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Débuté par Gamer Ftw , janv. 15 2013 08:39

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Posté 15 janvier 2013 - 08:39

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 Did many people turn him in because he thought Jowan had betrayed the mages by hooking up with a chantry sister?
I wasn't upset by the blood magic just that.:sick:
I was disappointed the dialogue from Irving and Duncan seemed to indicate that you turned him in out of loyalty to the circle instead of any other number of reasons.

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Posté 15 janvier 2013 - 08:58

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You know, my usual reaction to any thread that asks, "Has anyone else ever..." is to think, "YES! Yes, somewhere out there in the great wide world, SOMEONE else has picked one of the same menu options as you."

Props for making me rethink that position.

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Posté 15 janvier 2013 - 09:02

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I have never heard of anyone reasoning it that way,So I wondered.
This question has nothing to do with menu options it has to do with the reasoning behind the characters actions
Thanks for being unpleasant though, it makes reinforces my low opinion of humanity :D

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Posté 16 janvier 2013 - 11:45

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Gamer Ftw wrote...

 Did many people turn him in because he thought Jowan had betrayed the mages by hooking up with a chantry sister?
I wasn't upset by the blood magic just that.:sick:
I was disappointed the dialogue from Irving and Duncan seemed to indicate that you turned him in out of loyalty to the circle instead of any other number of reasons.



Nope and hes still alive in my games. Bit of Trivia he was origenaly going to be a full companion for the mage when during a certain stage in development each origin had a unique party member that would join them.

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Posté 16 janvier 2013 - 06:37

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Gamer Ftw wrote...

 Did many people turn him in because he thought Jowan had betrayed the mages by hooking up with a chantry sister?
I wasn't upset by the blood magic just that.:sick:
I was disappointed the dialogue from Irving and Duncan seemed to indicate that you turned him in out of loyalty to the circle instead of any other number of reasons.


As far as I can recall, the mage origin can turn out a number of ways. Irving and Duncan's dialogue plays out slightly differently if you go and tell Irving about Jowan and Lily's plan before you go searching for the phylactery. It plays out as though you've betrayed Jowan if you did, and betrayed the Circle if you did not.

Modifié par Ferretinabun, 16 janvier 2013 - 06:38 .

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Posté 16 janvier 2013 - 09:53

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I have never heard of anybody deciding their character would do this for that reason. My two were "because he's going to get caught anyway" and "because I'm that much of a dick."

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Posté 16 janvier 2013 - 11:02

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I never would have thought of it that way. I personally think selling out a fellow mage to the templars is an even bigger betrayal to mages than him sleeping with a sister (who apparently can't keep her knees closed), but to each their own.

You can just assume Irving and Duncan are so obsessed with duty and honor that they just assumed you did what you did out of loyalty to them instead of having your own reasons. I personally always try to save Jowan because my characters consider him a friend, but then authorative figures immediately consider it a betrayal of the Circle. No matter what you do, they make it all about the Circle even if it's the last thing on your mind.

Modifié par Faerunner, 16 janvier 2013 - 11:03 .

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Posté 16 janvier 2013 - 11:05

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Fae,they actually say they think you did it out of duty.
Also my character wanted to be a warden or fight in the war and helping Jowan might have screwed that up.
Plus my charcater saw him as more of a weak willed puppy than a friend.
Like the loser guy always following the more popular one.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 16 janvier 2013 - 11:08 .

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Posté 17 janvier 2013 - 02:10

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Gamer Ftw wrote...

Fae,they actually say they think you did it out of duty.


Okay, so they think your character did it out of duty. Who cares? Doesn't mean your character did it, it means these characters misinterpreted your character's actions to be about them and their priorities without considering any alternate reasons.

Also my character wanted to be a warden or fight in the war and helping Jowan might have screwed that up.
Plus my charcater saw him as more of a weak willed puppy than a friend.
Like the loser guy always following the more popular one.


That's not the reason you gave before. Regardless, it doesn't matter what anyone here thinks. Your character betrayed their childhood friend who trusted them and came to them for help for their own reasons, so you should stand by it. That's the beauty of role-playing.

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Posté 17 janvier 2013 - 02:28

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One can't have more than one reason?
wasn't aware of your rigid plot rules.
Who says Jowan was a friend?
Just because he saw himself that way doesn't mean he was.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 17 janvier 2013 - 02:29 .

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Posté 17 janvier 2013 - 02:34

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Gamer Ftw wrote...

One can't have more than one reason?
wasn't aware of your rigid plot rules.


You didn't mention it before, so you lose the right to get snippy at me for not knowing.

Who says Jowan was a friend?
Just because he saw himself that way doesn't mean he was.


And just because your character wasn't worthy of his trust doesn't mean your character didn't betray it by turning him in to Irving. Considering your character cooler than him doesn't exactly give your character the moral high ground for that betrayal either.

Modifié par Faerunner, 17 janvier 2013 - 02:35 .

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Posté 17 janvier 2013 - 02:44

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Nah,he betrayed all the mages,he deserved what he got.
My character owned Jowan no loyalty,he was a hanger on not a friend and being such a screw up endangered all the other mages.
I don't disapprove of blood magic but him being stupid enough to get caught was idiotic and selfish.
Do you think the templars would think he was the only blood mage?
No,the others in the tower would suffer for his actions.
He deserves whatever he gets.
He was more than willing to risk his so called "friend" getting straight up murdered by templars or sent to Aeonar.

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Posté 17 janvier 2013 - 09:34

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I turned him in as it was clearly a "this is the only way to further the story thing", and in general I'd want my ass covered in that sort of situation. If neither turning him in nor helping him get his phylactory was an option I'd be all over it.

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Posté 17 janvier 2013 - 11:37

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Jowan was the bestest mage in the whole mage tower. And he was genuinely contrite at Redcliffe. How could you not forgive him all his trespasses?

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Posté 17 janvier 2013 - 05:44

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Gamer Ftw wrote...

Nah,he betrayed all the mages,he deserved what he got.
My character owned Jowan no loyalty,he was a hanger on not a friend and being such a screw up endangered all the other mages.
I don't disapprove of blood magic but him being stupid enough to get caught was idiotic and selfish.
Do you think the templars would think he was the only blood mage?
No,the others in the tower would suffer for his actions.
He deserves whatever he gets.


Whoa, settle down princess. You asked whether people did what your character did or not and I told you why I didn't. Why care what I think? It's your character, you can do whatever you want. Although I do have to like how you keep adding new ostensibly selfless motivations for your character every time I make a comment.

He was more than willing to risk his so called "friend" getting straight up murdered by templars or sent to Aeonar.


And your character is willing to ensure that he is straight up murdered by templars or sent to Aeonar or get made Tranquil for self-gain. And your character accuses him of betraying fellow mages for sleeping with a mere sister when your character turns a fellow mage into the bloody templars for self-gain. (Not including all the motivations you add after.) It's your character, you can do whatever you want, nuts to what I think, but if you want to convince me your character is morally superior for this motivation, you're barking up the wrong tree.

Modifié par Faerunner, 17 janvier 2013 - 05:45 .

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Posté 17 janvier 2013 - 08:01

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I think less of you for insulting my masculinity to make a point.
However, to me a big factor in turning him in is getting the sister who manipulated him in trouble as well.
I hated her from the beginning.
And it wasn't entirely for self gain,he was too stupid to be trusted with blood magic,and would end up causing trouble for other mages.
Or getting people slaughtered by attracting demons.
I even had him executed later after the blood magic ritual to save Connor.
Note,I didn't turn him in in every playthrough though.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 17 janvier 2013 - 08:04 .

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Posté 19 janvier 2013 - 08:41

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Gamer FTW is trolling you

Theres no way to talk to someone who takes the view "Despite factual evidence on hand im going to make up my own game plot and events because its how I want to Roleplay."

www.youtube.com/watch
Funny Side Discussion about Jowan and the Mage Origin.


Also keep in mind the Jowan and Mage Origin plays out differant plot wise if your a Female mage since Jowan and Cullen can be approached about romantic options.

Modifié par Last Darkness, 19 janvier 2013 - 08:43 .

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Gamer Ftw
Posté 19 janvier 2013 - 09:09

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Not trolling just have a different opinion.
Jowan was a crap mage.
And find one place where it says Jowan was a close friend that isn't stated by Jowan himself..
Of course he wants you to be his friend cause he's weak.
But he really just wants to use you for your power.
That vid is epic lol.
Creeper Jowan.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 19 janvier 2013 - 09:16 .

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