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[Kenadian]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Annomander wrote...
Stopped taking you seriously when you suggested scope and stability. What are you playing on, bronze? Who in their right mind uses stability and scope mods on an assault rifle...?

I don't think there was a time on this board that I ever took you seriously, what are the odds eh?

I enjoy Silver mostly myself as I never seem to ever find any decent teams on Gold that aren't playing White, Rio, or Glacier and Silver just seems the least bull****ty difficulty in regards to cheap AI tactics.  Mind you I've completed several Gold matches with the Destroyer/Argus and I've done just fine.

And the Argus is a burst rifle with a severe lack of accuracy and heavy recoil.  Those two mods mitigate those two weaknesses while the Destroyer further increases accuracy and fire rate as well as mag size and damage.  Barrage Upgrade combined with Stability completely removes any recoil so that bonus working with accuracy boosters puts this gun into headshot-capable range. 

Just think about that.  A burst rifle, that does 515 headshot damage per shot (before character/amp bonuses), with ZERO recoil, and several accuracy buffs...and 210 rounds of ammo compared to the Harrier X's 100.  More damage, more ammo.
That is of course, if you are a good shot.  If you can't keep landing headshots then you'll still be doing 206 per shot (before character/amp bonuses) but at that point you might as well just use a bullet hose like the Typhoon, Hurricane, or Revenant. 


On the flip side as I said before the Harrier is easier to use, is not nearly as reliant on items to boost it's reliability and is usable on just about every class.  The Argus is alot trickier and is a heartless and merciless **** that only rewards those who have the skill and the character to use it to it's fullest but the rewards are very nice.

Basically:
Harrier - general purpose "any idiot can use it"
Argus Saber - specialist "tricky bastard to master"

Now you are more accurate.

[Astartes Marine]

tehBobby wrote...
Every gun is good on Silver.

Well that is one of the reasons that I enjoy Silver, I'm not restrained to the Gold/N7 level weapons.  Just about anything...except for that miserable Avenger...can be good on Silver. 

Though in my post I was actually referring to the Argus' performance in Gold games.  I just said that I like to play Silver.  Appologies if there was confusion.  <_<

[Captain J. Sunshine]

Are you insane?

[Heldarion]

Hey gaize, just ran sum tests and came to following conclusions:

Scimitar >>> Piranha
Incisor >>> Black Widow
Predator >> Talon




classy GI would like you all to stay classy.

Modifié par Heldarion, 16 janvier 2013 - 01:14 .

[Astartes Marine]

Kenadian wrote...
Now you are more accurate.

Actually I personally feel that the Argus is still the trickier of the two.  The Saber is VERY accurate and the recoil isn't all that bad plus even at low levels it still hits like a sledgehammer even with body shots.  It's more demanding than the Harrier, but not as much as the Argus (a stock Saber can be taken on just about any class, it doesn't really "require" any mods to do well).

That said, I freaking love the Saber.

[Kenadian]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Kenadian wrote...
Now you are more accurate.

Actually I personally feel that the Argus is still the trickier of the two.  The Saber is VERY accurate and the recoil isn't all that bad plus even at low levels it still hits like a sledgehammer even with body shots.  It's more demanding than the Harrier, but not as much as the Argus (a stock Saber can be taken on just about any class, it doesn't really "require" any mods to do well).

That said, I freaking love the Saber.

The Argus only takes more skill to use properly because it's an inferior gun. You need either scopes or class powers to boost its rather poor accuracy (for something meant to be a hard hitting, accurate burst-fire weapon dafuq?). I don't find the stability to be as much of a problem. It's mostly the horrid refire time and it's lackluster damage.

[AznInvazion]

Annomander wrote...

Argus deals about 300 DPS less than the harrier, and about HALF the damage per second that the typhoon will do to defences when ramped up.

So, remind me, what's so good about the argus again?

Finishing the AR challenge... That's about it IMO...

[Kenadian]

AznInvazion wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Argus deals about 300 DPS less than the harrier, and about HALF the damage per second that the typhoon will do to defences when ramped up.

So, remind me, what's so good about the argus again?

Finishing the AR challenge... That's about it IMO...

You can do it without it can't you?

[AznInvazion]

Kenadian wrote...

AznInvazion wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Argus deals about 300 DPS less than the harrier, and about HALF the damage per second that the typhoon will do to defences when ramped up.

So, remind me, what's so good about the argus again?

Finishing the AR challenge... That's about it IMO...

You can do it without it can't you?

You can but it's one of the better ARs to use for the challenge... I'm not taking an avenger over an argus...

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Kenadian wrote...

You can do it without it can't you?

It's a hard choice between the Argus and Vindicator. It's like choosing between Ash and Kaidan it's so hard.

[lightswitch]

Annomander wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote..
Precision scope, stability dampener, a proper Destroyer spec, and some good aim will allow you to do more damage than the Harrier.  The Argus also has alot more spare ammo than the Harrier...

Stopped taking you seriously when you suggested scope and stability. What are you playing on, bronze? Who in their right mind uses stability and scope mods on an assault rifle...?

*snip*

You lost me at the "under no circumstances is it right to ever" part.

Some weapons are greatly improved by the use of said mods. For instance, back in the day when the Mattock was the best weapon I had, I never used it without a scope. The added accuracy increases the weapons effectiveness far, far more than the extended barrel.

[Kenadian]

lightswitch wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote..
Precision scope, stability dampener, a proper Destroyer spec, and some good aim will allow you to do more damage than the Harrier.  The Argus also has alot more spare ammo than the Harrier...

Stopped taking you seriously when you suggested scope and stability. What are you playing on, bronze? Who in their right mind uses stability and scope mods on an assault rifle...?

*snip*

You lost me at the "under no circumstances is it right to ever" part.

Some weapons are greatly improved by the use of said mods. For instance, back in the day when the Mattock was the best weapon I had, I never used it without a scope. The added accuracy increases the weapons effectiveness far, far more than the extended barrel.

I couldn't disagree more. The scope adds little to any gun other than the Saber and gives you tunnel vision. The stability mod is a different story and can be beneficial. The scope? Crap.

[lightswitch]

Kenadian wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote..
Precision scope, stability dampener, a proper Destroyer spec, and some good aim will allow you to do more damage than the Harrier.  The Argus also has alot more spare ammo than the Harrier...

Stopped taking you seriously when you suggested scope and stability. What are you playing on, bronze? Who in their right mind uses stability and scope mods on an assault rifle...?

*snip*

You lost me at the "under no circumstances is it right to ever" part.

Some weapons are greatly improved by the use of said mods. For instance, back in the day when the Mattock was the best weapon I had, I never used it without a scope. The added accuracy increases the weapons effectiveness far, far more than the extended barrel.

I couldn't disagree more. The scope adds little to any gun other than the Saber and gives you tunnel vision. The stability mod is a different story and can be beneficial. The scope? Crap.

Heh, strangely enough I would never put a scope on a Saber. No need, it's accurate enough already that I can headshot targets at any range.

You are aware the scope increase accuracy, right? Mattock is not so hot in the accuracy department but with a scope you can consistenly land headshots at any range.

Modifié par lightswitch, 16 janvier 2013 - 03:50 .

[Thunderstrike]

if the argus had the RoF of a hurricane(full auto) and recoil of a PPR plus a clip size like the typhoon, THEN AND ONLY THEN, would it be better than the harrier.

[lightswitch]

LoneWolf3905 wrote...

Pitty. You'ed think it be up there. With it being a cannon that fires in burst.

Don't let me stop you from trying it, the important thing is to enjoy yourself. If you want to take an Argus TSol into a gold game, do it. Play the way you want.

[Titus Thongger]

by no stretch of the imagination does the argus ever compare to the harrier.

the only ARs that are comparable to the harrier are the PPR, brophoon and arguably the saber and the harrier has them all beat in ease of use

[SavagelyEpic]

OP drugs are bad k?

[lightswitch]

Titus Thongger wrote...

by no stretch of the imagination does the argus ever compare to the harrier.

the only ARs that are comparable to the harrier are the PPR, brophoon and arguably the saber and the harrier has them all beat in ease of use

You know, I don't think the Harrier is as easy to use as everyone says. If you're missing a lot of shots and aren't always aiming for the head, the ammo reserve might actually become a real issue. I always see people complaining about the small ammo supply and think 'what game are they playing,' but if people are wasting a lot of bullets maybe the ammo does become a real problem.

[Kenadian]

lightswitch wrote...

Kenadian wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote..
Precision scope, stability dampener, a proper Destroyer spec, and some good aim will allow you to do more damage than the Harrier.  The Argus also has alot more spare ammo than the Harrier...

Stopped taking you seriously when you suggested scope and stability. What are you playing on, bronze? Who in their right mind uses stability and scope mods on an assault rifle...?

*snip*

You lost me at the "under no circumstances is it right to ever" part.

Some weapons are greatly improved by the use of said mods. For instance, back in the day when the Mattock was the best weapon I had, I never used it without a scope. The added accuracy increases the weapons effectiveness far, far more than the extended barrel.

I couldn't disagree more. The scope adds little to any gun other than the Saber and gives you tunnel vision. The stability mod is a different story and can be beneficial. The scope? Crap.

Heh, strangely enough I would never put a scope on a Saber. No need, it's accurate enough already that I can headshot targets at any range.

You are aware the scope increase accuracy, right? Mattock is not so hot in the accuracy department but with a scope you can consistenly land headshots at any range.

The scope makes headshots easier though with the magnification, making it somewhat useful on the Saber. The increased accuracy doesn't help you with bosses however. 25% extra damage against everything just has more utility.

[Ninja Stan]

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[lightswitch]

Kenadian wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

Heh, strangely enough I would never put a scope on a Saber. No need, it's accurate enough already that I can headshot targets at any range.

You are aware the scope increase accuracy, right? Mattock is not so hot in the accuracy department but with a scope you can consistenly land headshots at any range.

The scope makes headshots easier though with the magnification, making it somewhat useful on the Saber. The increased accuracy doesn't help you with bosses however. 25% extra damage against everything just has more utility.

Against Reapers and Collectors, yeah probably depending on your playstyle. Even with the EB a Mattock isn't exactly going to be tearing through bosses though. Against Geth and Cerberus you're much better off with the increased accuracy.

Modifié par lightswitch, 16 janvier 2013 - 04:32 .

[Kittstalkur]

Why would you ever use anything but the Prothean Particle Rifle, Assault Rifle Amp 3, Incendiary 4, and Warfighter 5 gear on a Destroyer?

It's like you hate watching everything burst into confetti. Everyone loves confetti.

Everyone.

[Astartes Marine]

Kenadian wrote...
The scope makes headshots easier though with the magnification, making it somewhat useful on the Saber. The increased accuracy doesn't help you with bosses however. 25% extra damage against everything just has more utility.

I've never needed a scope on the Saber myself, it really is very accurate, near perfect accuracy in cover.

There also was an update awhile ago that restored the headshot multipliers and vulnerabilities to the boss characters so they take that bonus damage now too.

As for the 25% damage being better overall I'd say it's more of a case by case thing.  Numbers-wise yes since you get better damage output though on a weapon, like the Argus for an example, that has really poor accuracy on the 2nd and especially 3rd shot of a burst that boosted damage is more often than not wasted as the shots will probably miss or hit lesser vital areas. 
With a scope and the boosted accuracy sure you'll have less damage per shot, but more consistent damage through more accurate shots.

There's other factors to take into account like how far away you'll be shooting at people; if you're rather close then accuracy would be less of an issue, etc. etc.