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[Mr. Gogeta34]

Argolas wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Wasn't he?

The old man didn't seem to think so.

The old man shouldn't tell a child about a genocide hero and Fornax magazine.

You hear that hum? Is it just me?  Oh wait that's the old man telling the kid about Formax...

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 16 janvier 2013 - 10:13 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

Object Rho is kind of discounted on account of it being optional. I mean, I never played Arrival, why should my Shepard be lumped in with the IT nutjobs?

You do realize that even though you never played Arrival... it happened right?  The DLC was specifically designed to bridge ME2 into ME3.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

demersel wrote...

Let's not forget that the room where Shepard speaks with sovereign in ME1 is used as place to indoctrinate test subjects. It even has the holding pods and all. We are told by that asari scientist - "everyone who walks in there - does not come out the same" - in those exact words. And the next thing she does - she opens the door for us and invites us to come inside.

Except nobody walked in there while armed to the teeth.

[BleedingUranium]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

Object Rho is kind of discounted on account of it being optional. I mean, I never played Arrival, why should my Shepard be lumped in with the IT nutjobs?

You do realize that even though you never played Arrival... it happened right?  The DLC was specifically designed to bridge ME2 into ME3.

It being in one of the comics makes Shepard doing it canon, if you don't do it then you're doing a non-canon playthrough. Just like Anderson being councilor.

[demersel]

 At any rate - the discussion on this particular topic is ongoing and very heated in this group social.bioware.com/group/7365/

Come on in and join us. 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

Object Rho is kind of discounted on account of it being optional. I mean, I never played Arrival, why should my Shepard be lumped in with the IT nutjobs?

You do realize that even though you never played Arrival... it happened right?  The DLC was specifically designed to bridge ME2 into ME3.

If you don't play Arrival, the job was done by someone else.

[demersel]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

demersel wrote...

Let's not forget that the room where Shepard speaks with sovereign in ME1 is used as place to indoctrinate test subjects. It even has the holding pods and all. We are told by that asari scientist - "everyone who walks in there - does not come out the same" - in those exact words. And the next thing she does - she opens the door for us and invites us to come inside.

Except nobody walked in there while armed to the teeth.

How does having a gun protect you from indoctrination????

[MacroSpamMK]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

demersel wrote...

Let's not forget that the room where Shepard speaks with sovereign in ME1 is used as place to indoctrinate test subjects. It even has the holding pods and all. We are told by that asari scientist - "everyone who walks in there - does not come out the same" - in those exact words. And the next thing she does - she opens the door for us and invites us to come inside.

Except nobody walked in there while armed to the teeth.

And during the middle of a large battle as well.

I'm pretty sure you need extended exposure to become Indoctrinated, something Shepard never had. He had conversations with Reapers, fought Reapers, and even went inside a derelict one, but never actually just chilled next to/inside one for days, or filled his entire room with Reaper artifacts/tech. If one minute of exposure meant Indoctrination, then I'm sure the Reapers could've just Indoctrinated the entire galaxy.

[KiwiQuiche]

Not everyone bought Arrival and in ME3 marines do that job instead, so Object Rho isn't a legit claim for indoctrination since not all Shepard's were exposed to it.

Also, where is all this "Husks can now indoctrinate" stuff coming from? They can't. Reapers can, yet it requires prolonged exposure. Sovereign doesn't count as Shepard only had a few seconds- barely even a minute exposed to him when his foot went into the Citadel and nearly crushed her. She's never exposed to Harbinger and spends only about 15/20 minutes on the comatose Reaper (it's not dead, it's in a coma) unless you are a really slow player lol. In ME3 you don't have any close contact with Reapers as the fights on Tuchunka and Rannoch are too quick.
I'm not too sure if the fetus-Reaper in ME2 counts, though that would explain TIM's stupidity in ME3 since he was fcuktarded enough to stick it in the lounge.

Indoctrination takes around a week- Shepard at most has an hour or two exposed to Reaper tech.

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 16 janvier 2013 - 10:22 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

Object Rho is kind of discounted on account of it being optional. I mean, I never played Arrival, why should my Shepard be lumped in with the IT nutjobs?

You do realize that even though you never played Arrival... it happened right?  The DLC was specifically designed to bridge ME2 into ME3.

If you don't play Arrival, the job was done by someone else.

Even still, that was Arrival's purpose.

[BleedingUranium]

The level of ignorance in this thread is astounding.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

KiwiQuiche wrote...
Also, where is all this "Husks can now indoctrinate" stuff coming from? They can't. Reapers can, yet it requires prolonged exposure. Sovereign doesn't count as Shepard only had a few seconds- barely even a minute exposed to him when his foot went into the Citadel and nearly crushed her. She's never exposed to Harbinger and spends only about 15/20 minutes on the comatose Reaper (it's not dead, it's in a coma) unless you are a really slow player lol. In ME2 you don't have any close contact with Reapers as the fights on Tuchunka and Rannoch are too quick.
I'm not too sure if the fetus-Reaper in ME2 counts, though that would explain TIM's stupidity in ME3 since he was fcuktarded enough to stick it in the lounge.

Indoctrination takes around a week- Shepard at most has an hour or two exposed to Reaper tech.

Husks can't indoctrinate, they can (however) amplify indoctrination signals. 

[MaximizedAction]

Wait, how did you come to the conclusion that he wasn't being indoctrinated?

[Mr. Gogeta34]

BleedingUranium wrote...

The level of ignorance in this thread is astounding.

Mind as well join in then, make yourself at home.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Wait, how did you come to the conclusion that he wasn't being indoctrinated?

The narrative didn't make it official.

Speculations from everyone?

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Those that feel Indoctrination takes a long time, what was Object Rho talking about then? What was the shockwave for? What did it do?

[BleedingUranium]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Wait, how did you come to the conclusion that he wasn't being indoctrinated?

The narrative didn't make it official.

Speculations from everyone?

If by "official", do you mean "flash it in big letters"?

By that logic, you don't think the PTSD Asari in the hospital was talking about Joker's sister, because it wasn't spelled out for you.

[liggy002]

Answer:  I believe that you get to choose whether he is or not at the end of the game.  Though, he was feeling the effects of indoctrination throughout the game.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

demersel wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

demersel wrote...

Let's not forget that the room where Shepard speaks with sovereign in ME1 is used as place to indoctrinate test subjects. It even has the holding pods and all. We are told by that asari scientist - "everyone who walks in there - does not come out the same" - in those exact words. And the next thing she does - she opens the door for us and invites us to come inside.

Except nobody walked in there while armed to the teeth.

How does having a gun protect you from indoctrination????

Read my first post on the first page. Indoctrination takes time. Minutes and hours of exposure doesn't cut it.

Walking into that lab and gunning down all Reaper agents in your way means that you're not going to be captured.

Thus, you will not be indoctrinated.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Wait, how did you come to the conclusion that he wasn't being indoctrinated?

The narrative didn't make it official.

Speculations from everyone?

If by "official", do you mean "flash it in big letters"?

By that logic, you don't think the PTSD Asari in the hospital was talking about Joker's sister, because it wasn't spelled out for you.

I don't mean that, no.

If Shepard was Indoctrinated he wouldn't have needed to get as far as he had.

[demersel]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Read my first post on the first page. Indoctrination takes time. Minutes and hours of exposure doesn't cut it.

Walking into that lab and gunning down all Reaper agents in your way means that you're not going to be captured.

Thus, you will not be indoctrinated.

That is a nice sentiment. 

[BleedingUranium]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Wait, how did you come to the conclusion that he wasn't being indoctrinated?

The narrative didn't make it official.

Speculations from everyone?

If by "official", do you mean "flash it in big letters"?

By that logic, you don't think the PTSD Asari in the hospital was talking about Joker's sister, because it wasn't spelled out for you.

I don't mean that, no.

If Shepard was Indoctrinated he wouldn't have needed to get as far as he had.

Unless he's only actually indoctrinated at the end.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

BleedingUranium wrote...

If by "official", do you mean "flash it in big letters"?

By that logic, you don't think the PTSD Asari in the hospital was talking about Joker's sister, because it wasn't spelled out for you.

If you really did ever stop and listen to the PTSD Asari every time (I never did, just watched it on youtube) it might as well have been flashed in big letters.

That's one of my countless gripes with IT. If the player is supposed to recognize the hallucination, but it appears no different than what's treated as reality, then the ending is a presentation failure.

I get that you don't want to make it "obvious" on them, but you're still sacrificing logical writing technique for the sake of it. If you can't tell reality apart from dream, then the entire game might as well be hallucination.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

demersel wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

demersel wrote...

Let's not forget that the room where Shepard speaks with sovereign in ME1 is used as place to indoctrinate test subjects. It even has the holding pods and all. We are told by that asari scientist - "everyone who walks in there - does not come out the same" - in those exact words. And the next thing she does - she opens the door for us and invites us to come inside.

Except nobody walked in there while armed to the teeth.

How does having a gun protect you from indoctrination????

Read my first post on the first page. Indoctrination takes time. Minutes and hours of exposure doesn't cut it.

Walking into that lab and gunning down all Reaper agents in your way means that you're not going to be captured.

Thus, you will not be indoctrinated.

So basically Object Rho had no idea what it was talking about?  Shepard was struggling while he was conscious... but eventually he did get overwhelmed by Rho's shockwave and passed out.  He stayed there a while... around the same Reaper tech that indoctrinated the station.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

demersel wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Read my first post on the first page. Indoctrination takes time. Minutes and hours of exposure doesn't cut it.

Walking into that lab and gunning down all Reaper agents in your way means that you're not going to be captured.

Thus, you will not be indoctrinated.

That is a nice sentiment. 

It is not sentiment, friendy. It is factual canon lore.