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[upinya slayin]

Grinch57 wrote...

Upinya, I have to go with most others on this one. You can always make a weekend challenge tough for yourself, personally, by setting your own restrictions.

What you are suggesting would lock out the majority of folks who play the game. So it becomes an epeen thing to have done the challenge.

BSN is not representative of the ME3 MP player pool. There are far more folks here that play gold or platinum on a regular basis than the ME3 population at large.

Plus ... all the whining and ridicule heaped on pugs after a challenge like that. Folks trying to complete one that is beyond their skill level.

How many times have we read threads on weekend challenges where all the BSN superheroes ****** about having to solo the challenge because pugs are so bad? The same challenges most players complete just fine, in pugs. A lot of glass cannons on BSN. Can solo platinum or speed run it with friends, but cry and cry about horrible pugs that don't belong on gold.

You've conquered the game, you're bored with it at this point. I get that. But the game does not revolve around folks in your situation. The challenges should not either.

well as i stated before, its not about me personally. check my N7 HQ. i didn't do teh first 3 events. Becuase i was put putting on bronze trying to get good enough to work my way to gold someday. And being i'm an adult i was ok with not getting a reward that others got for being better then me. Better players hsould get rewarded. Its the reason people missile glitch, they do it to get things they aren't good enough to earn themselves becuase they are lazy. Gamers like taht ruin the game

The idea of a challenge system is to reward people who have skill and who havetaken the time and enjoyment of getting good at somehting. Its like saying I should be allowed to play in the NFL becuase i love football. The truth is i'm not good enough to ever be in the NFL. and i'm ok with it. Not eveyrone is good enough to do eveyrhting they ever want to. and people shouldn't complain if life isn't fit to them. It used to be a challenge, now its just a gimme

[upinya slayin]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Grinch57 wrote...

Upinya, I have to go with most others on this one. You can always make a weekend challenge tough for yourself, personally, by setting your own restrictions.

What you are suggesting would lock out the majority of folks who play the game. So it becomes an epeen thing to have done the challenge.

BSN is not representative of the ME3 MP player pool. There are far more folks here that play gold or platinum on a regular basis than the ME3 population at large.

Plus ... all the whining and ridicule heaped on pugs after a challenge like that. Folks trying to complete one that is beyond their skill level.

How many times have we read threads on weekend challenges where all the BSN superheroes ****** about having to solo the challenge because pugs are so bad? The same challenges most players complete just fine, in pugs. A lot of glass cannons on BSN. Can solo platinum or speed run it with friends, but cry and cry about horrible pugs that don't belong on gold.

You've conquered the game, you're bored with it at this point. I get that. But the game does not revolve around folks in your situation. The challenges should not either.

I get all of that. And where you're coming from.

After all, I was one of those PuGs, and I had to be carried twice to get my weekend ops both times.

Still, I preferred that overall. I wanted it to be hard to do. From what I remember, I had to try at least three times both ops that required it.

But I learned how to contribute to a team without necessarily getting a lot of kill points, and it was a much more rewarding experience.

The newer style of challenge is certainly better for levelling the playing field, which I'm sure newer players would appreciate.

Maybe there could be 2-tier challenges (similar to the individual and community goals) where accomplishment A gets you a basic Commendation pack, while accomplishment B gets you one with 5 items instead of 3. (But still only 1 Promo weapon).

Maybe it could have a guaranteed uncommon gear item (2 birds, 1 stone!).

exactly. I used to feel like i was rewarded for doing something good. Now i feel like its a small grind for an easy reward. I don't want to pas up the upgrade or force myself into an unnecessary challenge to do so. I've gimped myself many times for the fun of the challenge (like the volus melee game) cause it made me try. How can anybody feel "rewaded" for ebing these simple gimmes

[HolyAvenger]

RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

I think weekend challenges should be doable by all players, including the new ones.

Want to make it difficult for yourself, then do so. I've done the last few as gold duos with a friend to up the difficulty level a little.

Because the commendation pack weapon damage points was doable by new players. yeah. .Thats been the only one though thank goodness.

 

Well exactly. There were more than a few complaints after that challenge and the krogan melee kills one from people who couldn't do them, and BioWare devs specifically commented afterwards they wouldn't have such restrictive challenges.

[upinya slayin]

HolyAvenger wrote...

RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

I think weekend challenges should be doable by all players, including the new ones.

Want to make it difficult for yourself, then do so. I've done the last few as gold duos with a friend to up the difficulty level a little.

Because the commendation pack weapon damage points was doable by new players. yeah. .Thats been the only one though thank goodness.

 

Well exactly. There were more than a few complaints after that challenge and the krogan melee kills one from people who couldn't do them, and BioWare devs specifically commented afterwards they wouldn't have such restrictive challenges.

why do gamers complain about a challenge being challenging. People should get rewards for loyalty. for instance in assasins creed. Ubisoft gave exclusive MP skins to those who have played brother hood and revalations as a loyalty bonus. I haven't played once since the 1st, but i'm not gonna complain. Those people deserve it for being loyal fans for the whole series. Gamers whine cause they want the same thing eveyrone has, but sometimes they just don't deserve it and they need to grow up and be ok with it

[Thrasher91604]

I think the challenges should actually push players outside of their comfort zone to play differently. For example, challenges that specify kills using melee, or techo combos, or pistols or ...

[OuterRim]

The challenges are more about rewarding loyal gamers - those of us who play often. They are not meant to be extremely difficult, but there are no rules saying that you can't make them more difficult on your own.

For example: Next time we get a challenge, extract using x kit, then modify it on your own and extract using that kit on gold using only melee. You have just made the challenge that much more difficult. Enjoy.

[xtorma]

upinya slayin wrote...

Julian Skies wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Does anyone want one that isn't insanely easy? How about extract on gold using only common weapons and getting at least a 25 kill medal with that weapon? Its not ahrd to make me extrac with a human infiltrator and a claymore on gold like last weekend

As long as you can make it so the average Bronze player can complete the operation, you can have any operation you want ma'am

I disagree with that, respectfully of course. I don't want this thread turning into a flame war. as i stated before and my manifest shows Back when i wasn't gold ready i didn't do a challenge for extracting on gold. I dind't care of complain becuase it was a challenge that i wasn't good enough to do and therefor shouldn't get rewarded

The problem with gamers is they want eveyrthing for nothing. Its a challenge that nets a reward. you should have to be able to complete a challenge. at this point they aren't challenges. they are minor things anyone can do and everyone gets a weapon. it shold be a challenge and reward system, not a free weapon for eveyrone system

So why should it be this way for everyone when you can easily set these challenges for yourself? People who are not as proficient as you and your friends already aquire weapons and gear at a much slower rate.

[brad2240]

HolyAvenger wrote...

I think weekend challenges should be doable by all players, including the new ones.

Want to make it difficult for yourself, then do so.

This.

Challenges have to be accessible to all, from people who've played since launch right down to the guy that started yesterday. Make exclusions and all you do us shrink the community.

The vast majority of games are not aimed at the highly skilled elite, they are for the average gamer. The smart games give you multiple difficulty choice so you can customize it to your approximate skill level.

Use it.

[upinya slayin]

OuterRim wrote...

The challenges are more about rewarding loyal gamers - those of us who play often. They are not meant to be extremely difficult, but there are no rules saying that you can't make them more difficult on your own.

For example: Next time we get a challenge, extract using x kit, then modify it on your own and extract using that kit on gold using only melee. You have just made the challenge that much more difficult. Enjoy.

They could do a tier system like ubisoft does (although the rewards from the ubisoft events suck for AC3)
either way they do a tier for instance

Participation: complete 1 game during the event (somehting eveyrone can do)
Personal goal: Get 5 incognito kills (somehting that takes some skill but isn't too hard. )
Community goal: Get 10k incognito kills

this way you get 1 reward for participating, 1 for a personal challenge and 1 for the cumminty.
The particpation can net you a victory pack with a guarneteed rare wepaon which would help the noobs just for trying
the community can be a JEP which again would give the noobs equipment just for trying
the personal goal will net an N7 weapon but actual takes some skill to get.

I wouldn't want them to alienate people but n00bs have it easier now then we did. and i'm ok with that, i just wish I felt like i was rewarded for doing somehting instead of breezing thourgh liek eveyrone else

[Grinch57]

upinya slayin wrote...

Grinch57 wrote...

Upinya, 
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You've conquered the game, you're bored with it at this point. I get that. But the game does not revolve around folks in your situation. The challenges should not either.

well as i stated before, its not about me personally. check my N7 HQ. i didn't do teh first 3 events. Becuase i was put putting on bronze trying to get good enough to work my way to gold someday. And being i'm an adult i was ok with not getting a reward that others got for being better then me. Better players hsould get rewarded. Its the reason people missile glitch, they do it to get things they aren't good enough to earn themselves becuase they are lazy. Gamers like taht ruin the game

The idea of a challenge system is to reward people who have skill and who havetaken the time and enjoyment of getting good at somehting. Its like saying I should be allowed to play in the NFL becuase i love football. The truth is i'm not good enough to ever be in the NFL. and i'm ok with it. Not eveyrone is good enough to do eveyrhting they ever want to. and people shouldn't complain if life isn't fit to them. It used to be a challenge, now its just a gimme

To use your NFL analogy, maybe .001% of the population is capable of playing in the NFL.  A higher percentage of the ME3 MP community could complete the challenge in the way you suggested, maybe 15% if I'm generous (remember, we are talking the larger pool, not BSN which is a very small subset).  

If they lock out 85% or more of the player pool, then the weekend challenges become moot.

For folks who want a tougher challenge, complete your BotB challenge.  You really are one of the elite.  

Let the rest of the folks who play the game have a reasonable opportunity of upgrading or unlocking a promotional weapon. 

Modifié par Grinch57, 15 janvier 2013 - 09:30 .

[andresft]

What if all challenges were two-part, and consequently had a two-part reward?

Meaning, a relatively easy challenge for all, whose reward would be, as it always has, a promotional weapon. Fair enough, since everybody should get a fair shot at getting promotionals regardless of level of skill.

The second part of the challenge would be much harder (Gold-level hard) and include an Elite Spectre Package with one UR guaranteed and a higher chance for new items. Fair enough, since URs are much harder to get, as it is, for those who play Bronze instead of Gold.

It is lore-justifiable (more experienced units being assigned tougher tasks), not too right-wing (as excluding lower-difficulty players from challenges would be), and not too left-wing (as not further rewarding skilled players is).

Would everybody be happy with such a system?

[deafmedal1]

upinya slayin wrote...
it was a challenge that i wasn't good enough to do...

ohhhh.... like the tourney runs? scrub

fa reel dough, the current system is better. I remember that first gold extract challenge, back when Geth were the easiest, then Cerberus (EEEEKK! A Phantom!1!), and Reapers were considered the hardest... I decided that I wanted to do the challenge against Reapers. Sure, I could have waltz into GGW and been done with it, but I set a goal to do it and did it. You think I suck now... you should have seen me then!

That Friday night I had soooo many wave 8-10 wipes and nobody on my FL that played this game so I booked my ass here and met a bunch of cool peeps. First gold game I played with BSNers was sucessful (Dagger/Reapers) and one of the funniest/most fun matches I've ever had. Of course, it sounds as tho I may be agreeing with you, but the point is I set a challenge for myself that could have been easier...

You too can do this, just have to set rules for yourself. If that's too much or there is absolutely NO way for this game to challenge you, well maybe it is time to hang up the tech armor.

[upinya slayin]

xtorma wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Julian Skies wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Does anyone want one that isn't insanely easy? How about extract on gold using only common weapons and getting at least a 25 kill medal with that weapon? Its not ahrd to make me extrac with a human infiltrator and a claymore on gold like last weekend

As long as you can make it so the average Bronze player can complete the operation, you can have any operation you want ma'am

I disagree with that, respectfully of course. I don't want this thread turning into a flame war. as i stated before and my manifest shows Back when i wasn't gold ready i didn't do a challenge for extracting on gold. I dind't care of complain becuase it was a challenge that i wasn't good enough to do and therefor shouldn't get rewarded

The problem with gamers is they want eveyrthing for nothing. Its a challenge that nets a reward. you should have to be able to complete a challenge. at this point they aren't challenges. they are minor things anyone can do and everyone gets a weapon. it shold be a challenge and reward system, not a free weapon for eveyrone system

So why should it be this way for everyone when you can easily set these challenges for yourself? People who are not as proficient as you and your friends already aquire weapons and gear at a much slower rate.

they get it at a much faster rate actually.

for example "back in my day"

we had Recruit, Vet, and Specter only.

What this means is to unlock 2 rare weapons we needed 120k credits
Now there are PSPs which means you get them for 99k credits.

Also challenges were bi-weekly not weekly meaning earning guns took twice as long (for N7 weapons)

We didn't have JEPs, so gels and missiles were hard to come by.

We didn't get extraction bonus. 75k was the max we could earn Now you can earn 150k max (we dind't have platinum) Every difficulty nets you more money now.

They gave eveyrone a harrier on N7 day, we ddin't even have a harrier. the best thing we had was a claymore and/or GPS

[Homey C-Dawg]

Feels like forever since we've had a challenge that is challenging. They always seem to be designed with new players in mind. I'm okay with that most of the time, but shouldn't we sometimes get something that people will actually have try for?

[PaulGreg]

y get it at a much faster rate actually.

for example "back in my day"

we had Recruit, Vet, and Specter only.

What this means is to unlock 2 rare weapons we needed 120k credits
Now there are PSPs which means you get them for 99k credits.

Also challenges were bi-weekly not weekly meaning earning guns took twice as long (for N7 weapons)

We didn't have JEPs, so gels and missiles were hard to come by.

We didn't get extraction bonus. 75k was the max we could earn Now you can earn 150k max (we dind't have platinum) Every difficulty nets you more money now.

They gave eveyrone a harrier on N7 day, we ddin't even have a harrier. the best thing we had was a claymore and/or GPS

Not to mention the lack of kits we had back then Salarian Infiltrator and Asari Adept were considered OP.

[STRANGE10VE]

I remember one of the early weekend challenges was to extract on gold. At the time I was a silver player that had never played gold. It took me 4 or 5 tries but I finally extracted. I still remember that as one of the best weekend challenges because, at that time, it was very challenging. I'd like a platinum extraction weekend challenge. No one on the team can fire a missle and the challenge can't be done on firebase rio.  If that's not possible to do then maybe a challenge to get the 10 waves survived medal on gold or platinum.

Modifié par STRANGE10VE, 15 janvier 2013 - 09:52 .

[Rib0flavin]

An easy challenge for a meh reward. do what a pro does. challenge your self with some crazy set up. post a vid or screens and collect epeen points.

[upinya slayin]

Grinch57 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Grinch57 wrote...

Upinya, 
... snip ...
You've conquered the game, you're bored with it at this point. I get that. But the game does not revolve around folks in your situation. The challenges should not either.

well as i stated before, its not about me personally. check my N7 HQ. i didn't do teh first 3 events. Becuase i was put putting on bronze trying to get good enough to work my way to gold someday. And being i'm an adult i was ok with not getting a reward that others got for being better then me. Better players hsould get rewarded. Its the reason people missile glitch, they do it to get things they aren't good enough to earn themselves becuase they are lazy. Gamers like taht ruin the game

The idea of a challenge system is to reward people who have skill and who havetaken the time and enjoyment of getting good at somehting. Its like saying I should be allowed to play in the NFL becuase i love football. The truth is i'm not good enough to ever be in the NFL. and i'm ok with it. Not eveyrone is good enough to do eveyrhting they ever want to. and people shouldn't complain if life isn't fit to them. It used to be a challenge, now its just a gimme

To use your NFL analogy, maybe .001% of the population is capable of playing in the NFL.  A higher percentage of the ME3 MP community could complete the challenge in the way you suggested, maybe 15% if I'm generous (remember, we are talking the larger pool, not BSN which is a very small subset).  

If they lock out 85% or more of the player pool, then the weekend challenges become moot.

For folks who want a tougher challenge, complete your BotB challenge.  You really are one of the elite.  

Let the rest of the folks who play the game have a reasonable opportunity of upgrading or unlocking a promotional weapon. 

I never said unreasonable. Its not like i want one to solo paltinum with a level 1. But at least soemthing of a challenge or even something fun. maybe like full extraction on gold using only adepts. IDK and i do have BotB it doens't take any skill. Its an endless grind of waves with characters some of which i didn't even like

Maybe the NFL was a bad analogy numberwise, but it was only to the point of not eveyrone should be able to. Think of it like a marathon. those of us who have jogged eveyrday can do it, but why should someone who has sat on their couch for 10 months be able to get off teh couch and say it shuld only be 100 meters and not a 5k cause they can't jog 5k? therotically anyone healthy enough to walk can walk a 5k with a little effort in traning. it mihgt take foever but they can do it.

[upinya slayin]

andresft wrote...

What if all challenges were two-part, and consequently had a two-part reward?

Meaning, a relatively easy challenge for all, whose reward would be, as it always has, a promotional weapon. Fair enough, since everybody should get a fair shot at getting promotionals regardless of level of skill.

The second part of the challenge would be much harder (Gold-level hard) and include an Elite Spectre Package with one UR guaranteed and a higher chance for new items. Fair enough, since URs are much harder to get, as it is, for those who play Bronze instead of Gold.

It is lore-justifiable (more experienced units being assigned tougher tasks), not too right-wing (as excluding lower-difficulty players from challenges would be), and not too left-wing (as not further rewarding skilled players is).

Would everybody be happy with such a system?

Yes i suggested such in another post following the ubisoft model for AC3

[Daxamite]

I don't agree with you, OP. I don't see the point in excluding people from weekend events. What if they can't find people who will carry them through the event, or if they never get good enough to approach gold? If they play it loads but never get good enough to go further, no reason to penalise them. 

If they could somehow set up split challenges, so that everyone got the N7 weapon, but the harder aspect got you say the weapon AND i dont know, lvl 4 consumables or something, that would be fine. 

upinya slayin wrote...

. Gamers whine 

well that much is true. 

[upinya slayin]

deafmedal1 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...
it was a challenge that i wasn't good enough to do...

ohhhh.... like the tourney runs? scrub

fa reel dough, the current system is better. I remember that first gold extract challenge, back when Geth were the easiest, then Cerberus (EEEEKK! A Phantom!1!), and Reapers were considered the hardest... I decided that I wanted to do the challenge against Reapers. Sure, I could have waltz into GGW and been done with it, but I set a goal to do it and did it. You think I suck now... you should have seen me then!

That Friday night I had soooo many wave 8-10 wipes and nobody on my FL that played this game so I booked my ass here and met a bunch of cool peeps. First gold game I played with BSNers was sucessful (Dagger/Reapers) and one of the funniest/most fun matches I've ever had. Of course, it sounds as tho I may be agreeing with you, but the point is I set a challenge for myself that could have been easier...

You too can do this, just have to set rules for yourself. If that's too much or there is absolutely NO way for this game to challenge you, well maybe it is time to hang up the tech armor.

lol I cna't hang it up yet. I made a commitment to the tourny and i'm gonna stick it out and give it my best. but other then tourney runs i really haven't played much ME3 at all. I've been on AC3 mostly with some halo mixed in. The thing with ME3 was when it came out nothing else good was released until BL2 which was like 9 months later. now there are alot of games and ME3 seems easy/frustrating at the same time.

Halo is a challenge right now cause i suck at it, AC3 feels right. I'm good and challenged when playing with other good players, but dominate bad players. Also dead space 3 is coming out. i picke dup some classic games i got lots of stuff to play. and Lots of cool people to play them with. But i really do love ME3 alot. It restored my love for playing games online. The whole series in itself is amazing. and I lvoe eveyrthing BW did to make it all a reality for us. I guess i'm just wishing they could throw somehting else in to keep me going. But i am semi-retired i gues unit new DLC comes out

[upinya slayin]

PaulGreg wrote...

y get it at a much faster rate actually.

for example "back in my day"

we had Recruit, Vet, and Specter only.

What this means is to unlock 2 rare weapons we needed 120k credits
Now there are PSPs which means you get them for 99k credits.

Also challenges were bi-weekly not weekly meaning earning guns took twice as long (for N7 weapons)

We didn't have JEPs, so gels and missiles were hard to come by.

We didn't get extraction bonus. 75k was the max we could earn Now you can earn 150k max (we dind't have platinum) Every difficulty nets you more money now.

They gave eveyrone a harrier on N7 day, we ddin't even have a harrier. the best thing we had was a claymore and/or GPS

Not to mention the lack of kits we had back then Salarian Infiltrator and Asari Adept were considered OP.

that too. there were times teh ex-cebeurs and jsuticar were considered top tier. now they are considered crap. no GI, no Fury, no TGI, no SLayer, no Kroguard, no Valkeryie etc. all of the best classes now are ones we didn't have access to

[upinya slayin]

Rib0flavin wrote...

An easy challenge for a meh reward. do what a pro does. challenge your self with some crazy set up. post a vid or screens and collect epeen points.

been there done taht got the t-shirt.

[deafmedal1]

upinya slayin wrote...

lol I cna't hang it up yet. I made a commitment to the tourny and i'm gonna stick it out and give it my best. but other then tourney runs i really haven't played much ME3 at all. I've been on AC3 mostly with some halo mixed in. The thing with ME3 was when it came out nothing else good was released until BL2 which was like 9 months later. now there are alot of games and ME3 seems easy/frustrating at the same time.

Halo is a challenge right now cause i suck at it, AC3 feels right. I'm good and challenged when playing with other good players, but dominate bad players. Also dead space 3 is coming out. i picke dup some classic games i got lots of stuff to play. and Lots of cool people to play them with. But i really do love ME3 alot. It restored my love for playing games online. The whole series in itself is amazing. and I lvoe eveyrthing BW did to make it all a reality for us. I guess i'm just wishing they could throw somehting else in to keep me going. But i am semi-retired i gues unit new DLC comes out

I hear you there, the tourney is the only thing keeping me here, save the weekend ops. I've been on Civ 5 for a bit, and am totally addicted. Hell I was gonna hop on Sun to help with the London run but kept saying "Just one more turn..." lol!

Modifié par deafmedal1, 15 janvier 2013 - 10:12 .

[Grinch57]

upinya slayin wrote...

Grinch57 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Grinch57 wrote...

Upinya, 
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I never said unreasonable. Its not like i want one to solo paltinum with a level 1. But at least soemthing of a challenge or even something fun. maybe like full extraction on gold using only adepts. IDK and i do have BotB it doens't take any skill. Its an endless grind of waves with characters some of which i didn't even like

Maybe the NFL was a bad analogy numberwise, but it was only to the point of not eveyrone should be able to. Think of it like a marathon. those of us who have jogged eveyrday can do it, but why should someone who has sat on their couch for 10 months be able to get off teh couch and say it shuld only be 100 meters and not a 5k cause they can't jog 5k? therotically anyone healthy enough to walk can walk a 5k with a little effort in traning. it mihgt take foever but they can do it.

I think that is a better example, but it doesn't change my answer.  

I'm a runner.  But I am not a fast runner.  I will never win a marathon.  But I am allowed to compete and am rewarded for the accomplishment of running in a marathon, half marathon or ten miler.  In the world of running, you have elites and first tier athletes.  They are the folks who win the races outright or win for their age groups.  I'm not one of those.

The best I have ever done is come in third in my age class in a half marathon, not a full marathon.  In a full marathon, I try to come in the top 10%.  In shorter races, I sometimes make it into the top 5%.  But the point of the race is not to come in the top three for their age group or only reward those in the top three overall, but give everyone who enters the race a chance to complete it.  That's the point, to complete the race, because that is the challenge.

And that is the point of the weekend challenges.