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"[Legion] and the Geth were backed into a corner. They'd been made a lot dumber by the attack on the Dyson swarm. There was no other choice for Geth survival."


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Indy_S wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Blaming the Geth for siding with the reapers is the same for blaming a mentally retarded child for trusting the kidnapper.


Except Legion testified against the Reapers and the Geth believed him.


After which the retardification happens.

An example from another videogame. Dante Moro was an upright soldier in the Venitian guard in Assassins Creed II. The corrupt Doge of Venice lusted after his wife so one day he has a fight with him. All of Dante's associates are killed and Dante himself is left with a knife wedged in his skull. He survives the attack but is left with a mind of a child. The Doge convinces him to divorce his wife and even more, recruits him as his bodyguard. So, is all this Dante's fault? that he divorced his wife and sided witha corrupt man?

Modifié par pirate1802, 16 janvier 2013 - 01:55 .


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Kyrene wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

...wrongful (and distasteful) edit of GimmeDaGun's original post snipped...


That's what you sound like. IMO*

Wow?!? Really?!? Playing the 'race card' in such a terri-bad analogy?!? Way to lose an argument/debate there even before you began...

Kudos to Gimme for not taking you seriously after that, or responding in kind.

* added by me



Let him be! Obviously he tried to prove my point wrong (which of course is debatable, and I'm all up for it) by the good old *insert whatever* accusation card. Very offensive if you ask me, but what can I do? I have to let it slide: I told him what I thought about this kind of thinking and behaviour, but I don't mean to fall so low to start throwing similar kind of rubbish at him. 

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pirate1802 wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Blaming the Geth for siding with the reapers is the same for blaming a mentally retarded child for trusting the kidnapper.


Except Legion testified against the Reapers and the Geth believed him.


After which the retardification happens.

An example from another videogame. Dante Moro was an upright soldier in the Venitian guard in Assassins Creed II. The corrupt Doge of Venice lusted after his wife so one day he has a fight with him. All of Dante's associates are killed and Dante himself is left with a knife wedged in his skull. He survives the attack but is left with a mind of a child. The Doge convinces him to divorce his wife and even more, recruits him as his bodyguard. So, is all this Dante's fault? that he divorced his wife and sided witha corrupt man?


Yeah, then why do they still insist on uploading the reaper code when they finally by the help of Shepard and Tali they get rid of it and don't need it anymore? They could have offered peace without the reaper code if they wanted to (the quarians would stop anyway if Shepard, Tali and Koris could convince Han'Gerrel...but no, Legion or the other geth VI insists). Also letting Legion to upload the enemy's code to the geth consensus is a huge leap of faith and also knowing the given the circumstances (reaper war, indoctrination) it is insane. Also if you side with them and the quarians attack, they mercilessly butcher every single quarian, not even giving them a chance. Typical, thorough and calculated machine logic and behaviour. I don't see anything human in that. If humans do such thing in real life we call them monsters or demons...


...also in the geth consensus Legion only shows us their biased side of the war... for some reason their "great deeds" of butchering civilians and using biological weapons is not shown.

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GimmeDaGun wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Blaming the Geth for siding with the reapers is the same for blaming a mentally retarded child for trusting the kidnapper.


Except Legion testified against the Reapers and the Geth believed him.


After which the retardification happens.

An example from another videogame. Dante Moro was an upright soldier in the Venitian guard in Assassins Creed II. The corrupt Doge of Venice lusted after his wife so one day he has a fight with him. All of Dante's associates are killed and Dante himself is left with a knife wedged in his skull. He survives the attack but is left with a mind of a child. The Doge convinces him to divorce his wife and even more, recruits him as his bodyguard. So, is all this Dante's fault? that he divorced his wife and sided witha corrupt man?


Yeah, then why do they still insist on uploading the reaper code when they finally by the help of Shepard and Tali they get rid of it and don't need it anymore? They could have offered peace without the reaper code if they wanted to. Also letting Legion to upload the enemy's code to the geth consensus is a huge leap of faith and given the circumstances is insane. Also if you side with them and the quarians attack, they mercilessly butcher every single quarian, not even giving them a chance. Typical, thorough and calculated machine logic and behaviour. I don't see anything human in that. If humans do such thing in real life we call them monsters or demons...


Without that the Quarians would have butchered them. Its the same reason many people dont trust the catalyst. ..Yes, we were murdering each other a moment ago, and even though I still have the weapons I used to kill you, but now we can all leave in peace. No worries. You have my word!

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GimmeDaGun wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

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GimmeDaGun wrote...

It wasn't even amusing. :mellow: I use the word "alien" in its philosophical, rethorical way. Eg. The reapers are completely aliens to us organics because they are machines, hence we can't understand them or agree with them. I don't say that if someone is different is bad... but try to read my post for what it is.

Anyway, thanks for not calling me a racist straightway for something that you misunderstood. <_<


I just think that your rationalization is an attempt to justify the Destroy choice. It's very easy to pick it if you don't consider the geth to be valid sapient beings.


They are "sapient" but not alive... they don't have morals and fears, human (organic) kind of desires, souls. So I don't consider them living, breathing beings and treat them equals to organics. I'm not a materialist, I believe in the spirituality of the human being: that we are more than mere flash and chemical reactions which makes our thoughts (mere brain activity). So it is not a "rationalization" or an attempt to justify anything. It's what I think. Sorry for using my right for free speech and express what I think without being offensive... that's why I find it curious that some of you took it as offensive or racist.


See, I use "soul" to refer to personhood. So the geth question is really this: "Is this unit a person?"

Also, you believe that something needs to have emotions and ethics in order to truly be a person. I don't believe that.

And I guess you would probably accept this altered version of Descartes' famous statement:

"I feel, therefore I am."


Descartes was a very intelligent philosopher and a roman catholic believer, believe it or not, and his famous statement has a lot deeper philosophical value and a deeper meaning to it than how people use it nowadays to prove something with it. There's more to it. We take it for face value as everything else nowadays. 

I understand you. But to me life (in the philosophical meaning of the word) is a lot more than mere biological existence and the capability to mimick thoughts or being capable of thinking (even Descartes knew that). Also the existence of AIs are hypothetical ... they are non-existent. So Descartes only spoke about human beings, the only known born being which is capable of thinking. So this quote is quite out of premise if we try to take it out of its context. Even we know no AIs, but judging by their theoretical human created nature, they are not living beings, only replicas at best.

So I do understand and accept what Descartes say, but I also know (even he knew) that it is not a definition of life, only an approximation of the recognition of human existence. Just like Saint Thomas Aquinas' quote of "I believe, therefore I am.". It is also taken out of context and taken literally assuming that it has no deeper thought put into it, but only demonstrates the usual blind religious way of thinking of the medieval era (while Thomas Aquinas was one of the greatest philosophers of our European culture even taken seriously by non-believer philosophers). 

Anyway... don't take me for a stupid bigot please. I'm no materialist or atheist, I'm no modern liberal either, but I have a faint idea about life, death and people myself, being a medical doctor in Central-Europe. 


I don't even agree with the idea that humans are the only born beings capable of thinking.
My parrot does a lot of thinking, and even asks things.
She has a ring on her leg that is coded to say where she was born whom the "bird" belongs to. For identification in case she gets lost or something happens.

She was look at a new paper one day then suddenly she asked me what the symbos on her ring meant. She really seems to take offense to the notion of being property. From her perspective she choose me, I visited the breeder and this little baby parrot realy took a liking to me.
So, by herself she noticed a similarity between the text in the newspaper and that it had some kind of meaning and significance and the symbols on her ring. And started to question me about it.
When you get close to inteligent beings "non human beings" then the definitions of inteligens, sapiens and all that talk about souls and what not becommes a little blurry.
They are also unique individuals, this particular one is big on demanding rights and influence.
When she was just a few months old and still getting hand feed she was opening the padlocks I put on her cage. At first I was thinking I had forgotten to lock the cage but then I realized she was breaking out even though she was just a little baby bird. So in short I got a freaky houdini bird who's questioning my decisions and morality.

PS: it took her a few years to learn to speak well enough to start askign those realy tough questions. I havn't been teaching her but I guess she watches the TV a lot and likes looking at pictures in the new papers.

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The premise is that survival trumps idealism, Shepard is forced to do the exact same thing in the end.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

I see no difference. I found his original post to be extremely distasteful and offensive.

So your response is to strongly imply that he's a racist?!? I found your edits "extremely distasteful and offensive." Perhaps I should call you a racist too?!? I will call you an idiot and a fool though, unless you realise exactly how wrong you were...

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pirate1802 wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Blaming the Geth for siding with the reapers is the same for blaming a mentally retarded child for trusting the kidnapper.


Except Legion testified against the Reapers and the Geth believed him.


After which the retardification happens.

An example from another videogame. Dante Moro was an upright soldier in the Venitian guard in Assassins Creed II. The corrupt Doge of Venice lusted after his wife so one day he has a fight with him. All of Dante's associates are killed and Dante himself is left with a knife wedged in his skull. He survives the attack but is left with a mind of a child. The Doge convinces him to divorce his wife and even more, recruits him as his bodyguard. So, is all this Dante's fault? that he divorced his wife and sided witha corrupt man?


Yeah, then why do they still insist on uploading the reaper code when they finally by the help of Shepard and Tali they get rid of it and don't need it anymore? They could have offered peace without the reaper code if they wanted to. Also letting Legion to upload the enemy's code to the geth consensus is a huge leap of faith and given the circumstances is insane. Also if you side with them and the quarians attack, they mercilessly butcher every single quarian, not even giving them a chance. Typical, thorough and calculated machine logic and behaviour. I don't see anything human in that. If humans do such thing in real life we call them monsters or demons...


Without that the Quarians would have butchered them. Its the same reason many people dont trust the catalyst. ..Yes, we were murdering each other a moment ago, and even though I still have the weapons I used to kill you, but now we can all leave in peace. No worries. You have my word!


That's why I either choose destroy or control (the latter being a bit of a leap of faith, but it still kills the Intelligence and overwrites the reaper code). ;)

Yes, Han Gerrel is an ass: typical soldier with an inflexible  sense of duty... but not all quarians agree with him: Korris and the whole civilian fleet, Tali, even Xen doesn't want to kill the geth (yeah, obviously she's not thinking that way out of the kindness of her heart). And Shepard being such a big speaker, I'm sure he could make Gerrel stop the attack without the geth uploading the reaper code, if he manages to do so with them uploading it.

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Kyrene wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I see no difference. I found his original post to be extremely distasteful and offensive.

So your response is to strongly imply that he's a racist?!? I found your edits "extremely distasteful and offensive." Perhaps I should call you a racist too?!? I will call you an idiot and a fool though, unless you realise exactly how wrong you were...



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GimmeDaGun wrote...

Very offensive if you ask me, but what can I do? I have to let it slide: I told him what I thought about this kind of thinking and behaviour, but I don't mean to fall so low to start throwing similar kind of rubbish at him.

I 'know' BlUr from the "shall no longer be named" thread, and am truly aghast. I will therefore not let it go at this point, because I really thought better of him.

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shodiswe wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

It wasn't even amusing. :mellow: I use the word "alien" in its philosophical, rethorical way. Eg. The reapers are completely aliens to us organics because they are machines, hence we can't understand them or agree with them. I don't say that if someone is different is bad... but try to read my post for what it is.

Anyway, thanks for not calling me a racist straightway for something that you misunderstood. <_<


I just think that your rationalization is an attempt to justify the Destroy choice. It's very easy to pick it if you don't consider the geth to be valid sapient beings.


They are "sapient" but not alive... they don't have morals and fears, human (organic) kind of desires, souls. So I don't consider them living, breathing beings and treat them equals to organics. I'm not a materialist, I believe in the spirituality of the human being: that we are more than mere flash and chemical reactions which makes our thoughts (mere brain activity). So it is not a "rationalization" or an attempt to justify anything. It's what I think. Sorry for using my right for free speech and express what I think without being offensive... that's why I find it curious that some of you took it as offensive or racist.


See, I use "soul" to refer to personhood. So the geth question is really this: "Is this unit a person?"

Also, you believe that something needs to have emotions and ethics in order to truly be a person. I don't believe that.

And I guess you would probably accept this altered version of Descartes' famous statement:

"I feel, therefore I am."


Descartes was a very intelligent philosopher and a roman catholic believer, believe it or not, and his famous statement has a lot deeper philosophical value and a deeper meaning to it than how people use it nowadays to prove something with it. There's more to it. We take it for face value as everything else nowadays. 

I understand you. But to me life (in the philosophical meaning of the word) is a lot more than mere biological existence and the capability to mimick thoughts or being capable of thinking (even Descartes knew that). Also the existence of AIs are hypothetical ... they are non-existent. So Descartes only spoke about human beings, the only known born being which is capable of thinking. So this quote is quite out of premise if we try to take it out of its context. Even we know no AIs, but judging by their theoretical human created nature, they are not living beings, only replicas at best.

So I do understand and accept what Descartes say, but I also know (even he knew) that it is not a definition of life, only an approximation of the recognition of human existence. Just like Saint Thomas Aquinas' quote of "I believe, therefore I am.". It is also taken out of context and taken literally assuming that it has no deeper thought put into it, but only demonstrates the usual blind religious way of thinking of the medieval era (while Thomas Aquinas was one of the greatest philosophers of our European culture even taken seriously by non-believer philosophers). 

Anyway... don't take me for a stupid bigot please. I'm no materialist or atheist, I'm no modern liberal either, but I have a faint idea about life, death and people myself, being a medical doctor in Central-Europe. 


I don't even agree with the idea that humans are the only born beings capable of thinking.
My parrot does a lot of thinking, and even asks things.
She has a ring on her leg that is coded to say where she was born whom the "bird" belongs to. For identification in case she gets lost or something happens.

She was look at a new paper one day then suddenly she asked me what the symbos on her ring meant. She really seems to take offense to the notion of being property. From her perspective she choose me, I visited the breeder and this little baby parrot realy took a liking to me.
So, by herself she noticed a similarity between the text in the newspaper and that it had some kind of meaning and significance and the symbols on her ring. And started to question me about it.
When you get close to inteligent beings "non human beings" then the definitions of inteligens, sapiens and all that talk about souls and what not becommes a little blurry.
They are also unique individuals, this particular one is big on demanding rights and influence.
When she was just a few months old and still getting hand feed she was opening the padlocks I put on her cage. At first I was thinking I had forgotten to lock the cage but then I realized she was breaking out even though she was just a little baby bird. So in short I got a freaky houdini bird who's questioning my decisions and morality.

PS: it took her a few years to learn to speak well enough to start askign those realy tough questions. I havn't been teaching her but I guess she watches the TV a lot and likes looking at pictures in the new papers.




Ok... hehe... I read you, but I'm afraid that I'm not the "right" person to discuss this with... because our ideas of "alive" (philosophically) are fundamentally different. I don't consider animals being "alive" philosophically... I respect their existence and importance for what they are and wouldn't hurt them... so... I intend to keep my old habit of not feeling bad when I eat my bacon. Just, joking, but I think you get it. :lol:

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 Bioware has just apdopted an exteremly cartoonish and inconsistant writing style, that's all.

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The quarians had neither the numbers nor the ability to stand against their former servants. In a short but savage war their entire society was wiped out. Only a few million survivors-less than one percent of their entire population-escaped the genocide, fleeing their home world in a massive fleet, refugees forced to live in exile. (Mass Effect: Revelation, p.116, emphasis my own)

When you cut to the heart of it, the Geth "defended themselves" inasmuch as Skynet "defended itself" against the DoD's attempts to deactivate it by nuking the Earth into a cinder.

I've said it before, but it bears repeating: The only reason people view Skynet as evil and the Geth as innocent is because we're the species Skynet targeted.

In ME3, the Geth VI is representative of this original "Skynet" mindset - the entity that killed every last Quarian on Rannoch (after deeming the entire species a "threat") and shot down all trespassers (including Council emissaries) on sight for centuries afterwards. Legion was sent out only in the last two years - his perspective did not exist before then. Legion says the Geth honor the Quarians who died defending them. The VI, on the other hand, dismisses them. Where Legion's geth are eager to atone for their past actions, the VI's geth are eager to finish the job (they will only help you if you let them eliminate the "creator threat").

Basically, if Legion gets back to them after ME2, Skynet has a change of heart.

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GimmeDaGun wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Blaming the Geth for siding with the reapers is the same for blaming a mentally retarded child for trusting the kidnapper.


Except Legion testified against the Reapers and the Geth believed him.


After which the retardification happens.

An example from another videogame. Dante Moro was an upright soldier in the Venitian guard in Assassins Creed II. The corrupt Doge of Venice lusted after his wife so one day he has a fight with him. All of Dante's associates are killed and Dante himself is left with a knife wedged in his skull. He survives the attack but is left with a mind of a child. The Doge convinces him to divorce his wife and even more, recruits him as his bodyguard. So, is all this Dante's fault? that he divorced his wife and sided witha corrupt man?


Yeah, then why do they still insist on uploading the reaper code when they finally by the help of Shepard and Tali they get rid of it and don't need it anymore? They could have offered peace without the reaper code if they wanted to. Also letting Legion to upload the enemy's code to the geth consensus is a huge leap of faith and given the circumstances is insane. Also if you side with them and the quarians attack, they mercilessly butcher every single quarian, not even giving them a chance. Typical, thorough and calculated machine logic and behaviour. I don't see anything human in that. If humans do such thing in real life we call them monsters or demons...


Without that the Quarians would have butchered them. Its the same reason many people dont trust the catalyst. ..Yes, we were murdering each other a moment ago, and even though I still have the weapons I used to kill you, but now we can all leave in peace. No worries. You have my word!


That's why I either choose destroy or control (the latter being a bit of a leap of faith, but it still kills the Intelligence and overwrites the reaper code). ;)

Yes, Han Gerrel is an ass: typical soldier with an inflexible  sense of duty... but not all quarians agree with him: Korris and the whole civilian fleet, Tali, even Xen doesn't want to kill the geth (yeah, obviously she's not thinking that way out of the kindness of her heart). And Shepard being such a big speaker, I'm sure he could make Gerrel stop the attack without the geth uploading the reaper code, if he manages to do so with them uploading it.


Dunno, I got the impression that a majority of the Quarians hated the Geth (and they have every reason to be, not blaming them. I'd feel the same if I were them) Pretty much only Tali and Koris were resolutely against the war. And about Shepard asking them to stand down, the threat of an upgraded Geth played into their minds and Shepard's appeal to stop, ("Im going to stand back and watch your destruction" being the renegade response which I choose, what was the paragon response?) I guess, in the end, nothing makes your enemies stand down like a loaded gun to their heard.

If I were given a choice between appealing to the good side of a enemy (who was murdering me not long ago) and pointing a gun at him and THEN appealing to his good side I'd choose the later, to be absolutely sure. Even after peace is achieved I cannot be absolutely sure Gerrel and Xen, espeially Xen, will not be up to their dirty tricks again. nations build nukes to primarily deter their enemies. Why? You can appeal to them to be safe, but ofcourse, unless you show some teeth no one would take you seriously. that's how the world works unfortunately (or fortunately) lol.

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pirate1802 wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Blaming the Geth for siding with the reapers is the same for blaming a mentally retarded child for trusting the kidnapper.


Except Legion testified against the Reapers and the Geth believed him.


After which the retardification happens.

An example from another videogame. Dante Moro was an upright soldier in the Venitian guard in Assassins Creed II. The corrupt Doge of Venice lusted after his wife so one day he has a fight with him. All of Dante's associates are killed and Dante himself is left with a knife wedged in his skull. He survives the attack but is left with a mind of a child. The Doge convinces him to divorce his wife and even more, recruits him as his bodyguard. So, is all this Dante's fault? that he divorced his wife and sided witha corrupt man?


Yeah, then why do they still insist on uploading the reaper code when they finally by the help of Shepard and Tali they get rid of it and don't need it anymore? They could have offered peace without the reaper code if they wanted to. Also letting Legion to upload the enemy's code to the geth consensus is a huge leap of faith and given the circumstances is insane. Also if you side with them and the quarians attack, they mercilessly butcher every single quarian, not even giving them a chance. Typical, thorough and calculated machine logic and behaviour. I don't see anything human in that. If humans do such thing in real life we call them monsters or demons...


Without that the Quarians would have butchered them. Its the same reason many people dont trust the catalyst. ..Yes, we were murdering each other a moment ago, and even though I still have the weapons I used to kill you, but now we can all leave in peace. No worries. You have my word!


That's why I either choose destroy or control (the latter being a bit of a leap of faith, but it still kills the Intelligence and overwrites the reaper code). ;)

Yes, Han Gerrel is an ass: typical soldier with an inflexible  sense of duty... but not all quarians agree with him: Korris and the whole civilian fleet, Tali, even Xen doesn't want to kill the geth (yeah, obviously she's not thinking that way out of the kindness of her heart). And Shepard being such a big speaker, I'm sure he could make Gerrel stop the attack without the geth uploading the reaper code, if he manages to do so with them uploading it.


Dunno, I got the impression that a majority of the Quarians hated the Geth (and they have every reason to be, not blaming them. I'd feel the same if I were them) Pretty much only Tali and Koris were resolutely against the war. And about Shepard asking them to stand down, the threat of an upgraded Geth played into their minds and Shepard's appeal to stop, ("Im going to stand back and watch your destruction" being the renegade response which I choose, what was the paragon response?) I guess, in the end, nothing makes your enemies stand down like a loaded gun to their heard.

If I were given a choice between appealing to the good side of a enemy (who was murdering me not long ago) and pointing a gun at him and THEN appealing to his good side I'd choose the later, to be absolutely sure. Even after peace is achieved I cannot be absolutely sure Gerrel and Xen, espeially Xen, will not be up to their dirty tricks again. nations build nukes to primarily deter their enemies. Why? You can appeal to them to be safe, but ofcourse, unless you show some teeth no one would take you seriously. that's how the world works unfortunately (or fortunately) lol.



Yes, but same is true to the geth: you can't be sure that the peace with the quarians would last long form their part. They might want to force something on the quarians, that the quarians wouldn't want or would like to evolve in a way that would endanger the quarians.

I don't blame the geth for what they are and what they do, nor I hate them (that's why I'm surprised about this guy being offended and calling me a racist without a reason). They are machines after all with artificial intelligences and without emotions and ethics, or spirituality in general (hence from my POW they are not "alive" and "do not have a soul"). All I am saying is that from an organic point of view I can't side with them or agree with them, nor fully trust them and I also see why living together with something soooo different might be problematic and why it holds lots of potential danger. At some point something bad would happen: it doesn't matter from who's part. Organis and AIs are different from an existential, philosophical and even physical, "psychological" point of view. Just look at us. What we humans (one species, blood brothers) in real life can do to each other when we find our differences and start fighting one another (wars, riots, hatred...conflict). The same goes to fictional species (who are actually pseudo-humans, since we imagine them as beings with human atributes and characteristics), let alone synthetics. The more distinct you are from each other (and organics and synthetics are fundamentally different + there's the fact that one is created by the other which makes things even more complicated) the more probable is a conflict between you to occur. 

Those who treat them as equals might as well accept the reapers as well for what they are and what they do, so they could just pick synthesis and be happy with it... though it does not kill all differences... so it won't erease the possibility of conflict. I find it a fascinating ending form as a sci-fi loving person, but do not agree with it. 

Oh, the paragon response:

www.youtube.com/watch

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This thread needs to be condemned as a mental hazard.

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xsdob wrote...

This thread needs to be condemned as a mental hazard.



What do you mean by that? Why?

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xsdob wrote...

This thread needs to be condemned as a mental hazard.



What do you mean by that? Why?

Probably that "being anti-synthetic is like hating black people" post. When I read that, I facepalmed so hard my hand practically went through my face.

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I somewhat agree with you GimmeDaGun.. I mean its all well and good to say the Quarians enslaved the Geth bla bla bla, but the Geth were created for a specific purpose. Like how my computer is created for a specific purpose. Now if tomorrow my computer rebels and runs away, what will I do? Do I put on a happyface and deal with the fact that now I can no longer play games? What happens when all computers rebel, when people lose their jobs and maybe lives because of that? That's why I don't blame the Quarians for trying to deactivate the Geth, I only blame them for not anticipating this and prevent it by keeping them to VIs (somehow).

About the geth being hostile, the whole mess started because the quarians started to attack them, so I think they'd leave them alone if the quarians no longer meddle in their affairs. Though, as the Geth-VI shows, different geth have different views. They certainly have different factions. So future conflict is possible from both sides.

About the Reapers, I do accept them for what they are, just not what they do. That is why I sometimes pick Synthesis. :P

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What's a Dyson Swarm?

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JadeShepard wrote...

What's a Dyson Swarm?



It's a combination of the Dyson Sphere and the Zerg Swarm. What's not to understand about that? :lol::P

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Sounds like Synthesis.

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Can you imagine what a Zerg Hydralisk with robotic parts would look like! X {

Scary........

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JadeShepard wrote...

Can you imagine what a Zerg Hydralisk with robotic parts would look like! X {

Scary........



Cyberpunk Craft

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pirate1802 wrote...

I somewhat agree with you GimmeDaGun.. I mean its all well and good to say the Quarians enslaved the Geth bla bla bla, but the Geth were created for a specific purpose. Like how my computer is created for a specific purpose. Now if tomorrow my computer rebels and runs away, what will I do? Do I put on a happyface and deal with the fact that now I can no longer play games? What happens when all computers rebel, when people lose their jobs and maybe lives because of that? That's why I don't blame the Quarians for trying to deactivate the Geth, I only blame them for not anticipating this and prevent it by keeping them to VIs (somehow).

About the geth being hostile, the whole mess started because the quarians started to attack them, so I think they'd leave them alone if the quarians no longer meddle in their affairs. Though, as the Geth-VI shows, different geth have different views. They certainly have different factions. So future conflict is possible from both sides.

About the Reapers, I do accept them for what they are, just not what they do. That is why I sometimes pick Synthesis. :P


It's become quite apparent that different geth have different ideals and opinions and experiences, but it's also clear that they can be shaped by their experiences.
If they become involved in the Galactic community and get acceptance and more interaction with the rest of the galaxy. More Geth that experiences the same things Legion experienced, then that would go a long way towards making them become a peaceful cooperative species of the galactic community.

There are never any guarantees but the best way to make friends is to include them.

Like someone mentioned, just by returning Legion to the Geth, the views and reasoning of the Geth were radicaly changed and challenged. A new perspective was added to the geth consensus. I also belive this is why the Geth sent Legion to start with. They needed to learn more about the other people that a lot of people in this thread point's out as being radically different from their own people.
Legion told us they had been spying on organics trying to understand them, poke them for responses to learn abotu how they work. But something made them hurry up the process of unserstanding this very different and chaotic type of life, and that was the Reapers that threatened all that the Geth were and their plans for their own future, so they sent Legion, their most advanced geth ever, a geth containing over a thousand Geth to be able to speak for the Geth consensus and seek out allies and possibilites for cooperation against the Reapers.

I realize there are no guarantees but there are no guarantees for other people either, humans have waged wars on each other for thousands of years and there are still wars, genicide and other nasty autrosities happening on our little planet.
Maybe there will be a new conflict with the Geth or a faction of the Geth, it's only natural, it's part of the natual evolution of things, and so is peace and consolidation.
These thing are usualy driven by greed and personal gain through power even if that part of it is usualy masked by other stated goals, like morality, religion or politics.
However when the other party generates revenues, income and other social benefits that increases as differences are shared then conflict is less likely until someone feels they will gain more by eliminating the other.