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[InTheZone]

Bryan Johnson wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Does anyone want one that isn't insanely easy? How about extract on gold using only common weapons and getting at least a 25 kill medal with that weapon? Its not ahrd to make me extrac with a human infiltrator and a claymore on gold like last weekend

Such a strict set of challenges is not possible with the system

There you have it folks - now stop complaining

Modifié par InTheZone, 16 janvier 2013 - 02:08 .

[N172]

@IIFlash :
Because they whould be limited to default human powers and blue weapons otherwise.
It is true that it did lock out players who do not have a flamer-kit unlocked, but a flamer-operation adds variety, a gold-operation does not.

Also everyone has a progress towards a complete manifest, you unlock new stuff but that does not mean you move to higher difficulties.
There are most likely far more people who have unlocked the specific weapons/kits than there are people who are capable of using that kit/weapon on gold/platinum.
On Top of that Bioware knows how many have unlocked specific stuff, so they can prevent locking out too many.

Modifié par N172, 16 janvier 2013 - 01:24 .

[IIFlash]

N172 wrote...

@IIFlash :
Because they would be limited to default human powers and blue weapons otherwise.
It is true that it did lock out players who do not have a flamer-kit unlocked, but a flamer-operation adds variety, a gold-operation does not.

I'm not sure what this is in response to.
I mentioned I did not support OP's suggestions as I personally see trying to force people to play Gold with Common weapons (or gold/plat in general) counterproductive since a lot of people than don't play Gold may waste a lot of consumables that they have little of, to try complete the challenge and the chances of them failing is high.
I will agree that variety is good, but not to the point that it's stupidly easy.

[eduardogranja]

IIFlash wrote...

Also a lot of people are saying that harder challenges would isolate new players, please explain to me how the recent "easy" challenge to get 50k? points with the Flamer doesn't isolate players that don't have a Vorcha or the Geth Trooper unlocked yet............???

EDIT: I am not necessarily saying I support OP's suggestions either
EDIT: Challenge I mentioned above is Operation Blast Furnace

"Individual Goal: [/b]Earn 75000 points of damage using fire-based powers (Incinerate, Carnage, Inferno Grenade, Flamer, Sentry Turret Flamethrower, Geth Turret Flamethrower) on any map at any difficulty. Points are cumulative across matches. Extraction not required."

That''s the description on the Bioware blog. You could complete it even with the base human characters

[upinya slayin]

Carlina wrote...

 Ooops  My sincere apologies to Upinya - She is definitely a He.  what can I say it was late and I've got a really bad cold...  Anyways, sorry 'bout that Upinya.  But quit lookin at all them boobies, it'll make you go blind.

I can't think of a better way to lose my eyesight

[upinya slayin]

IIFlash wrote...

Quikraptor wrote...

All you're doing is giving rewards to the people who've already nearly maxed out their manifests, or HAVE done so. Those are NOT the people who deserve rewards.

So your saying the people that have supported this game since launch do not deserve rewards. 

can't tell if he is trolling or a 2 year old, cause no way anyone can say that with a striaght face and be serious

[Zero132132]

upinya slayin wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

N172 wrote...

It would be ok if they do something like "Extactions: 1 platinum OR 2 gold OR 5 silver OR 10 bronze", that way there is a reason to do it on gold/platinum without locking out bronze players.

This is what I've been saying for weeks.

What I'll say is this; if the challenge isn't interesting enough for you, then make it interesting on your own. Nobody says you have to do bronze solos for everything.

i'm just looking for a change of pace i guess

Yeah, I kind of agree. I wish there were at least some prospective benefit for doing this with a full group on a higher difficulty, which is why I like the idea of there being multiple potential completion methods which basically require more games for lower difficulties. They have challenges that require nine completions with way more options than that, so why wouldn't they have a weekend op with 4 requirements where only one needs to be met?

But I still kind of think that the way to make them interesting is to make them interesting for yourself. Bioware isn't going to, and if they did, it'd **** over a lot of new players.

[Robbiesan]

whateverman7 wrote...

Robbiesan wrote...

Perhaps we just need more components to challenges to lengthen them.

i.e.
same species (or combination of certain species)
5 extractions, any difficulty, any map (or specific map/s)
3 Waves Survived achieved twice
50K Using Shotguns
50K Using Heavy Pistols
50K Tech Points
50K Biotic Explosions

In other words, keep it relatively easy for newcomers, but long enough in total to keep seasoned players going for a bit. (granted this would still be easy enough for vets but at least it would take more than an hour to complete)

the challenge is just a cheap way for bw to get more people to come back to play....why make them hard and take the chance of turning people away?.....yall have to remember the challenges are just for promotional weapons....it's already hard enough to get ultra rares cause of how the store is setup, why do the samething for weapons we cant buy?

You bet.  That is all understood.  This is just to keep things interesting, and we all know BW is trying to keep us interested, so no need to tell ourselves otherwise.

As nice as it is to have easy challenges, lately they have just been too easy, therefore not much of a challenge.

We just need something more challenging, and getting that balance right between noobs and vets can be tricky.  I am looking at the possibility of a weekend challenge that is totally doable in terms of the achievements, but takes longer to complete.  Under 1hr is not really a challenge, even for noobs (okay, maybe some).  I would like to see weekend challenges that will require some real effort and take at least 2+ hrs to complete.

[eduardogranja]

upinya slayin wrote...

IIFlash wrote...

Quikraptor wrote...

All you're doing is giving rewards to the people who've already nearly maxed out their manifests, or HAVE done so. Those are NOT the people who deserve rewards.

So your saying the people that have supported this game since launch do not deserve rewards. 

can't tell if he is trolling or a 2 year old, cause no way anyone can say that with a striaght face and be serious

maybe he meant "Those are NOT the people who need rewards"

[upinya slayin]

eduardogranja wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

IIFlash wrote...

Quikraptor wrote...

All you're doing is giving rewards to the people who've already nearly maxed out their manifests, or HAVE done so. Those are NOT the people who deserve rewards.

So your saying the people that have supported this game since launch do not deserve rewards. 

can't tell if he is trolling or a 2 year old, cause no way anyone can say that with a striaght face and be serious

maybe he meant "Those are NOT the people who need rewards"

nobody needs a ferrari but hey if you work hard enough to afford it , you deserve it.
Am i gonna be pissed caus ei can't afford one myself?
people need to grow up

[eduardogranja]

upinya slayin wrote...

nobody needs a ferrari but hey if you work hard enough to afford it , you deserve it.
Am i gonna be pissed caus ei can't afford one myself?
people need to grow up

I am a newbie myself. If there was a gold challenge and i tried to join a gold match, i'd either be kicked or would play hearing teamates grumbling about how they hate when newbies enter gold lobbies. I also want to upgrade my N7 weaponry while having fun

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I actually would be happy if they switched them around. Even if we only had a hard one every few weeks, that would be cool.

I don't need to scale Mount Everest every weekend.

But I'd like a commendation pack to occasionally be an epic success or failure story, like in the early days.

And if they keep changing them up as much as they have, new players will regularly have opportunities to get promo weapons in the bronze arena, and try a variety of objectives.

And every few weeks, they'll either have to brave Gold or do without.

Just like it was for everyone, originally.

I think that's probably the closest we could get to making everyone happy. But for me, I'm more interested in the story the community creates as we participate in the weekend challenges, than I am in opening a Christmas Present every week that I didn't really earn barely earned.

Modifié par Jeremiah12LGeek, 16 janvier 2013 - 06:09 .

[upinya slayin]

eduardogranja wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

nobody needs a ferrari but hey if you work hard enough to afford it , you deserve it.
Am i gonna be pissed caus ei can't afford one myself?
people need to grow up

I am a newbie myself. If there was a gold challenge and i tried to join a gold match, i'd either be kicked or would play hearing teamates grumbling about how they hate when newbies enter gold lobbies. I also want to upgrade my N7 weaponry while having fun

and i understand that. someone sugest a two tiered challenge. an "easy one" that eveyrone can do for one N7 unlock and a "harder" one that is actually a challenge for a 2nd N7 unlock

The point is if BW was gonna reward anyone it should be those who have invested hundreds of hours already and not those eho just got the game (no offense) but loyalty deserves more bonus IMO.

either way nobody is entitled to anything. Its an unlock system. you shouldn't get a shiny new wepaon just becuase, it should be earned liek they sued to be

[whateverman7]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

it looks like operation silencer will remain the only difficult weekend challenge we ever had...
it was fun though.

( banshees appear in all gold games regardless of faction)

iirc, we lost it and the consequence was banshees in all our games for a week....

you, just like a lot of others, are confusing the challenges....the challenge you mentioned, and the 'tough' ones that the OP talks about were community challenges, not individual challenges....operations use to provide 2 challenges/rewards back then: community and individual.....the reward for the community challenges were pretty much equipment packs; the reward for individual challenges gave us weapons....that's why the indidvual challenges were easier than the community ones.....which is still the way it's setup now....why do people wanna change that now?....

when bw gave us tougher challenges (community), people complained the reward wasnt worth the effort to do the challenge....yet, they never complained about the individual challenges being too easy though...but now, since some of yall have experience and maxed/near maxed manifests, yall want 'tougher' individual challenges....lol whatever....i finally see what this is all about: another way to try to say you're better than others...cause if yall complete the 'tough' challenge, that'll be the first thing yall would come on here and do...'that was so easy, i dont see how people didnt complete it'.....'i/we completed that in such a fast time...we need tougher challenges'...

[SoulGuard03]

 I actually miss the community challenges.



They were fun cause you had to wait till Tuesday before the results would be announced. Oh the suspense!! 

Modifié par SoulGuard03, 16 janvier 2013 - 06:17 .

[eduardogranja]

upinya slayin wrote...

eduardogranja wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

nobody needs a ferrari but hey if you work hard enough to afford it , you deserve it.
Am i gonna be pissed caus ei can't afford one myself?
people need to grow up

I am a newbie myself. If there was a gold challenge and i tried to join a gold match, i'd either be kicked or would play hearing teamates grumbling about how they hate when newbies enter gold lobbies. I also want to upgrade my N7 weaponry while having fun

and i understand that. someone sugest a two tiered challenge. an "easy one" that eveyrone can do for one N7 unlock and a "harder" one that is actually a challenge for a 2nd N7 unlock

The point is if BW was gonna reward anyone it should be those who have invested hundreds of hours already and not those eho just got the game (no offense) but loyalty deserves more bonus IMO.

either way nobody is entitled to anything. Its an unlock system. you shouldn't get a shiny new wepaon just becuase, it should be earned liek they sued to be

Well, let's hope BW hears us. I support this idea of 2 challenges

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

eduardogranja wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

nobody needs a ferrari but hey if you work hard enough to afford it , you deserve it.
Am i gonna be pissed caus ei can't afford one myself?
people need to grow up

I am a newbie myself. If there was a gold challenge and i tried to join a gold match, i'd either be kicked or would play hearing teamates grumbling about how they hate when newbies enter gold lobbies. I also want to upgrade my N7 weaponry while having fun

No you wouldn't.

That's not to say you wouldn't have problems. For the next little while (it may be improving already, I haven't noticed) there are going to be more inexperienced players in Gold than experienced ones.

So they won't kick you for being a noob (and how would they know?) but they probably won't get you extracted, either.

You could try PMing a good player after a failed extraction. Politely asking for help while respecting a player's skills can inspire a stranger to take you along for a successful extraction (I know because I've done it).

It's not an impossible hill to climb. This was how it was for all of us for months. Check my manifest, if you want.

Look under Challenges Map Mastery

I have about 15 Gold extractions, all from the last 3 weeks. Yes, I have over 100 Silver extractions, but most of those were since December 1st. I'm hardly one of the "elite players". But you can see I completed every promotional weekend until July. As a bronze player.

It doesn't alienate newer or weaker players, it just forces them to do something beyond their abilities. With effort, they can still succeed.

Modifié par Jeremiah12LGeek, 16 janvier 2013 - 07:18 .

[whateverman7]

upinya slayin wrote...

and i understand that. someone sugest a two tiered challenge. an "easy one" that eveyrone can do for one N7 unlock and a "harder" one that is actually a challenge for a 2nd N7 unlock

The point is if BW was gonna reward anyone it should be those who have invested hundreds of hours already and not those eho just got the game (no offense) but loyalty deserves more bonus IMO.

either way nobody is entitled to anything. Its an unlock system. you shouldn't get a shiny new wepaon just becuase, it should be earned liek they sued to be

since you got the game earlier, you deserve more than people that got the game later?...guess what? you do have more...you have more promotional weapons (which is what we get for challenges) unlocked than people that just started........that's not enough?....

even with what you're suggesting, you're not getting 'more'...cause if there were 2 challenges to get 2 weapons, those challenges would be open for everyone to attempt, not just a select few...would that upset you too since they still have the chance to get as many weapons as you?

[vonSlash]

IIFlash wrote...

Quikraptor wrote...

All you're doing is giving rewards to the people who've already nearly maxed out their manifests, or HAVE done so. Those are NOT the people who deserve rewards.

So your saying the people that have supported this game since launch do not deserve rewards. 

That's not actually what he said. His point was that the Commendation packs (usually) provide powerful new weapons, and people who haven't completed their arsenal need the benefits provided by these weapons more so than someone who has every UR at X.

[upinya slayin]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

eduardogranja wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

nobody needs a ferrari but hey if you work hard enough to afford it , you deserve it.
Am i gonna be pissed caus ei can't afford one myself?
people need to grow up

I am a newbie myself. If there was a gold challenge and i tried to join a gold match, i'd either be kicked or would play hearing teamates grumbling about how they hate when newbies enter gold lobbies. I also want to upgrade my N7 weaponry while having fun

No you wouldn't.

That's not to say you wouldn't have problems. For the next little while (it may be improving already, I haven't noticed) there are going to be more inexperienced players in Gold than experienced ones.

So they won't kick you for being a noob (and how would they know?) but they probably won't get you extracted, either.

You could try PMing a good player after a failed extraction. Politely asking for help while respecting a player's skills can inspire a stranger to take you a along for a successful extraction (I know because I've done it).

It's not an impossible hill to climb. This was how it was for all of us for months. Check my manifest, if you want.

Look under Challenges Map Mastery

I have about 15 Gold extractions, all from the last 3 weeks. Yes, I have over 100 Silver extractions, but most of those were since December 1st. I'm hardly one of the "elite players". But you can see I completed every promotional weekend until July. As a bronze player.

It doesn't alienate newer or weaker players, it just forces them to do something beyond their abilities. With effort, they can still succeed.

During the last gold extraction requirement. Alot of us here offered toc arry new players thorugh gold (myself included) I pointed this out in a thread before. We got teh challenge of carryign a team, the new players leaarned a little about gold and everyone won.

[eduardogranja]

So they won't kick you for being a noob (and how would they know?) but they probably won't get you extracted, either.

I already tried joining and i was kicked. The first time, the team said that "someone with this level of weapon should be playing silver/bronze". I'd probably get carried anyway, and it would be no fun for them. What's the point of a co-op game if not the entire squad is having fun? I will stay on Silver until my manifest is better

You could try PMing a good player after a failed extraction. Politely asking for help while respecting a player's skills can inspire a stranger to take you a along for a successful extraction (I know because I've done it).

I don't trust my english skills enough for that. Writing? good to go. Speaking? Not yet.

[upinya slayin]

whateverman7 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

and i understand that. someone sugest a two tiered challenge. an "easy one" that eveyrone can do for one N7 unlock and a "harder" one that is actually a challenge for a 2nd N7 unlock

The point is if BW was gonna reward anyone it should be those who have invested hundreds of hours already and not those eho just got the game (no offense) but loyalty deserves more bonus IMO.

either way nobody is entitled to anything. Its an unlock system. you shouldn't get a shiny new wepaon just becuase, it should be earned liek they sued to be

since you got the game earlier, you deserve more than people that got the game later?...guess what? you do have more...you have more promotional weapons (which is what we get for challenges) unlocked than people that just started........that's not enough?....

even with what you're suggesting, you're not getting 'more'...cause if there were 2 challenges to get 2 weapons, those challenges would be open for everyone to attempt, not just a select few...would that upset you too since they still have the chance to get as many weapons as you?

Do you ever know how to read and comprehend a statement? cause your always way out in left field by yourself. Must be lonely out there:whistle:

[ThomasakaDes_]

Maybe they could have a bronze operation, one silver and one for gold.
Once you finish one, you can't do the others.
But I'm guessing it's not possible becaus of the system.

Modifié par ThomasakaDes_, 16 janvier 2013 - 06:31 .

[Ashevajak]

The occasional harder challenge would be nice.

When starting out (a few months back) I did appreciate that the challenges were not too hard to do, as it gave me a sense of accomplishment to get it done, and of course the commendation pack weapon.

Still, for a weekend challenge, it has to be said they are not especially challenging. If, say, once a month, Bioware put on a harder challenge, like, I don't know, extract while all playing Quarians on Gold versus Geth (random example, no doubt someone can come up with a harder one), that would be good too. It would give new players something to aim for, while catering to the players who are more skilled at the game. New players wouldn't be entirely left out, as the other three weekends would have more standard challenges.

Just a suggestion, anyway.

[whateverman7]

upinya slayin wrote...

Do you ever know how to read and comprehend a statement? cause your always way out in left field by yourself. Must be lonely out there:whistle:

lol if you say so...you're asking for tougher challenges and another reward cause you've invested more time in the game....ok, cool...what i said was that they wouldnt limit the tougher challenges to a select few, they would be available for everyone, so you still not getting 'more' like you're asking....cause i already know, we'll get a thread telling about how it rubs you the wrong way that people you think havent invested as much as you are getting the same rewards....need evidence of that? look back at your posts in this thread....

and naw, i'm not lonely...you'd be surprised how many people are out here in left field with me