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[LoneWolf3905]

So. Is Argus even worth using?

[lightswitch]

LoneWolf3905 wrote...

So. Is Argus even worth using?

Not in my experience. Not especially accurate, low damage output. You won't run out of ammo, but you'll wish you had.

[Shinnyshin]

The logic is wrong. Because the logic is wrong, the math is wrong. Because the math is wrong, the analysis is wrong. Because the analysis is wrong, the conclusion is wrong.

Basically, most of what you've written depends on flawed assumptions. And is wrong.

[Ilikechicken257]

I think another think the OP has forgotten is the awful reload time on the Argus. It has the same reload animation as the Revenant. I think the worst thing about the Argus is that it looks cool, but is probably the most frustratingly bad AR in the game. I genuinely would rather do Gold with a GPR than that thing.

[DangerManX]

This has got to be a troll...

[LoneWolf3905]

lightswitch wrote...

LoneWolf3905 wrote...

So. Is Argus even worth using?

Not in my experience. Not especially accurate, low damage output. You won't run out of ammo, but you'll wish you had.

What if I was to throw it on the TSol or QM? Throw a recoil mod followed by gear. I kinda liked it in SP. But I don't want to run into a Gold and just be useless.

[Ilikechicken257]

@Lonewolf- put it on a melee class and use it as a bludgeon. does more DPS.

[Astartes Marine]

This is in reference to using an N7 Destroyer.

Headshots are key for the Argus since if memory serves it does roughly 500 damage her shot for headhits, my manifest detailer isn't functioning at the moment so I can't check.

Precision scope, stability dampener, a proper Destroyer spec, and some good aim will allow you to do more damage than the Harrier.  The Argus also has alot more spare ammo than the Harrier...


On the other hand, the Harrier is generally less demanding than the Argus in terms of what it needs to start killing, it's a more flexible weapon but in the right hands the Argus can kick some serious butt.

[LoneWolf3905]

Ilikechicken257 wrote...

@Lonewolf- put it on a melee class and use it as a bludgeon. does more DPS.

Think I'll give it to the Batarian. Like the way they use their weapon like a bassboall bat. 

Modifié par LoneWolf3905, 15 janvier 2013 - 11:27 .

[Ilikechicken257]

LoneWolf3905 wrote...

Ilikechicken257 wrote...

@Lonewolf- put it on a melee class and use it as a bludgeon. does more DPS.

Think I'll give it to the Batarian. Like the way they use their weapon like a bassboall bat. 

They use pistols/SMGs to uppercut their opponents too.

[LoboFH]

Well, the other day I was doing some tests to decide the last assault rifle for the challenge and I've choosen Mattock over Argus, I sucked hard with the Argus.

But perhaps I didn't get its point, until today I always thought arc pistol was garbage and this evening I've discovered it kicks asses on my quarian engie girl.

Modifié par LoboFH, 15 janvier 2013 - 11:30 .

[ROBOTICSUPERMAN]

numbers? what is this witchcraft?

because there is no character to reduce the refire time, argus and other burst fires work better on less gun reliant builds/characters that dont add rof bonuses. FQE for example. but even then it MAY out perform harrier X, dunno cant be bothered with real numbers, i go by feel of the character when playing. but probably will outperform harrier I when using argus X.

anyway, argus, revenant, collector rifle and harrier need weight adjustment one way or the other because they really arnt on a level playing field.

[Moby]

Clearly a troll thread.

[lightswitch]

LoneWolf3905 wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

LoneWolf3905 wrote...

So. Is Argus even worth using?

Not in my experience. Not especially accurate, low damage output. You won't run out of ammo, but you'll wish you had.

What if I was to throw it on the TSol or QM? Throw a recoil mod followed by gear. I kinda liked it in SP. But I don't want to run into a Gold and just be useless.

Technically, yes. The TSol makes pretty much any weapon gold viable when Marksman is active.

But you'll just be gimping yourself. A lot of people use the TSol as a crutch for bad weapons, but he doesn't reach his potential until you start equipping him with weapons that were good already. Piranha, Hurricane, Claymore, Talon, all these guns will shred everything with Marksman.

[DSxCallOfBooty-]

Your numbers are wrong. Legitimacy of this post is under 9000.

[Shampoohorn]

MofuggerX wrote...

Clearly a troll thread.

It's more like a Troll-2 thread: good intentions so ineptly executed that it has now turned into an instant classic. 

10/10

Modifié par Shampoohorn, 16 janvier 2013 - 12:00 .

[Alijah Green]

BSN members are bias so what else would you expect.

[LoneWolf3905]

lightswitch wrote...

LoneWolf3905 wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

LoneWolf3905 wrote...

So. Is Argus even worth using?

Not in my experience. Not especially accurate, low damage output. You won't run out of ammo, but you'll wish you had.

What if I was to throw it on the TSol or QM? Throw a recoil mod followed by gear. I kinda liked it in SP. But I don't want to run into a Gold and just be useless.

Technically, yes. The TSol makes pretty much any weapon gold viable when Marksman is active.

But you'll just be gimping yourself. A lot of people use the TSol as a crutch for bad weapons, but he doesn't reach his potential until you start equipping him with weapons that were good already. Piranha, Hurricane, Claymore, Talon, all these guns will shred everything with Marksman.

Pitty. You'ed think it be up there. With it being a cannon that fires in burst.

[Kalas Magnus]

So, nerf the argus?

[BridgeBurner]

Astartes Marine wrote..
Precision scope, stability dampener, a proper Destroyer spec, and some good aim will allow you to do more damage than the Harrier.  The Argus also has alot more spare ammo than the Harrier...

Stopped taking you seriously when you suggested scope and stability. What are you playing on, bronze? Who in their right mind uses stability and scope mods on an assault rifle...?

Scope and stability is a complete waste of two mod slots.

Sacrificing 25% damage, HVB, extended magazine for no real benefit is not a sensible thing to do.

Your whole post is pretty stupid, as under no circumstances will an Argus EVER outperform a harrier; saying otherwise is just really misinformed.

Putting a scope and a stability dampener on a gun is the most pointless thing ever, and under no circumstances will you EVER do more damage with an argus than you would with a harrier... and all the scopes and stability dampeners in the world isn't going to change that.

EB + EM +AP IV on harrier >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> argus with scope and lolstability

Modifié par Annomander, 16 janvier 2013 - 12:28 .

[darkblade]

Don't worry OP I like the argus and think that it's great fun.

[Googleness]

just tried argus X on cerberus gold...
used stability V \\ AP V
AR rail amp 3 \\ Disruptor ammo III (was engineer) \\ warfighter package V
on turian engineer.

it was pretty decent and killed stuff pretty quick but still I prefer my harrier III as the 2 shot vs full auto makes a difference.

[Astartes Marine]

Annomander wrote...
Stopped taking you seriously when you suggested scope and stability. What are you playing on, bronze? Who in their right mind uses stability and scope mods on an assault rifle...?

I don't think there was a time on this board that I ever took you seriously, what are the odds eh?

I enjoy Silver mostly myself as I never seem to ever find any decent teams on Gold that aren't playing White, Rio, or Glacier and Silver just seems the least bull****ty difficulty in regards to cheap AI tactics.  Mind you I've completed several Gold matches with the Destroyer/Argus and I've done just fine.

And the Argus is a burst rifle with a severe lack of accuracy and heavy recoil.  Those two mods mitigate those two weaknesses while the Destroyer further increases accuracy and fire rate as well as mag size and damage.  Barrage Upgrade combined with Stability completely removes any recoil so that bonus working with accuracy boosters puts this gun into headshot-capable range. 

Just think about that.  A burst rifle, that does 515 headshot damage per shot (before character/amp bonuses), with ZERO recoil, and several accuracy buffs...and 210 rounds of ammo compared to the Harrier X's 100.  More damage, more ammo.
That is of course, if you are a good shot.  If you can't keep landing headshots then you'll still be doing 206 per shot (before character/amp bonuses) but at that point you might as well just use a bullet hose like the Typhoon, Hurricane, or Revenant. 


On the flip side as I said before the Harrier is easier to use, is not nearly as reliant on items to boost it's reliability and is usable on just about every class.  The Argus is alot trickier and is a heartless and merciless **** that only rewards those who have the skill and the character to use it to it's fullest but the rewards are very nice.

Basically:
Harrier - general purpose "any idiot can use it"
Argus - specialist "tricky bastard to master"

Modifié par Astartes Marine, 16 janvier 2013 - 12:56 .

[tehBobby]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Annomander wrote...
Stopped taking you seriously when you suggested scope and stability. What are you playing on, bronze? Who in their right mind uses stability and scope mods on an assault rifle...?

I don't think there was a time on this board that I ever took you seriously, what are the odds eh?

I enjoy Silver mostly myself as I never seem to ever find any decent teams on Gold that aren't playing White, Rio, or Glacier and Silver just seems the least bull****ty difficulty in regards to cheap AI tactics.  Mind you I've completed several Gold matches with the Destroyer/Argus and I've done just fine.

And the Argus is a burst rifle with a severe lack of accuracy and heavy recoil.  Those two mods mitigate those two weaknesses while the Destroyer further increases accuracy and fire rate as well as mag size and damage.  Barrage Upgrade combined with Stability completely removes any recoil so that bonus working with accuracy boosters puts this gun into headshot-capable range. 

Just think about that.  A burst rifle, that does 515 headshot damage per shot (before character/amp bonuses), with ZERO recoil, and several accuracy buffs...and 210 rounds of ammo compared to the Harrier X's 100.  More damage, more ammo.
That is of course, if you are a good shot.  If you can't keep landing headshots then you'll still be doing 206 per shot (before character/amp bonuses) but at that point you might as well just use a bullet hose like the Typhoon, Hurricane, or Revenant. 


On the flip side as I said before the Harrier is easier to use, is not nearly as reliant on items to boost it's reliability and is usable on just about every class.  The Argus is alot trickier and is a heartless and merciless **** that only rewards those who have the skill and the character to use it to it's fullest but the rewards are very nice.

Basically:
Harrier - general purpose "any idiot can use it"
Argus - specialist "tricky bastard to master"

Every gun is good on Silver. 

That said, Harrier is marginally better than the Argus, no matter how good you are with the latter.

Modifié par tehBobby, 16 janvier 2013 - 01:00 .

[Cyonan]

I like the Argus and it's one of the better Assault Rifles.

but the Harrier is better in every way except ammo capacity.