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[thenextportnoy]

TSol with a Piranha is a beast. Fire a shot into a wall to see your pellet spread, then flip on Marksman and do it again. On gold, I can drop troops on the ground from the FB Dagger tower in only a couple shots.

[Samerandomscreennameidontcareabout]

LoneWolf3905 wrote...

Tsol is the only one seems to work it better out of them all. SO I'll just use it on him if I feel like it. But. I'm gonna have to try the Piranha on him. Been hearing thats a nice set up.

It is. Tight spread, high damage. Wreaks havoc against everything.

[Ashevajak]

Ouch, Tsol Piranha. Not only a nasty set-up, but quick cooldown too. Spam Marksman all day long.

[Hausner85]

Oh kids this days.... Tsol Argus nice "almost" like Harrier... Any one else quite weak.

Also Quarian Marksman > N7 Destroyer only if you don't have PPR or Typhoon

[Tonymac]

I've gotten a good laugh out of this thread.

The Argus may have its uses, I just cannot think of any right off of the bat. I know I don't use it. Ever. I tried it when it first came out, and I hated it. Its junk. Sub-par does not even begin to describe this craptastic and laughably weak (yet obnoxiously heavy) weapon.

The Argus is a poor man's upgrade to the M-8 Avenger.

[Astartes Marine]

Annomander wrote...
So you're saying the Argus does better damage than the harrier... Yeah.... that's completely wrong.

Headshot damage, and yes it is completely right. 

Annomander wrote...
Also,
I love it how you only play silver regularly, yet you make excuses as
to why you don't play gold. Perhaps the reason you can't play gold is
because you think the Argus is better than the Harrier?

I love how you have selective memory.  I can play Gold, I can survive Gold, I can do well in Gold, but the quality of players (on 360 at least) is often rather...not good...and more often than not the experience is rather unenjoyable. 

Silver has the least in cheap AI tactics, stagger spam, homing rockets, etc etc.  Plus I like experimenting with loadouts, seeing what each weapon can do and how it performs with a certain class rather than just "Human Soldier with Claymore" or "Destroyer with Pirahna".  Silver isn't as restrictive and you can get away with using just about any weapon loadout...except for the Avenger.  There's no saving that piece of crap.<_<

I also believe that BOTH the Argus and Harrier are great weapons, just that the Harrier is more a general use thing while the Argus (with appropriate mods, amps, class powers) can do some nasty headshot damage.  On a Destroyer with AP IV, AR amp III, and powers specced accordingly that 515 per shot headshot bonus rockets up to 1069 per shot.  The Harrier's headshot multiplier even at X will only manage 672 per shot with the same character setup. 




Of course, it was at this point in typing where I facedesked.  My own argument has shot me and then run me over. 

Astartes Marine wrote...
As for the 25% damage being better
overall I'd say it's more of a case by case thing.  Numbers-wise yes
since you get better damage output though on a weapon, like the Argus
for an example, that has really poor accuracy on the 2nd and especially
3rd shot of a burst that boosted damage is more often than not wasted as
the shots will probably miss or hit lesser vital areas. 
With a scope and the boosted accuracy sure you'll have less damage per shot, but more consistent damage through more accurate shots.

The Harrier with it being a fully automatic weapon in nature DOES consistent damage, and while it may be less damage per shot than the Argus it's more consistent.  The Argus as it is a burst rifle...well...yeah.  I feel silly for not taking that into account. 



Well...crap, rookie mistake. 
I blame my insomnia!

Modifié par Astartes Marine, 16 janvier 2013 - 03:32 .

[Striker93175]

Ramsutin wrote...

GI>Destroyer, Harrier>Argus.

[BridgeBurner]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Annomander wrote...
So you're saying the Argus does better damage than the harrier... Yeah.... that's completely wrong.

Headshot damage, and yes it is completely right. 

Wrong, for headshot damage the harrier still wins, higher damage per shot =/= better damage as the argus cannot one shot anything. In the time it takes you to fire an argus burst you can fire off more harrier rounds, which are more accurate and do better overall damage... your argument is kinda like saying because the revenant does better bullet damage than the typhoon, that the typhoon is an inferior gun. No matter what way you cut it you are wrong, and changing your argument trying to make yourself look less stupid doesn't really work.

The problem is you are making excuses. Every silver player with an attitude on here that I have ever met has some brilliant excuse as to why they aren't good enough to play gold. And its never "I'm not good enough" which is the case here. If you were good enough to play gold all the time, why wouldn't you? Again, you make excuses, blaming other people for your inability to play gold. Childish. I carry gold pugs as an off-host volus vanguard w/ claymore... and it speaks volumes as to your skill level when you are willing to say the argus is better than the harrier when numerically and in terms of in-game performance you are wrong, yet you refuse to rescind upon your earlier falsehoods.

I will reiterate...

Damage per shot and damage per second are two very different things. Under NO curcumstances irrespective of how good at using lolbox360 auto-aim you are, will the argus ever outperform the harrier. Prove me wrong by bringing me a recording of you performing at harrier standard with an argus, or stop making nonsense up.

Why don't you take the valiant instead of the argus? Better damage, it comes with a free scope, its more stable... does better DPS...  has higher damage per shot for all those sweet lolbox 360 auto-aim body shots you will be getting too (not that damage per shot matters much) Even the revenant is a better choice on the destroyer than the argus. You came here to argue the impossible, so please stop; plenty of people have already showed you why you are wrong.

[Astartes Marine]

Annomander wrote...

And with that I'm going to keep ignoring your existence on this board from now on. 

See if you read to the end of my post I realized I was wrong and freely admitted it, but you had to still come off as an arrogant jackass.  Well then sir, kindly ****** off.<_<

[Boog_89]

Argus > Harrier

In ascending alphabetical order.

[BridgeBurner]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote...

Silver has the least in cheap AI tactics, stagger spam, homing rockets, etc etc.  Plus I like experimenting with loadouts, seeing what each weapon can do and how it performs with a certain class rather than just "Human Soldier with Claymore" or "Destroyer with Pirahna".  Silver isn't as restrictive and you can get away with using just about any weapon loadout...except for the Avenger.  There's no saving that piece of crap.<_<

 

Don't hate on the Avenger. I use it on Gold sometimes and do well with it. I guess it just must be one of those weapons like the Argus, that only rewards really skilled players. Not the Avenger's fault you aren't skilled enough to take advantage.

Do you see what I just did there?

And Annomander plays half his games on Gold as a melee volus. Implying that he, or anyone else, only ever plays Gold using top-tier DPS classes is laughable to the say the least.

Excuse me, it's a good 75% you'll probably find....

I'm trying to think when I've ever used an ideal setup for anything...

Fury with claymore and omni-blade built for melee.... no that doesn't count.

How's about melee demolisher specced out of supply pylon... no, not that either.

Volus Engineer with typhoon? Na.

Guess I just am a hipster elitist arrogant jerk as everyone seems to think...

[stysiaq]

Annomander wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote...

Silver has the least in cheap AI tactics, stagger spam, homing rockets, etc etc.  Plus I like experimenting with loadouts, seeing what each weapon can do and how it performs with a certain class rather than just "Human Soldier with Claymore" or "Destroyer with Pirahna".  Silver isn't as restrictive and you can get away with using just about any weapon loadout...except for the Avenger.  There's no saving that piece of crap.<_<

 

Don't hate on the Avenger. I use it on Gold sometimes and do well with it. I guess it just must be one of those weapons like the Argus, that only rewards really skilled players. Not the Avenger's fault you aren't skilled enough to take advantage.

Do you see what I just did there?

And Annomander plays half his games on Gold as a melee volus. Implying that he, or anyone else, only ever plays Gold using top-tier DPS classes is laughable to the say the least.

Excuse me, it's a good 75% you'll probably find....

I'm trying to think when I've ever used an ideal setup for anything...

Fury with claymore and omni-blade built for melee.... no that doesn't count.

How's about melee demolisher specced out of supply pylon... no, not that either.

Volus Engineer with typhoon? Na.

Guess I just am a hipster elitist arrogant jerktastic douchebag as everyone seems to think...

fix'd.

no need to think, it was proven along with IT a long time ago

[Deerber]

Annomander wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote...

Silver has the least in cheap AI tactics, stagger spam, homing rockets, etc etc.  Plus I like experimenting with loadouts, seeing what each weapon can do and how it performs with a certain class rather than just "Human Soldier with Claymore" or "Destroyer with Pirahna".  Silver isn't as restrictive and you can get away with using just about any weapon loadout...except for the Avenger.  There's no saving that piece of crap.<_<

 

Don't hate on the Avenger. I use it on Gold sometimes and do well with it. I guess it just must be one of those weapons like the Argus, that only rewards really skilled players. Not the Avenger's fault you aren't skilled enough to take advantage.

Do you see what I just did there?

And Annomander plays half his games on Gold as a melee volus. Implying that he, or anyone else, only ever plays Gold using top-tier DPS classes is laughable to the say the least.

Excuse me, it's a good 75% you'll probably find....

I'm trying to think when I've ever used an ideal setup for anything...

Fury with claymore and omni-blade built for melee.... no that doesn't count.

How's about melee demolisher specced out of supply pylon... no, not that either.

Volus Engineer with typhoon? Na.

Guess I just am a hipster elitist arrogant jerk as everyone seems to think...

You don't fool me, man, I just saw you sporting a freakin' Eagle on a freakin' human soldier! You even had the courage to put mods on it! You might as well have been missile glitching...

Modifié par Deerber, 16 janvier 2013 - 08:22 .

[BridgeBurner]

I know, I know, I'm sorry.

I'll stop using really OP builds like the H-Sol Eagle and go back to trying to melee banshees as a bright pink human sentinel armed with an explosive rounds disciple + omni-blade.

And for the record the Argus is better than.... the H-Sol w/ Eagle, but only if your name is Feneckus... (Or Sten or Jay, they can definitely outscore the mighty Eagle H-Sol too).



2x H-Sol w/ Eagle (Myself, Deerber)
2x Destroyer w/ Argus+thermal scope, stability (Feneckus, Pasieka / Stysiaq)

Under 19 minutes on London, not bad for a troll game?

Modifié par Annomander, 16 janvier 2013 - 08:29 .

[Astartes Marine]

Lord_Sirian wrote...
Don't hate on the Avenger. I use it on Gold sometimes and do well with it. I guess it just must be one of those weapons like the Argus, that only rewards really skilled players. Not the Avenger's fault you aren't skilled enough to take advantage.

Oh I saw, you're a smartass like you always are.

No amount of mods, amps, character skills, or ammo powers can bring that...thing...up from the pits of hell where it currently resides.  It's an insulting shadow of it's previous better incarnation.

Lord_Sirian wrote...
And
Annomander plays half his games on Gold as a melee volus. Implying that
he, or anyone else, only ever plays Gold using top-tier DPS classes is
laughable to the say the least.

The smug ****** attitude doesn't help.

Modifié par Astartes Marine, 16 janvier 2013 - 08:30 .

[RoundedPlanet88]

Annomander wrote...

I know, I know, I'm sorry.

I'll stop using really OP builds like the H-Sol Eagle and go back to trying to melee banshees as a bright pink human sentinel armed with an explosive rounds disciple + omni-blade.

Hey! thats MY build! My human sentinel(male) has always carried a disciple and been pink, used to be old smartchoke and shotgun blade though. Now its just omniblade and smartchoke.

[RoundedPlanet88]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...
Don't hate on the Avenger. I use it on Gold sometimes and do well with it. I guess it just must be one of those weapons like the Argus, that only rewards really skilled players. Not the Avenger's fault you aren't skilled enough to take advantage.

No amount of mods, amps, character skills, or ammo powers can bring that...thing...up from the pits of hell where it currently resides.  It's an insulting shadow of it's previous better incarnation.

Lord_Sirian wrote...
And
Annomander plays half his games on Gold as a melee volus. Implying that
he, or anyone else, only ever plays Gold using top-tier DPS classes is
laughable to the say the least.

The smug ****** attitude doesn't help.

1st off, TGI avenger is my goto gold PUG trolling build, and the avenger is really actually pretty good if you know what your doing of course.
2nd-really? Pot, kettle much?

[stysiaq]

Annomander wrote...

I know, I know, I'm sorry.

I'll stop using really OP builds like the H-Sol Eagle and go back to trying to melee banshees as a bright pink human sentinel armed with an explosive rounds disciple + omni-blade.

And for the record the Argus is better than.... the H-Sol w/ Eagle, but only if your name is Feneckus... (Or Sten or Jay, they can definitely outscore the mighty Eagle H-Sol too).



2x H-Sol w/ Eagle (Myself, Deerber)
2x Destroyer w/ Argus+thermal scope, stability (Feneckus, Pasieka / Stysiaq)

Under 19 minutes on London, not bad for a troll game?

wait, it was a troll game? It's a true death squad!

[BridgeBurner]

RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

Annomander wrote...

I know, I know, I'm sorry.

I'll stop using really OP builds like the H-Sol Eagle and go back to trying to melee banshees as a bright pink human sentinel armed with an explosive rounds disciple + omni-blade.

Hey! thats MY build! My human sentinel(male) has always carried a disciple and been pink, used to be old smartchoke and shotgun blade though. Now its just omniblade and smartchoke.

Rounded, when are you going to learn that I am the progenitor of all things melee.

[Xeraphas]

I would like to add that, Valkyrie COULD compete if it was easier to get and max out. It has a little more damage than the Harrier and slightly better accuracy and balance than the Argus.

Another good stand in, is the Hurricane. If you add the stability mod, stability options in training (if available), and/or stabilizing consumables, it is capable of getting head shots even at fairly distant targets. It works best on a destroyer or a Turian or maybe even a Quarian.

[RoundedPlanet88]

Annomander wrote...

RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

Annomander wrote...

I know, I know, I'm sorry.

I'll stop using really OP builds like the H-Sol Eagle and go back to trying to melee banshees as a bright pink human sentinel armed with an explosive rounds disciple + omni-blade.

Hey! thats MY build! My human sentinel(male) has always carried a disciple and been pink, used to be old smartchoke and shotgun blade though. Now its just omniblade and smartchoke.

Rounded, when are you going to learn that I am the progenitor of all things melee.

Maybe all things melee, but I am the progenitor of all builds involving a disciple. I honestly don`t think you can name a single class I haven`t played it on. Kroguard with disciple is an incredibly entertaning way to troll you btw

[BridgeBurner]

Lord_Sirian wrote...
People who live in glass houses... 

...shouldn't play volus vanguard!

amirite?

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

Annomander wrote...


*snip*

2x Destroyer w/ Argus+thermal scope, stability (Feneckus, Pasieka / Stysiaq)

The horror, the horror!

Xeraphas wrote...

I would like to add that, Valkyrie COULD compete if it was easier to get and max out. It has a little more damage than the Harrier and slightly better accuracy and balance than the Argus.

Another good stand in, is the Hurricane. If you add the stability mod, stability options in training (if available), and/or stabilizing consumables, it is capable of getting head shots even at fairly distant targets. It works best on a destroyer or a Turian or maybe even a Quarian.

A Valkyrie X will never hold a candle to a Harrier X or Hurricane X. Fact.

Modifié par Jay_Hoxtatron, 16 janvier 2013 - 08:37 .