman]

Sounds like a limp excuse to stir up a phoney argument.

If score really was the only factor that counted, no players would do the objectives, and every game would fail on wave 3 or 4.


Exhibit (a)

I played a Silver match the other night with a bunch of rambo noobs.  (I actually get some kind of masochistic pleasure from playing with newbies).

I did all the objectives on my own, except for the circle hack, where one player helped.

I finished second by a whisker.  But I consider myself to have been the better player in the match.

Exhibit (

Gold/Rio/Cerberus

I'm not a big fan of Rio, but I'll try anything.  I was doing ok, but a guy playing as a GI was going down on every wave.
So?  I kept reviving him.  I think I must have revived the same guy around 8 times (and he revived me once).

When we finished, the GI came top, and I came third.  Without me, the GI would have bled-out.  (At least I got a revive medal )


I like to score well, and I aim to come top.  But I also play the "game".  Maybe it's time for the OP to discover the "real" game.

[jaylovesash]

lol some people make me laugh "im top of the board 95% of the time" ... really?

IT DOESNT MATTER IF YOURE TOP OF THE BOARD lol

Modifié par jaylovesash, 15 janvier 2013 - 01:20 .

[BridgeBurner]

jaylovesash wrote...

lol some people make me laugh "im top of the board 95% of the time" ... really?

IT DOESNT MATTER IF YOURE TOP OF THE BOARD lol

My volus ePeen is bigger than yours. Your argument is invalid.

Modifié par Annomander, 15 janvier 2013 - 01:21 .

[xandax86]

Its just a videogame, its really not that important.

[jaylovesash]

hostaman wrote...

Sounds like a limp excuse to stir up a phoney argument.

If score really was the only factor that counted, no players would do the objectives, and every game would fail on wave 3 or 4.


Exhibit (a)

I played a Silver match the other night with a bunch of rambo noobs.  (I actually get some kind of masochistic pleasure from playing with newbies).

I did all the objectives on my own, except for the circle hack, where one player helped.

I finished second by a whisker.  But I consider myself to have been the better player in the match.

Exhibit (

Gold/Rio/Cerberus

I'm not a big fan of Rio, but I'll try anything.  I was doing ok, but a guy playing as a GI was going down on every wave.
So?  I kept reviving him.  I think I must have revived the same guy around 8 times (and he revived me once).

When we finished, the GI came top, and I came third.  Without me, the GI would have bled-out.  (At least I got a revive medal )


I like to score well, and I aim to come top.  But I also play the "game".  Maybe it's time for the OP to discover the "real" game.

exactly!. being top of the scoreboard doesnt mean youre a better player. also i play ME while eating my dinner lol so my score tends to drop abit then lol

[HolyAvenger]

Annomander wrote...

My volus ePeen is bigger than yours. Your argument is invalid.

[Deerber]

121210Olivia wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Quite often, to me, means more than 50% of the times at least. If you see that more than 50% of the times then I'm sorry, I feel your pain. I see someone deliberately not helping on objective wave let's say... Once in 50 pugs I do. That one gets my kick vote as soon as the match ends, and if he doesn't get kicked I leave the lobby.

But you should not judge someone by seeing their score and assuming that they milked objectives and didn't help (not saying you do, just... Precaution, you know).
If I can take myself as an example, I top the score of roughly 99.5% of the PUGs I do, and usually by 100k or so. Does that mean I milk objectives? Definitely not.
Actually, I make a point of only killing things during objective waves if that particular thing is hindering our chance to do the objective. Otherwise, I just run/kite/take aggro/dodge/take cover until the objective is over.

So... In my experience, the one who scores roughly like his teammates combined is usually the best player in that team, by a long shot. Not the worst 

I don't recall you topping the scoreboard when you played with me. If I remember correctly, it was almost always myself or Weedo before you (and you know, I don't intentionally play to "top the table").

The second highlighted point:

Does this mean you don't participate (i.e., do the REAL work) in objectives? Because if so, then that simply isn't showing skill, on the contrary, it simply shows score-hogging selfishness.

One example of real skill, imo, is being able (with a vanilla character, such as the AA with no points in fitness--500 H/S) pizza carry from one end of a map to the other--while gun-ho idiots are busy taking advantage of the endless spawns AND not *covering or clearing a route as they should be*.

A further example: rescuing / rezzing newer players who have gotten themselves pinned down and cornered (which usually means spending time running: not shooting).

So yes, while scoreboards can help in indicating a players skill--it's the actual in-game experience (e.g. was it smooth, was it fun for all, how much medi-gel did you use, or how many missiles did you need etc.) that really is the better indicator, imo.

Hehe, my old friend! :happy:

Yes, of course I didn't usually top the scoreboard when I played with you. But then, that was... How long? Three months ago? Four? I feel I have learned a lot about this game in this time.

And besides, it's not that playing with you and Weeedo was pugging. We were a solid team of good players, it's something different from pugging. Pugging = searching for a quick game, in my eyes.

And no, obviously I do whatever I can to get the objective done as fast as possible. You should know, that, by the way  I don't know what gave you this idea about that statement, I just meant to say that I do not kill things unless it's necessary during objective waves. Why? Cause they might respawn in a worse position.

Example: we're carrying the pizza and this brute is following the pizza carrier, so it's not between him and the drop-off point. It's also still quite far. Usually people just shoot it down without thinking. And that sometimes leads to the brute instantly respawning between the carrier and the drop-off. Not very smart... Better to keep it alive.

Same goes with lots of other situations.

Bottom line: if it hinders our ability to do the objective, I kill it as fast as I can. If it doesn't... Then I'll let him live. For a while, at least :happy:

Edit: note that I'm not arguing in favor of the OP, saying that the score is the most important thing. I already addressed that in a post. It depends on what you mean.

I was just trying to say that the contrary is quite silly. Saying, as a guy here did, that the guy who tops the score is usually the worse player is just wrong.

Modifié par Deerber, 15 janvier 2013 - 01:34 .

[jaylovesash]

Annomander wrote...

jaylovesash wrote...

lol some people make me laugh "im top of the board 95% of the time" ... really?

IT DOESNT MATTER IF YOURE TOP OF THE BOARD lol

My volus ePeen is bigger than yours. Your argument is invalid.

i find people that talk smack usually cant back it up.... interesting

[Olivia Wilde]

theillusiveman11 wrote...

That female Quarian Infiltrator stole my credit chit.

Gave herself a three-finger discount,eh.....

[fayk_id]

hostaman wrote...

Gold/Rio/Cerberus

I'm not a big fan of Rio, but I'll try anything.  I was doing ok, but a guy playing as a GI was going down on every wave.
So?  I kept reviving him.  I think I must have revived the same guy around 8 times (and he revived me once).

When we finished, the GI came top, and I came third.  Without me, the GI would have bled-out.  (At least I got a revive medal )

+1

happens to mee, too.

action thirsty CQC style players score the most points and very often die too. you get them out of trouble and make your team win. i mean, this is the goal, right?

another example - when a wave starts, i sometimes focus on ravagers/rocket troopers/engineers etc., missing out on the opportunity to get higher score by going after the other variety

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

Deerber wrote...

Edit: note that I'm not arguing in favor of the OP, saying that the score is the most important thing. I already addressed that in a post. It depends on what you mean.

I was just trying to say that the contrary is quite silly. Saying, as a guy here did, that the guy who tops the score is usually the worse player is just wrong.

You need to go back and read what I wrote with a clear head.  I did not say "usually," I said "often" players who top the score are poor players because they are playing only with the idea of increasing their score and acting detrimentally to the squad.  If you need to understand the difference betwen the words "usually" and "often" I suggest you consult a dictionary. 

I also stated not all classes are equally powerful.  There are other points I could make in regard to score as well.

Modifié par Grumpy Old Wizard, 15 janvier 2013 - 02:03 .