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[Wayning_Star]

Leem_0001 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Leem_0001 wrote...

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If the Reapers are the harvested then how can we be the harvested? And how exactly are the reapers the harvested? Yes they are a tool of the AI, but that doesn't make them the harvested. A combine harvester isn't harvested by its driver.

I'm sick of the word harvested.

Just...no.

It doesn't matter what title the Reapers give it - if our bodies are melted down into a liquid then we are dead. That is still applicable in the ME universe.

If someone melts us, they make us dead. If someone melts us, they killed us. It doesn't matter what label its given.

It were never stated that the reapers themselves were harvested? That is a unique thought tho..

You are different, but it would take 'being harvested' to really know and actually decide what it is. We do know that the intellect of the harvested compose the reaper intellect, some how, so they do have identity. When you destroy a reaper completely, then you destroy or actually "kill" those within. That's a fact of lore.

Um, you said that:

Not in the MEU, apparently. Giving harvested the name of killing doesn't make it different. Our perception of it is irrelevant. The reapers have purpose, we don't like that purpose, cause we're the harvestee's,but it doesn't change the face of the evidence that harvest isn't killing, as the reapers themselves are the harvested. Kind of hard to think of it that way, makes it necessary to save the reapers themselves from the stupid catalyst..who designed and built them AS prisons. Shep cops many 'different' attitudes about it in the story, dragging fans along with them. Then, meets the cat and THEN, it's all out of the bag.

Yes the Reapers gain the inellect some how, but it is implied, I believe, that is through the genetic code.

If a body is melted, it is dead. The person no longer exists.

Oh, I see what you mean, thats not what I meant, in  that reference. The reaperships contains the 'essence' as they call it in the MEU to what an indentity, or being would comprise. The genetic code is another posters theory of their identity, which isn't actuallly the same thing as their 'being'. The reaperships some how contain the harvested intellect/society/races in mechanical volumes and tap that as a resource for computation and limited identity. But the base construction materials are used for hulls and hardware. The harvested/collected DNA is store for other purposes, we're not informe of (yet?).

 Sheps body was irreparibly damaged in the planet fall, but with undisclosed reaper/or some other tech, resurrected with identity/being,etc...completely intact. Javiks' body was 'contained' for thousands of years to 'wake up' on command. So the idea of 'dead' takes extremely new meaning in the MEU. You have to keep an open mind when referencing 'killed' in the MEU (science fiction for that matter .

[Leem_0001]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Leem_0001 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Leem_0001 wrote...

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If the Reapers are the harvested then how can we be the harvested? And how exactly are the reapers the harvested? Yes they are a tool of the AI, but that doesn't make them the harvested. A combine harvester isn't harvested by its driver.

I'm sick of the word harvested.

Just...no.

It doesn't matter what title the Reapers give it - if our bodies are melted down into a liquid then we are dead. That is still applicable in the ME universe.

If someone melts us, they make us dead. If someone melts us, they killed us. It doesn't matter what label its given.

It were never stated that the reapers themselves were harvested? That is a unique thought tho..

You are different, but it would take 'being harvested' to really know and actually decide what it is. We do know that the intellect of the harvested compose the reaper intellect, some how, so they do have identity. When you destroy a reaper completely, then you destroy or actually "kill" those within. That's a fact of lore.

Um, you said that:

Not in the MEU, apparently. Giving harvested the name of killing doesn't make it different. Our perception of it is irrelevant. The reapers have purpose, we don't like that purpose, cause we're the harvestee's,but it doesn't change the face of the evidence that harvest isn't killing, as the reapers themselves are the harvested. Kind of hard to think of it that way, makes it necessary to save the reapers themselves from the stupid catalyst..who designed and built them AS prisons. Shep cops many 'different' attitudes about it in the story, dragging fans along with them. Then, meets the cat and THEN, it's all out of the bag.

Yes the Reapers gain the inellect some how, but it is implied, I believe, that is through the genetic code.

If a body is melted, it is dead. The person no longer exists.

Oh, I see what you mean, thats not what I meant, in  that reference. The reaperships contains the 'essence' as they call it in the MEU to what an indentity, or being would comprise. The genetic code is another posters theory of their identity, which isn't actuallly the same thing as their 'being'. The reaperships some how contain the harvested intellect/society/races in mechanical volumes and tap that as a resource for computation and limited identity. But the base construction materials are used for hulls and hardware. The harvested/collected DNA is store for other purposes, we're not informe of (yet?).

 Sheps body was irreparibly damaged in the planet fall, but with undisclosed reaper/or some other tech, resurrected with identity/being,etc...completely intact. Javiks' body was 'contained' for thousands of years to 'wake up' on command. So the idea of 'dead' takes extremely new meaning in the MEU. You have to keep an open mind when referencing 'killed' in the MEU (science fiction for that matter .

Again, it is just getting bogged down by wording. I do see what you are getting at but if a civilisation ceases to continue, if all that is left is some memories stored in this AI machine, then the civilisation, the people, and the race no longer exists.

The Reapers call it Harvesting, we call it killing. Regardless races and civilisations from the previous cycles no longer exist.

When corn is harvested, it can be turned into food. The gentic make up is altered and as it is consumed - well, you know what happens. The make up is changed shall we say. So the orignial corn in essense no longer exists.

All this talk of differentiating between being killed and being harvested is just nitpicky for the sake of it. There is nothing withn ME as far as I know that says the individuality of the person who is melted lives on.

[Leem_0001]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Leem_0001 wrote...

How can the Catalyst claim that synthetics will destry ALL organics? In the ME universe that is impossible. Organic life springs up everywhere, again and again, and evolves, as proven by the cycles etc. A synthetic race could never destroy all organic life as there is too much of it.

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Actually, once you achieved space superiority it would be trivially easy using armed Von Neumann probes.

It has been theorized that a self-replicating starship utilizing relatively conventional theoretical methods of interstellar travel (i.e., no exotic faster-than-light propulsion such as "warp drive", and speeds limited to an "average cruising speed" of 0.1c.) could spread throughout a galaxy the size of the Milky Way in as little as half a million years.

Leem_0001 wrote...
Even if it destroyed only the most advanced civilisations then...well, isn't that just what the Reapers are doing? So why are the Reapers needed? The logic doesn't work on that front.

The Reapers seem to allow society to develop to a certain point; a hostile synthetic superintelligence may decide not to allow that.  So in that sense, the Reaper solution is superior if your goal is to ensure the continuation of organic civilisation.

Leem_0001 wrote...
Secondly, why does it think the synthetics would WANT to destroy ALL organic life? From memory in Leviathan (and I only watched it on Youtube - am not paying for anymore BW stuff until I see improvement) we are told the Leviathans created the AI as they saw some of the lesser races destroyed by the synthetics they created. But it only destroyed the race that created it. Not any others. Not the Leviathans. So where is the proof that synthetics will automatically want to exterminate all organic life? There is none. Why would they want to, what purpose would it serve? If they rebell agains their creators to gain freedom, okay, but why then march through the galaxy to wipe out everything else? What then? There is no proof that any Synthetics have gone on this galaxy wide rampage or that they ever would. So the logic doesn't work on that front.

The reasoning is that, should a synthetic superintelligence develop, it will have the capability to destroy us (since its superior intelligence would give it an insurmountable advantage should it decide the galaxy is better off without us).

Since it is more intelligent than us, we cannot predict its actions. 

We therefore have to assign probabilities to the outcome of it deciding to go hostile.  If the probability we assign it is greater than 0% (which seems sensible) then, if you project out for long enough, the chance of it becoming hostile and destroying all organics approaches 100%.

This is why some people believe that the future of life is synthetic, and that if we ever encounter aliens they will be synthetics.

Leem_0001 wrote...
And to touch on what people are saying about 'yes, there may be a peace between Quarian and Geth, but they could go to war again.'

True.

They could then make peace again. Any Synthetic that goes to war with Organic (and vice versa) could then make peace, go to war again, and make peace again. That is just the nature of life. It is in a constant state of flux. Why does synthetic or organic even come into it?

The presence of synthetics is inevitable even after an organic victory, since future generations of organics will always create synthetics to assist them.

The presence of organics after a synthetic victory is not assured.  The synthetics may simply decide we are too dangerous to be allowed possession of WMDs again, and wipe the galaxy clean of organic civilisation via the above mentioned Von Neumann probes.

So no organic victory will be permanent.  However any synthetic victory could turn permanent.  Again if you game this out over a long enough time frame, you will always end up in a galaxy without organics.

This is why the Reapers routinely halt and reset organic civilisation.

I am aware of the Von Neumann probe theroy - but it is just that - a theory. A theory we have now but not played out in the ME Universe.  And you will also note the response to this theory that any intelligent life would not develop them because anything like this would likely result in all mass being enveloped by them. Ie - the whole galaxy is in the mire. They would not stop at just organics either, but other synthetics. So I would argue that these would not be developed for that reason.

However, we are talking about the ME Universe here. And from what we have seen, and been told, the closest thing we have seen to this all consuming hostile AI bent on wiping out ALL organic life is the Reapers themselves.

You mention the fact that synthetic life should be much more intelligent (true) - but this doesn't really mean that it will extinguish organic life completely. This all conquering singularity that wants to wipe out all organic life has not happened (the closest is the Reapers). Think about it, if AI were heading this way it would take less time than the Geth have been in existence to reach the decision that it wants all orgnaic life gone. Intelligence levels should, theoretically, multiply in increase exponentially. The ME Universe doesn't show it that way. Indeed, organics have been shown to be able to beat Synthetics.

So, within the confines of the lore, I stand behind the notion that the ending to the game, and the writing in ME3 in general is poor.

The topics that are being brought up here are fascinating, truely, and they are ideas that can (and have) make for suberb ficiton.

The problem is, here they have not been properly thought through and shoehorned in where they don't fit.

Modifié par Leem_0001, 16 janvier 2013 - 04:42 .

[Foxhound2121]

sound great and everything until you realize that they stole the ending from Dues Ex.

[Wayning_Star]

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Again, it is just getting bogged down by wording. I do see what you are getting at but if a civilisation ceases to continue, if all that is left is some memories stored in this AI machine, then the civilisation, the people, and the race no longer exists.

The Reapers call it Harvesting, we call it killing. Regardless races and civilisations from the previous cycles no longer exist.

When corn is harvested, it can be turned into food. The gentic make up is altered and as it is consumed - well, you know what happens. The make up is changed shall we say. So the orignial corn in essense no longer exists.

All this talk of differentiating between being killed and being harvested is just nitpicky for the sake of it. There is nothing withn ME as far as I know that says the individuality of the person who is melted lives on.[/quote]

Well, the lore is that the reapers are based on those that are harvested, even to the point of being independent of the catalyst. Each reapership has their own personality, with one main purpose controlling that personality. So indeed those people/races lives on within each reapership. There is no probablity to any theory that relies on the reapers to just be predatory with no other purposes but to survive nature. The catalyst doesn't care in the least what shep does in the end either. So the idea that organics are just corn compliments the catalyst arguement about the schism between synthetic intellect and organic intellect. It was created by the organic leviathan to find a cure for this. They reflected that it were doing just that,eventhough it harvested their race for starters. There is no evidence that any individual is killed by harvest either. Even if melted down for parts, their identity still exists within reaper hulls,along with their DNA, that could be considered their bodies in limbo. Face it, medical care in the MEU is rather advanced...

Each society is considered an individual in the MEU as well as each individual. I see no merit in disbanding an entire civilization to compare it's value to one individual entity, in the scope of the struggle within the MEU?

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 16 janvier 2013 - 05:06 .

[CronoDragoon]

Edit, wrong thread.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 16 janvier 2013 - 05:03 .

[Leem_0001]

[quote]Wayning_Star wrote...

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Again, it is just getting bogged down by wording. I do see what you are getting at but if a civilisation ceases to continue, if all that is left is some memories stored in this AI machine, then the civilisation, the people, and the race no longer exists.

The Reapers call it Harvesting, we call it killing. Regardless races and civilisations from the previous cycles no longer exist.

When corn is harvested, it can be turned into food. The gentic make up is altered and as it is consumed - well, you know what happens. The make up is changed shall we say. So the orignial corn in essense no longer exists.

All this talk of differentiating between being killed and being harvested is just nitpicky for the sake of it. There is nothing withn ME as far as I know that says the individuality of the person who is melted lives on.[/quote]

Well, the lore is that the reapers are based on those that are harvested, even to the point of being independent of the catalyst. Each reapership has their own personality, with one main purpose controlling that personality. So indeed those people/races lives on within each reapership. There is no probablity to any theory that relies on the reapers to just be preditory with no other purposes but to survive nature. The catalyst doesn't care in the least what shep does in the end either. So the idea that organics are just corn compliments the catalyst arguement about the schism between synthetic intellect and organic intellect. It was created by the organic leviathan to find a cure for this. They reflected that it were doing just that,eventhough it harvested their race for starters. There is no evidence that any individual is killed by harvest either. Even if melted down for parts, their identity still exists within reaper hulls,along with their DNA, that could be considered their bodies in limbo. Face it, medical care in the MEU is rather advanced...

Each society is considered an individual in the MEU as well as each individual. I see no merit in disbanding an entire civilization to compare it's value to one individual entity, in the scope of the struggle within the MEU?[/quote]

We will definately have to agree to disagree on this point then. Its too much of a leap to say they exist in limbo, we have no way of knowing that at all. To me it is heavily implied that a persons conciousness and being, for lack of a better term, is not carried over. Reapers simply access the genetic code for information.

Again, we will just have to have different viewpoints in this. Nothing wrong with that.

[Robhuzz]

I wouldn't even call the star child's ramblings 'logic' because it clearly isn't.

Organic evolution is chaos...alright this is what sovereign said and it's true. Organics develop and evolve in different ways, not according to a predefined pattern, thus.. it is chaotic. Something being chaotic means it's also impossible to accurately predict what's going to happen. This is logic. Check.

Now in comes mr star kid and it tells us that all organics capable of spaceflight need to be killed so they don't create synthetics that... kill everyone. Yeah... makes total sense.

Then he goes around saying that ALL organics who master spaceflight and find the mass relays will ALWAYS create synthetics (wait... organic evolution is chaos.. you just said that, and being chaotic nothing is certain so you cannot speak in absolutes) and those synthetics will ALWAYS be more advanced than their organic creators. It WILL result in war and the synthetics will then ALWAYS destroy all organic species.

Speaking in absolutes is great and it makes you seem like an authority but wrong from the very start. It's also convenient since you only need to disprove ONE of its points to make the entire statement invalid. The Geth didn't destroy the Quarians thus the star kid's 'logic' doesn't apply. All of what it has just said can go straight into the garbage bin. No science needed, nothing 'above our comprehension', it's just plain stupid and most importantly, wrong.

ETA: Never mind all that comes after it. Its *lol* solution. The magic crucible. Turning people into reapers somehow preserves them. Using reapers as tools of war etc etc... Ugh I'm getting a headache just thinking about that ridiculous ending...

Modifié par Robhuzz, 16 janvier 2013 - 05:44 .

[CronoDragoon]

Robhuzz wrote...
Now in comes mr star kid and it tells us that all organics capable of spaceflight need to be killed so they don't create synthetics that... kill everyone. Yeah... makes total sense.

This particular point actually makes sense if you characterize it as it is properly conveyed in-game.

The hitch with the Catalyst's programming is that it sees Reaper-form as preserving organics. The scenario the Catalyst is trying to prevent is the utter annilihation of a species such that everything about it (culture and genetic data primarily) are erased and lost to the cosmos. Reapers prevent THIS scenario. The Catalyst understands this situation in terms of data, like a synthetic understandably would.

Then he goes around saying that ALL organics who master spaceflight and find the mass relays will ALWAYS create synthetics (wait... organic evolution is chaos.. you just said that, and being chaotic nothing is certain so you cannot speak in absolutes) and those synthetics will ALWAYS be more advanced than their organic creators. It WILL result in war and the synthetics will then ALWAYS destroy all organic species.

Speaking in absolutes is great and it makes you seem like an authority but wrong from the very start. It's also convenient since you only need to disprove ONE of its points to make the entire statement invalid. The Geth didn't destroy the Quarians thus the star kid's 'logic' doesn't apply. All of what it has just said can go straight into the garbage bin. No science needed, nothing 'above our comprehension', it's just plain stupid and most importantly, wrong.

Two things here. One, great point about the contradiction of predicting chaos in absolutes. But two is that the geth do not disprove any of the Catalyst's statements. The geth DID rebel against their creators (that is was the quarians' fault is irrelevant to this proof) and it doesn't necessarily have to be the geth that wipe out all organic life for his statement about the certainty of that eventuality to hold.

[tonnactus]

Organics could always choose to become Cyborgs to keep up with synthetic progress anyway .

[thebigbad1013]

Just because something is horribly idiotic doesn't mean that it is "beyond our comprehension". The whole "I created these synthetics to kill you now so you aren't killed by synthetics later" is not hard to comprehend, it really is just plain stupid.

[Meltemph]

But two is that the geth do not disprove any of the Catalyst's statements. The geth DID rebel against their creators (that is was the quarians' fault is irrelevant to this proof) and it doesn't necessarily have to be the geth that wipe out all organic life for his statement about the certainty of that eventuality to hold.

Predicting something with happen(the destruction of all organics life) without it ever happening, is a guess, the galaxy could collapse on itself, and the dangers to that are probably more real, yet they didnt do anything to stop that.

Honestly, I don't think the moral of the story is a tech singularity(after they introduced Leviathan) if anything the moral of the story is control and freedom, seeing as the whole problem started under a regime that dominated all life forms and forced them to serve them. What was born out of this was the madness that arrogance can bring, and decided to find a solution to a theoretical problem and one propagated by the culture of rule they brought with them.

[Meltemph]

bigbad1013 wrote...

Just because something is horribly idiotic doesn't mean that it is "beyond our comprehension". The whole "I created these synthetics to kill you now so you aren't killed by synthetics later" is not hard to comprehend, it really is just plain stupid.

You missed the caveate that some here think is SUPER IMPORTANT!  They kill you, so your synthetics dont kill everyone... robotic-theology is so much fun.

[Dessalines]

It doesn't make any sense: Without the relays, no synthetic or organic could kill off the entire galaxy. The reapers are the ones that built that the Relays. Now change the technology for a moment. What if someone said to keep humans from burning themselves up with fire, I am going to use this flame thrower on them. Oh, by the way, I am the one that left them a guide on how to make fire..

I could teach them about fire prevention, how to respect the dangers of fire, or bunch of other solutions to keep them from getting burned, but instead I come up with burning them with my trusted flame thrower.

[CaptainZaysh]

Dess: ships can travel at 12ly/day without using the relays. At that speed you could leave Sol at lunch time and arrive in Proxima Centauri in time for dinner. The relays are not necessary to traverse the galaxy.

[TangentialShark]

The Leviathan created the Catalyst to solve any/all problems they could not solve themselves. The Catalyst makes it very clear that the main problem the Leviathans encountered is that all the sentient species they controlled would always build synthetics to aid in daily life but eventually the synthetics would betray their creators and destroy them. The Catalyst analyzed ALL variables and concluded that the ONLY solution was to harvest all sentient-organic life in the galaxy BEFORE the synthetics they created could completely destroy them and end the cycle of all organic life in the Milky Way. The Catalyst determined that the Leviathans themselves were part of the problem and proceeded to harvest most of their civilization and in doing so created the first reaper named Harbinger. If the reapers do not harvest all sentient life then we are doomed to destroy ourselves and the future of ALL organic life forever. The reapers are the solution because they destroy us before we can destroy ourselves and they allow for the next generation of sentient life to prosper until they too must be harvested for the next generation and so on. Even if the Quarians were able to destroy the Geth it does NOT disprove the Catalyst's statements because who is to say many years in the future they will decide to create more synthetics and they also turn? The Catalyst does not mention when organics will be overrun by synthetics he simply states that it WILL HAPPEN eventually no matter how perfect an organic civilization has become. Everything the Catalyst says is very clear and only people in denial can find an argument to compete with this logic.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

The Catalyst's logic makes perfect sense.

[CaptainZaysh]

Meltemph wrote...
Predicting something with happen(the destruction of all organics life) without it ever happening, is a guess,

Yes, this is the nature of threat prevention.  If you wait until after the event happens you are pretty f**king stupid, especially when the event we're talking about is the destruction of all organic life.

Meltemph wrote...
the galaxy could collapse on itself, and the dangers to that are probably more real, yet they didnt do anything to stop that.

Supposition.  They may well have taken action to stop that.  However, that's not the Catalyst's job: it's not there to prevent every catastrophe.  It's there to prevent this catastrophe.

[RiptideX1090]

This is the same trick the Wachowskis pulled on us with the Architect scene.

"You are human, and thus some of my answers you will understand and some you will not."

This is effectively them giving themselves a get out of jail free card because hey, if you don't understand it, that's okay, that's just how smart the scene is.

The Reapers being unknowable was fine for the first game.

It does not fly at the end, where they introduce a new character and a new problem that needs to be solved. For us to make a proper decision, we need to be able to understand it.

[CaptainZaysh]

Leem_0001 wrote...

Its too much of a leap to say they exist in limbo, we have no way of knowing that at all. To me it is heavily implied that a persons conciousness and being, for lack of a better term, is not carried over. Reapers simply access the genetic code for information.

Again, we will just have to have different viewpoints in this. Nothing wrong with that.

What do you think of the "It was lonely.  It called to us" cut text?

[CaptainZaysh]

bigbad1013 wrote...

The whole "I created these synthetics to kill you now so you aren't killed by synthetics later" is not hard to comprehend, it really is just plain stupid.

Good thing that's not what they were doing.  Let me help.

"I created these synthetics to harvest you now so organic civilisation isn't wiped out by synthetics later"

[RiptideX1090]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

bigbad1013 wrote...

The whole "I created these synthetics to kill you now so you aren't killed by synthetics later" is not hard to comprehend, it really is just plain stupid.

Good thing that's not what they were doing.  Let me help.

"I created these synthetics to harvest you now so organic civilisation isn't wiped out by synthetics later"

As Legion points out, if you alter someone's mind, is it not dead?

Harvested or outright murdered, the races the Reapers absorbed are no longer those races, they're Reapers. Their perspectives, their beliefs are all gone, they have no souls, replaced by tech.

So yes, they are killing organics with synthetics to save them from being killed by synthetics. It's idiot logic.

[CaptainZaysh]

Rip, that started off as an incredibly interesting contribution.  I found myself wanting to talk with you about the nature of life and death, and crucially how the antagonist – an alien AI – might perceive this philosophical issue, right up until this bit:

RiptideX1090 wrote...

It's idiot logic.

Which made me think that there really is no point in discussing anything with you at all, since you appear to have convinced yourself that anybody who draws a different conclusion from you about when a person can truly be considered "dead" is not just wrong but is an idiot.

Modifié par CaptainZaysh, 16 janvier 2013 - 09:01 .

[TangentialShark]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

bigbad1013 wrote...

The whole "I created these synthetics to kill you now so you aren't killed by synthetics later" is not hard to comprehend, it really is just plain stupid.

Good thing that's not what they were doing.  Let me help.

"I created these synthetics to harvest you now so organic civilisation isn't wiped out by synthetics later"

As Legion points out, if you alter someone's mind, is it not dead?

Harvested or outright murdered, the races the Reapers absorbed are no longer those races, they're Reapers. Their perspectives, their beliefs are all gone, they have no souls, replaced by tech.

So yes, they are killing organics with synthetics to save them from being killed by synthetics. It's idiot logic.

If the Reapers were to never exist then organics would build synthetics and eventually the synthetics would betray their creators.  The synthetics would win and the final outcome would eventually be a galaxy with NO organic life whatsoever because synthetics have taken over.  The Reapers are able to disrupt this cycle by destroying organics BEFORE synthetics of our own creation can destroy us and prevent any more organic life in the future.  Reapers destroy us NOW so more organics can live in the FUTURE.  The Reapers have the existance of Organic life as their goal but apparently you cannot see this.

[Meltemph]

Yes, this is the nature of threat prevention. If you wait until after the event happens you are pretty f**king stupid, especially when the event we're talking about is the destruction of all organic life.

We are not talking about an educated guess, we are literally talking about something that has never happened and no proof of it being able to happen. Just random fear mongering from people who dont even understand the theory to begin with and why it has so many issues.

Just because I can make up some plausible gobbledygook, doesn't make it a reality. Making an improvable and irrefutable claim is just nonsensical along the lines of saying, God is real for a fact because you feel it.

However, that's not the Catalyst's job: it's not there to prevent every catastrophe. It's there to prevent this catastrophe.

No, it was created to keep Leviathans thralls alive and apparently the Leviathan are quite bad at making robots.