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[Mr. Gogeta34]

He's been around Reaper tech more than anybody hasn't he?  Object Rho even claimed that Shepard's mind would be his...


Any and everyone... you have the floor.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 16 janvier 2013 - 09:21 .

[Liamv2]

Im gonna sound like a **** when i say this but because the writers say so

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Indoctrination is not instantaneous; it takes time to set in. That period of time is typically days of exposure.

Shepard was disconnected from the source of indoctrination ('Rho) in Arrival after two days.

Arrival was a close call, but it's safe to say he got out okay. And I doubt it is "built up" cumulatively.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

I'd loooove to hear Bioware answer this one. And don't worry Liamv2, no harm no foul... call it as you see it.^^

[MacroSpamMK]

I assume you have to be in close proximity for to Reaper tech for at least several hours/days (depending how much willpower you have) for Indoctrination to begin.
Shepard kept having encounters with Reapers and Reaper tech, but I don't think he ever stayed near one long enough for Indoctrination to actually begin.
If that's not the case, then pretty much every soldier who fights the Reapers will eventually become indoctrinated simply by being in close proximity to a reaper/tech for a few minutes.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Indoctrination is not instantaneous; it takes time to set in. That period of time is typically days of exposure.

Shepard was disconnected from the source of indoctrination ('Rho) in Arrival after two days.

Arrival was a close call, but it's safe to say he got out okay. And I doubt it is "built up" cumulatively.

Rapid Indoctrination can take days or weeks.  Slow Indoctrination can take months or years.  It's also not just Object Rho, but Reapers in general that Shepard has been around.  He just took a nasty set of rho Shockwaves and was unconscious for nearly 2 days (similar to how Grayson passed out a while after being injected with Reaper technology).

Did Rho merely set phasers to stun?  No exposure while he was unconscious?

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 16 janvier 2013 - 09:32 .

[Kataphrut94]

Object Rho is kind of discounted on account of it being optional. I mean, I never played Arrival, why should my Shepard be lumped in with the IT nutjobs?

As for the rest of it, Shepard doesn't spend as much time around Reapers as people think. The Illusive Man and Saren appeared to be in active communication with them, and most of the times when Shepard is in direct physical proximity to a Reaper, it usually ends up dead.

The trouble with indoctrination is that it is expicitly stated to be permanent, affecting a character's mental state and reducing them to a gibbering puppet with no sense of self. 'Fate worse than death' is an accurate description. It's the sort of thing you cannot inflict on the playable character, as it would logically lead to nonstandard game over, either by succumbing or being forced to commit suicide to escape.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...


Rapid Indoctrination can take days or weeks.  Slow Indoctrination can take months or years.  It's also not just Object Rho, but Reapers in general that Shepard has been around.  He just took a nasty set of rho Shockwaves and was unconscious for nearly 2 days (similar to how Grayson passed out a while after being injected with Reaper technology).

Did Rho merely set phasers to stun?

You are confusing indoctrination with its resulting neural-decay.

Rapid indoctrination is the process of turning victims into husks. They are indoctrinated by injecting Reaper nanides. The indoctrination you're referring to is the slower version, in which the codex indicates that thralls can remain mentally-functional (minus independent thought, ofc) for months to years.

Again, Shepard's exposure to 'Rho or any given Reaper has simply not been long enough to indoctrinate him.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 16 janvier 2013 - 09:41 .

[WolfyZA]

So let me get this straight the IT has been killed off completely now? Oh well..

[Mr. Gogeta34]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...


Rapid Indoctrination can take days or weeks.  Slow Indoctrination can take months or years.  It's also not just Object Rho, but Reapers in general that Shepard has been around.  He just took a nasty set of rho Shockwaves and was unconscious for nearly 2 days (similar to how Grayson passed out a while after being injected with Reaper technology).

Did Rho merely set phasers to stun?

You are confusing indoctrination with its resulting neural-decay.


Rapid indoctrination is the process of turning victims into husks. They are indoctrinated by injecting Reaper nanides. The indoctrination you're referring to is the slower version, in which the codex indicates that thralls can remain mentally-functional (minus independent thought, ofc) for months to years.

EDIT:  You're right, there's no stated length of time for the actual indoctrination to occur.  Grayson's indoctrination happened in days... if not sooner.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 16 janvier 2013 - 09:58 .

[Indy_S]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Again, Shepard's exposure to 'Rho or any given Reaper has simply not been long enough to indoctrinate him.

We think.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Indy_S wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Again, Shepard's exposure to 'Rho or any given Reaper has simply not been long enough to indoctrinate him.

We think.

"Over days, perhaps a week of exposure to Sovereign's signal, the subject stops thinking for themselves and just obeys, eventually becoming a mindless servant."
 
According to the Wiki.


So actual indoctrination could take minutes or even hours... theoretically...


which brings me back to the topic's question.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 16 janvier 2013 - 09:51 .

[dorktainian]

hang on an indoctrination thread on BSN? must be indoctrinated....

[Grubas]

Who said he wasnt?

[demersel]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

He's been around Reaper tech more than anybody hasn't he?  Object Rho even claimed that Shepard's mind would be his...

"That, Detective, is the right question."

[Restrider]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

Object Rho is kind of discounted on account of it being optional. I mean, I never played Arrival, why should my Shepard be lumped in with the IT nutjobs?

As for the rest of it, Shepard doesn't spend as much time around Reapers as people think. The Illusive Man and Saren appeared to be in active communication with them, and most of the times when Shepard is in direct physical proximity to a Reaper, it usually ends up dead.

The trouble with indoctrination is that it is expicitly stated to be permanent, affecting a character's mental state and reducing them to a gibbering puppet with no sense of self. 'Fate worse than death' is an accurate description. It's the sort of thing you cannot inflict on the playable character, as it would logically lead to nonstandard game over, either by succumbing or being forced to commit suicide to escape.

And dead Reapers cannot indoctrinate... oh wait.

[BleedingUranium]

Wasn't he?

[Eryri]

And lets not forget that husks, which Shepard has spent hour upon hour fighting, can act as indoctrination relays.

[WolfyZA]

In my head cannon he was indoctrinated...

Modifié par WolfyZA, 16 janvier 2013 - 09:57 .

[BleedingUranium]

Eryri wrote...

And lets not forget that husks, which Shepard has spent hour upon hour fighting, can act as indoctrination relays.

And that means all Reaperized people, not just the Human ones.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Eryri wrote...

And lets not forget that husks, which Shepard has spent hour upon hour fighting, can act as indoctrination relays.

Even more is that a Reaper's signals can be amplified through them.

[demersel]

@WoflyZa -

not not really. I was being serious. That was a qoute from a movie. Why?

[Mr. Gogeta34]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Wasn't he?

The old man didn't seem to think so.

[demersel]

Let's not forget that the room where Shepard speaks with sovereign in ME1 is used as place to indoctrinate test subjects. It even has the holding pods and all. We are told by that asari scientist - "everyone who walks in there - does not come out the same" - in those exact words. And the next thing she does - she opens the door for us and invites us to come inside.

[Argolas]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Wasn't he?

The old man didn't seem to think so.

The old man shouldn't tell a child about a genocide hero and Fornax magazine.