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[RoundedPlanet88]

swjobson wrote...

buthane22 wrote...

Male quarian soldier with full passive and TS specced correcly has a better damage output.

And for Argus, Stability and piercing is pretty much mandatory imo.

But you're right about it being better than the harrier, tough Harrier is full auto, which is great.

MQS lacks improved RoF and accuracy. Full auto makes Harrier less accurate, not to mention the low amount of spare ammo. 

Marksman? you heard of that ability?
GI, you know, with the giant Damage boost from tac cloak, and the RoF and accuracy boosts from hunter mode, AND the passives?
Did you actually crunch the numbers with anythingelse to prove yourself right, or did you just crunch the numbers for your current build?
Numbers without comparison numbers really don`t mean anything.

[ISHYGDDT]

swjobson wrote...

MQS lacks improved RoF and accuracy. Full auto makes Harrier less accurate, not to mention the low amount of spare ammo. 

Try to use some of the other characters/weapons before making a comparison next time.

[Ramsutin]

Also MQS= Marksman and TacScan

[Budukai]

I like argus, please continue

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Ahem. Harrier = ****** easy to use.

Argus = dat recoil.

And that makes the major difference.

 

Yes of course it has nothing to do with the significantly lower DPS or the fact that the Argus is a burst fire weapon. 

 

That also. Argus may be treated more like a....shotgun. That thing is an assault rilfe shotgun pretty much to me. Horrible spread and slow firing. 

Also, why do you pursue me? ;_;

 

We're posting in the same thread. I'm not pursuing you.

You....you are trying to create paranoia at me, don't you?

Modifié par GeneralMoskvin_2.0, 15 janvier 2013 - 08:49 .

[Blind2Society]

And the other downside with the argus (which it shares with the saber), your shots before recoil is even a factor go in a random direction within the crosshairs. I'm sure a lot of weapons do this but it's not really a factor except for on weapons like these.

[RoundedPlanet88]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Ahem. Harrier = ****** easy to use.

Argus = dat recoil.

And that makes the major difference.

 

Yes of course it has nothing to do with the significantly lower DPS or the fact that the Argus is a burst fire weapon. 

 

That also. Argus may be treated more like a....shotgun. That thing is an assault rilfe shotgun pretty much to me. Horrible spread and slow firing. 

Also, why do you pursue me? ;_;

 

We're posting in the same thread. I'm not pursuing you.

You....you are trying to create paranoia at me, don't you?

It`s only paranoia if theres actually nobody out to get you, otherwise its justifiable caution.

[swjobson]

RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

swjobson wrote...

buthane22 wrote...

Male quarian soldier with full passive and TS specced correcly has a better damage output.

And for Argus, Stability and piercing is pretty much mandatory imo.

But you're right about it being better than the harrier, tough Harrier is full auto, which is great.

MQS lacks improved RoF and accuracy. Full auto makes Harrier less accurate, not to mention the low amount of spare ammo. 

Marksman? you heard of that ability?
GI, you know, with the giant Damage boost from tac cloak, and the RoF and accuracy boosts from hunter mode, AND the passives?
Did you actually crunch the numbers with anythingelse to prove yourself right, or did you just crunch the numbers for your current build?
Numbers without comparison numbers really don`t mean anything.

The lag between using Scan and Marksman and between waiting for Marksman to expire/cooldown and another Scan interfers with attacking. It's a terrible kit. The Geth Inf only gets a Cloak bonus that would benefit the first two or three Argus bursts, ruining sustained damage. 

[BlackDahlia424]

This thread right now.

[Invader Nemesis]

Oh my gherd...I hope you are not serious....

[SpockLives]

@swjobson: Now do your math again, this time accounting for the 0.25 second refire delay between bursts that Devastator Mode cannot reduce. Then do a DPS calculation with the same build with a Harrier. Then apologize to the forums for being wrong.

[Bessy067]

swjobson wrote...

RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

swjobson wrote...

buthane22 wrote...

Male quarian soldier with full passive and TS specced correcly has a better damage output.

And for Argus, Stability and piercing is pretty much mandatory imo.

But you're right about it being better than the harrier, tough Harrier is full auto, which is great.

MQS lacks improved RoF and accuracy. Full auto makes Harrier less accurate, not to mention the low amount of spare ammo. 

Marksman? you heard of that ability?
GI, you know, with the giant Damage boost from tac cloak, and the RoF and accuracy boosts from hunter mode, AND the passives?
Did you actually crunch the numbers with anythingelse to prove yourself right, or did you just crunch the numbers for your current build?
Numbers without comparison numbers really don`t mean anything.

The lag between using Scan and Marksman and between waiting for Marksman to expire/cooldown and another Scan interfers with attacking. It's a terrible kit. The Geth Inf only gets a Cloak bonus that would benefit the first two or three Argus bursts, ruining sustained damage. 

With proxy mine and hunter mode I'm pretty sure GI does more damage than destroyer anyways.

[thatonebigdude]

Argus demands a stability mod or equipment. It also needs a rate of fire and refire boost; the burst should be faster and the time between bursts needs reduced. Damage is okay; DPS isn't the be-all-end-all of a weapon's worth.
As it is, it feels best on the Destroyer with a properly configured Devastator Mode, but there are at least three other weapons that are better on him. I'd say the PPR, the Harrier, the Typhoon, and IMO the Revenant are all better ARs.
Here's a question: Why can't BW get the ARs right?

[spudspot]

RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

It`s only paranoia if theres actually nobody out to get you, otherwise its justifiable caution.

I might be paranoid, but that doesn't mean there is nobody out to get me. 

Modifié par spudspot, 15 janvier 2013 - 08:53 .

[DHKany]

swjobson wrote...

MQS lacks improved RoF and accuracy. Full auto makes Harrier less accurate, not to mention the low amount of spare ammo. 

Just in the same way that the GI lacks damage output...... owait. 

[BridgeBurner]

OP, if you think the Argus is good on the destroyer, slap a hurricane VIII with EM + heat sink and AP IV on him. Oh, so you just one clipped an atlas on gold? Yeah.

Same goes for the GI, GI can one clip an atlas using the hurricane; its possible on the geth trooper weapons platform but rare as you need a ridiculously high ammo return on the heat sink.

Also, typhoon > harrier > argus. Plus, burst fire weapons really are wasted on classes with fire rate bonuses.

Modifié par Annomander, 15 janvier 2013 - 08:55 .

[RoundedPlanet88]

swjobson wrote...

RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

swjobson wrote...

buthane22 wrote...

Male quarian soldier with full passive and TS specced correcly has a better damage output.

And for Argus, Stability and piercing is pretty much mandatory imo.

But you're right about it being better than the harrier, tough Harrier is full auto, which is great.

MQS lacks improved RoF and accuracy. Full auto makes Harrier less accurate, not to mention the low amount of spare ammo. 

Marksman? you heard of that ability?
GI, you know, with the giant Damage boost from tac cloak, and the RoF and accuracy boosts from hunter mode, AND the passives?
Did you actually crunch the numbers with anythingelse to prove yourself right, or did you just crunch the numbers for your current build?
Numbers without comparison numbers really don`t mean anything.

The lag between using Scan and Marksman and between waiting for Marksman to expire/cooldown and another Scan interfers with attacking. It's a terrible kit. The Geth Inf only gets a Cloak bonus that would benefit the first two or three Argus bursts, ruining sustained damage. 

Really? see, harrier on the QMS give plenty of CD for tac scan. As for waiting for marksman to CD, you do realize you can fire while its coolingdown right? As for the GI cloak bonus.......Wow. Taccloak essentially gives a 80 % damage boost for 5/6 of the time, In addition to other bonuses of course. Oh, and he can spam proxmine every three seconds too.

[swjobson]

Bessy067 wrote...

swjobson wrote...

RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

swjobson wrote...

buthane22 wrote...

Male quarian soldier with full passive and TS specced correcly has a better damage output.

And for Argus, Stability and piercing is pretty much mandatory imo.

But you're right about it being better than the harrier, tough Harrier is full auto, which is great.

MQS lacks improved RoF and accuracy. Full auto makes Harrier less accurate, not to mention the low amount of spare ammo. 

Marksman? you heard of that ability?
GI, you know, with the giant Damage boost from tac cloak, and the RoF and accuracy boosts from hunter mode, AND the passives?
Did you actually crunch the numbers with anythingelse to prove yourself right, or did you just crunch the numbers for your current build?
Numbers without comparison numbers really don`t mean anything.

The lag between using Scan and Marksman and between waiting for Marksman to expire/cooldown and another Scan interfers with attacking. It's a terrible kit. The Geth Inf only gets a Cloak bonus that would benefit the first two or three Argus bursts, ruining sustained damage. 

With proxy mine and hunter mode I'm pretty sure GI does more damage than destroyer anyways.

No. I've tried all of these things. The worst part is when you miss with the mine (including enemy evading your placement), or time spent getting closer to improve your mine accuracy. The Destroyer just shoots the gun; simple and effective. 

[Grunt_Platform]

Pretty sure the only way you can get higher DPS with the Argus than with the Harrier is if you somehow ignore the refire delay on the Argus. Or if your Harrier is really low level.

Sure, with a stability upgrade the Argus isn't too bad, especially fired from cover. But the Harrier is still better.

[GordianKnot42]

I gotta say, putting all the numbers aside, I enjoy the Argus Destroyer immensely. He's one of the only straight-up soldiers I play. Just awesome gun-totin' tankiness. The Argus is like a headshot machine even at fairly long ranges (made even better with Destroyer's fire rate).

[Someone With Mass]

The Argus needs several crutches in order to hit the broadside of Glacier. From the inside.

The Harrier doesn't.

[BridgeBurner]

Argus deals about 300 DPS less than the harrier, and about HALF the damage per second that the typhoon will do to defences when ramped up.

So, remind me, what's so good about the argus again?

[ISHYGDDT]

swjobson wrote...

Bessy067 wrote...

swjobson wrote...

RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

swjobson wrote...

buthane22 wrote...

Male quarian soldier with full passive and TS specced correcly has a better damage output.

And for Argus, Stability and piercing is pretty much mandatory imo.

But you're right about it being better than the harrier, tough Harrier is full auto, which is great.

MQS lacks improved RoF and accuracy. Full auto makes Harrier less accurate, not to mention the low amount of spare ammo. 

Marksman? you heard of that ability?
GI, you know, with the giant Damage boost from tac cloak, and the RoF and accuracy boosts from hunter mode, AND the passives?
Did you actually crunch the numbers with anythingelse to prove yourself right, or did you just crunch the numbers for your current build?
Numbers without comparison numbers really don`t mean anything.

The lag between using Scan and Marksman and between waiting for Marksman to expire/cooldown and another Scan interfers with attacking. It's a terrible kit. The Geth Inf only gets a Cloak bonus that would benefit the first two or three Argus bursts, ruining sustained damage. 

With proxy mine and hunter mode I'm pretty sure GI does more damage than destroyer anyways.

No. I've tried all of these things. The worst part is when you miss with the mine (including enemy evading your placement), or time spent getting closer to improve your mine accuracy. The Destroyer just shoots the gun; simple and effective. 

Fortunately your skill level is the only one that matters, right?

[swjobson]

RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

swjobson wrote...

RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

swjobson wrote...

buthane22 wrote...

Male quarian soldier with full passive and TS specced correcly has a better damage output.

And for Argus, Stability and piercing is pretty much mandatory imo.

But you're right about it being better than the harrier, tough Harrier is full auto, which is great.

MQS lacks improved RoF and accuracy. Full auto makes Harrier less accurate, not to mention the low amount of spare ammo. 

Marksman? you heard of that ability?
GI, you know, with the giant Damage boost from tac cloak, and the RoF and accuracy boosts from hunter mode, AND the passives?
Did you actually crunch the numbers with anythingelse to prove yourself right, or did you just crunch the numbers for your current build?
Numbers without comparison numbers really don`t mean anything.

The lag between using Scan and Marksman and between waiting for Marksman to expire/cooldown and another Scan interfers with attacking. It's a terrible kit. The Geth Inf only gets a Cloak bonus that would benefit the first two or three Argus bursts, ruining sustained damage. 

Really? see, harrier on the QMS give plenty of CD for tac scan. As for waiting for marksman to CD, you do realize you can fire while its coolingdown right? As for the GI cloak bonus.......Wow. Taccloak essentially gives a 80 % damage boost for 5/6 of the time, In addition to other bonuses of course. Oh, and he can spam proxmine every three seconds too.

When you have Scan on one target, Marksman is efective. Still, you have to spend time to set it up. Then, assuming someone else didn't kill it and you did, you don't get the Scan bonus until you use it again, meaning Marksman has to expire... like I said, it's a terrible kit if you want to shoot things. All Scan builds are support. And Cloak is, at best, 1/3 of the time assuming you are sustaining constant fire for an extended period. Good luck with that.