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[121210Olivia]

Deerber wrote...

121210Olivia wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Quite often, to me, means more than 50% of the times at least. If you see that more than 50% of the times then I'm sorry, I feel your pain. I see someone deliberately not helping on objective wave let's say... Once in 50 pugs I do. That one gets my kick vote as soon as the match ends, and if he doesn't get kicked I leave the lobby.

But you should not judge someone by seeing their score and assuming that they milked objectives and didn't help (not saying you do, just... Precaution, you know).
If I can take myself as an example, I top the score of roughly 99.5% of the PUGs I do, and usually by 100k or so. Does that mean I milk objectives? Definitely not.
Actually, I make a point of only killing things during objective waves if that particular thing is hindering our chance to do the objective. Otherwise, I just run/kite/take aggro/dodge/take cover until the objective is over.

So... In my experience, the one who scores roughly like his teammates combined is usually the best player in that team, by a long shot. Not the worst 

I don't recall you topping the scoreboard when you played with me. If I remember correctly, it was almost always myself or Weedo before you (and you know, I don't intentionally play to "top the table").

The second highlighted point:

Does this mean you don't participate (i.e., do the REAL work) in objectives? Because if so, then that simply isn't showing skill, on the contrary, it simply shows score-hogging selfishness.

One example of real skill, imo, is being able (with a vanilla character, such as the AA with no points in fitness--500 H/S) pizza carry from one end of a map to the other--while gun-ho idiots are busy taking advantage of the endless spawns AND not *covering or clearing a route as they should be*.

A further example: rescuing / rezzing newer players who have gotten themselves pinned down and cornered (which usually means spending time running: not shooting).

So yes, while scoreboards can help in indicating a players skill--it's the actual in-game experience (e.g. was it smooth, was it fun for all, how much medi-gel did you use, or how many missiles did you need etc.) that really is the better indicator, imo.

Hehe, my old friend! :happy:

Yes, of course I didn't usually top the scoreboard when I played with you. But then, that was... How long? Three months ago? Four? I feel I have learned a lot about this game in this time.

And besides, it's not that playing with you and Weeedo was pugging. We were a solid team of good players, it's something different from pugging. Pugging = searching for a quick game, in my eyes.

And no, obviously I do whatever I can to get the objective done as fast as possible. You should know, that, by the way  I don't know what gave you this idea about that statement, I just meant to say that I do not kill things unless it's necessary during objective waves. Why? Cause they might respawn in a worse position.

Example: we're carrying the pizza and this brute is following the pizza carrier, so it's not between him and the drop-off point. It's also still quite far. Usually people just shoot it down without thinking. And that sometimes leads to the brute instantly respawning between the carrier and the drop-off. Not very smart... Better to keep it alive.

Same goes with lots of other situations.

Bottom line: if it hinders our ability to do the objective, I kill it as fast as I can. If it doesn't... Then I'll let him live. For a while, at least :happy:

Edit: note that I'm not arguing in favor of the OP, saying that the score is the most important thing. I already addressed that in a post. It depends on what you mean.

I was just trying to say that the contrary is quite silly. Saying, as a guy here did, that the guy who tops the score is usually the worse player is just wrong.

You still cool .

We should play again soon!

[clopy22]

kaileena_sands wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

That female Quarian Infiltrator stole my credit chit.

You humans are all racist! 


And to OP:

Hahahaha . Bullseye for this post.

[SoulGuard03]

I must be playing wrong. I haven't placed tops in weeks. I spend too much time defending the team flank - preventing flank spawns - and doing objectives.

But meh... I'm having too much fun.. I only care if we finish with a full extraction.
Now, if we don't get a full extraction cause someone decided to stay behind and get a few more headshots, costing the team some credits... hhhssssskk... heads will roll.

[iHecko]

Annomander wrote...

I would quit this game in shame if I couldn't manage to outscore a pug GI with piranha. My volus vanguard is better than any GI piranha n00b.

Ok wait. If i use a geth incursor with a piranha i'm a noob.
If you use a volus then you are more skilled than me ??

Wait wait, were you sarcastic ?? i need this information so i'll know if you are retarded or you are just stupid and I have to insult you or not.

[metaempiricist]

Original Stikman wrote...

Yes, I have said it. Its about time people just accept that score is the most important factor in determining player skill.

The biggest argument anyone can ever provide as to why score is "meaningless" is because "this game is a co-op"

Let me tell you right now. Its not.

I have never, ever, seen PUGs or friends attempt to make this "co-op" based game actually cooperative.

Here are the "co-op" tactics people use (in no particular order):
1) Camp
- FBWGG, and RioReapersPlatinum. This is about as cooperative as it gets, and its a complete load of pathetic mediocrity. Its neither effective or efficient. Its just a bunch of scared players huddling together in a corner praying that nobody will get stabbed....

But oh, will they get stabbed.

2) "Staying close"
Is this a real tactical strategy? No. Its a "strategy" with a very basic concept: "if we stick together, we have a better chance of living." Doesn't mean **** when a bunch of enemies splits your team up. Then you are just forced to find somewhere else to "stick together." Pretty much, its a "better version" of camping.

AND.....

3) Synchronizing Powers.
This is hilarious. Most of the time when people do this, they pick one or two powers that sync up well, and just spam the crap out of it (ex. Overload and Snap Freeze). This is just silly, as it hardly translates to a strategy outside of "dewd, keep hittin em wit dat snap freeze." This tactic is even better than 1 & 2, because it combines both elements together, but still lacks efficieny the higher the difficulty goes.
And don't get me started on biotics. Most people will just spam their Biotics, and then someone will get greedy and start only using Detonating powers because they want points. Then, all you get is a bunch of Throws hitting an armored atlas... this is hilarious.


The most cooperative gameplay I have seen is strategies used by speedrunners. Its coordinated with each player playing a specific role, standing in a specific spot, moving toward specific areas, and using specific equipment on specific waves. Not only that, but if something "jolts" the strategy, there are back up strategies to compensate. This is Co-Op. Not some BS vague idea of ?working together" until some moron gets greedy

Get it together people. If you want to determine whether or not you are decent at the game, watch the score. If you regularly score 60-90k more than the PUGs in your Gold games... you are probably alright. If you are getting outscored each and every game by that same amount, you are probably not that great.

tl;dr

Face scores with the truth: You are your score

Oh yeah I know this is true because I run nothing but a paladin on geth with my friends as engies or ghosts:O and when I look at the scores at the end i see the geth engi AND BOTH turian ghosts are waaaaay behind me in score...because I'm the best and score is everything right?

Modifié par metaempiricist, 15 janvier 2013 - 02:27 .

[Deerber]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Edit: note that I'm not arguing in favor of the OP, saying that the score is the most important thing. I already addressed that in a post. It depends on what you mean.

I was just trying to say that the contrary is quite silly. Saying, as a guy here did, that the guy who tops the score is usually the worse player is just wrong.

You need to go back and read what I wrote with a clear head.  I did not say "usually," I said "often" players who top the score are poor players because they are playing only with the idea of increasing their score and acting detrimentally to the squad.  If you need to understand the difference betwen the words "usually" and "often" I suggest you consult a dictionary. 

I also stated not all classes are equally powerful.  There are other points I could make in regard to score as well.

Yeah you're right, I'm sorry. I was trying to explain to Oli why I wrote that post, and I hurried it up and explained it wrong.

If you go back to my original answer, you'll find something which is more respectful of what you wrote, I feel 

121210Olivia wrote...

You still cool [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie].

We should play again soon!

Sure, I'd love to! 

Sadly, I'm not playing that much lately, but I'll try to hit you up if I am and I see you online, ok? :happy:

[IoeShepard]

Aetika wrote...

HAHAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHA...........ha

Solid.

[MoosenLoosen]

The most important thing in a game for me personally is having fun with my friends, competitively and co-operatively, in a way that is isolated enough to prevent myself from having an embarrassing anxiety attack.

Some people score high regardless of whether they're trying or not. Some people don't and are more average or unpracticed in their abilities.

I think that if you want to score high, you should go ahead, but you shouldn't patronise others or be condescending simply for the fact that they don't submit themselves to the same standards that you apply to yourself.

If you only want to play with people who have the same standards as you, then I don't suggest you play with PUGs.
There is obviously far more diversity than you can handle to be found in games containing random players.

[GallowsPole]

I remember when we used to talk about all the girls we nailed when I was younger. Id be embarrassed even mentioning how great I was at a video game let alone posting a video or screenshot of my accomplishments. Instead I get to read about them and chuckle.

[jaylovesash]

MoosenLoosen wrote...

The most important thing in a game for me personally is having fun with my friends, competitively and co-operatively, in a way that is isolated enough to prevent myself from having an embarrassing anxiety attack.

Some people score high regardless of whether they're trying or not. Some people don't and are more average or unpracticed in their abilities.

I think that if you want to score high, you should go ahead, but you shouldn't patronise others or be condescending simply for the fact that they don't submit themselves to the same standards that you apply to yourself.

If you only want to play with people who have the same standards as you, then I don't suggest you play with PUGs.
There is obviously far more diversity than you can handle to be found in games containing random players.

well said

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

GallowsPole wrote...

I remember when we used to talk about all the girls we nailed when I was younger. Id be embarrassed even mentioning how great I was at a video game let alone posting a video or screenshot of my accomplishments. Instead I get to read about them and chuckle.

I do both.

[GallowsPole]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

I remember when we used to talk about all the girls we nailed when I was younger. Id be embarrassed even mentioning how great I was at a video game let alone posting a video or screenshot of my accomplishments. Instead I get to read about them and chuckle.

I do both.

Id say you were an enigma anyways.

[Deerber]

GallowsPole wrote...

I remember when we used to talk about all the girls we nailed when I was younger. Id be embarrassed even mentioning how great I was at a video game let alone posting a video or screenshot of my accomplishments. Instead I get to read about them and chuckle.

Hehe, one of the post with most sense around here, I'd say.

For that same reason, we are all embarasses of mentioning how many girls we nailed, here on bsn 

[Mahrac]

Times I could have a low score... I joined the game late, lag, kit I'm not good with, having an off day, watching the flank, ect.

And ignoring those, the farthest score goes towards showing skill is only giving a rough idea of your ability with the kit you used vs a rough idea of your team's ability with the kits they used due to a slightly screwy points system.

[phantonn]

I don't realy care if i make 150k, 10k, 200k, 90k 500k, etc.
I only care for the credits.

So:
Score

Credits

[ISHYGDDT]

Deerber wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

I remember when we used to talk about all the girls we nailed when I was younger. Id be embarrassed even mentioning how great I was at a video game let alone posting a video or screenshot of my accomplishments. Instead I get to read about them and chuckle.

Hehe, one of the post with most sense around here, I'd say.

For that same reason, we are all embarasses of mentioning how many girls we nailed, here on bsn 

1+exp(pi*i)

[Beerfish]

In many cases the op is correct as far as score being a good indicator of skill however there are a lot of exceptions to the case. You certainly can't isolate it to a few games and a few scores.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

 According to your original post, I am both the worst player ever, and the best player ever.

Screw  you, buddy! Don't make fun of me because I suck!

And, thanks! I've been working hard at developing my skill, it's nice of you to notice. 

<_<

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Ziegrif wrote...

Oh no!
I was outscored by a dood with a GI Piranha!
When I only took a predator in the match!
Woe is me!
I must now commit sudoku!

O gawd!

[Deerber]

ISHYGDDT wrote...

Deerber wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

I remember when we used to talk about all the girls we nailed when I was younger. Id be embarrassed even mentioning how great I was at a video game let alone posting a video or screenshot of my accomplishments. Instead I get to read about them and chuckle.

Hehe, one of the post with most sense around here, I'd say.

For that same reason, we are all embarasses of mentioning how many girls we nailed, here on bsn 

1+exp(pi*i)

Lol.

21 mod 7 here 

[CrimsonN7]

Pfft you're all wrong dem credits is the most important thing, sweet sweet legal tender!

[SilentStep79]

Deerber wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

I remember when we used to talk about all the girls we nailed when I was younger. Id be embarrassed even mentioning how great I was at a video game let alone posting a video or screenshot of my accomplishments. Instead I get to read about them and chuckle.

Hehe, one of the post with most sense around here, I'd say.

For that same reason, we are all embarasses of mentioning how many girls we nailed, here on bsn 

speak for yourself...

[Swan Killer]

I can't believe this thread is already going. I though most of y'all went to see a counsel or a theraoust, because you suck. I just got back from mine, she said burn the dvd and seek help from an asian.
(I'm not sure is she meant acupuncture for stress, or a massage parlor...)

Modifié par tivesz, 15 janvier 2013 - 03:51 .

[Das Rouse]

tivesz wrote...

I can't believe this thread is already going. I though most of y'all went to see a counsel or a theraoust, because you suck. I just got back from mine, she said burn the dvd and seek help from an asian.
(I'm not sure is she meant acupuncture for stress, or a massage parlor...)

5 dollah make you hollah!

[Deerber]

silentstep79 wrote...

Deerber wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

I remember when we used to talk about all the girls we nailed when I was younger. Id be embarrassed even mentioning how great I was at a video game let alone posting a video or screenshot of my accomplishments. Instead I get to read about them and chuckle.

Hehe, one of the post with most sense around here, I'd say.

For that same reason, we are all embarasses of mentioning how many girls we nailed, here on bsn 

speak for yourself...

... That was a joke