Sorry for the late response. 'Had to walk the doggy.
Eryri wrote...
HYR 2.0 wrote...
Two days and a week are not exactly close.
That's
to say nothing of the fact Shepard thwarts the Reapers' attempted
sabotage of The Project, and that Shepard's involvement in the events of
Arrival is not canon in a new ME3 game.
Bioware can't make it take any less than 1 day without greviously contradicting established lore.
I
don't think it would be too much of a problem for them. The established
lore is vague, perheps deliberately so. They left themselves plenty of
wiggle room. If we knew that indoctrination took exactly this much time at exactly this much distance from a reaper, it would rob it of its mystery and make it far less frightening.
It isn't exact, but even so, there's a general guideline of ~ days-to-weeks. It's there. It has been for all three games.
And then there's the fact it didn't happen. Otherwise, Shepard wouldn't have destroyed the Alpha Relay.
As
has been said before, Shepard has been clocking up little bits of
exposure all over the place. The very fact that the process takes time,
strongly suggests that it is cumulative, even if it doesn't outright
prove it and there is nothing in the lore to directly prove that it is
not, so it seems a safe assumption.
Apologies, but I do not find that assumption to be safe.
Rana's
example shows that once a latent indoctrination has taken root it is
self sustaining, and can manifest years later - it is almost like a
cancer in that regard. One cigarette won't kill you, but smoke enough
over the years... While other people can smoke like chimneys and end up
dying of something completely unrelated.
Again, I do not believe indoctrination "builds up." If Rana was indoctrinated, IMO, it means she was indoctrinated on Virmire.
Leviathan
itself asserts that Indoctrination is a refined and perfected version
of enthrallment. As to why they were able to knock a Sovereign class
reaper out of the sky, I'll admit that strained my credulity (how on
Earth did the Catalyst defeat them if they were able to do things like
that?)
However, while disabling the reaper, they were using their
orbs as ampilfiers. Perhaps they have been doing their own research into
enhancing their natural abilities during their long exile from power.
Again, I find it hard to draw any parallels between their control techniques, given how little we know of Leviathan's.
Also
Harbinger is capable of directly manipulating the collectors even from
outside the galaxy - which seems very similar to enthrallment.
The Collectors are loaded with synthetic implants.
Eryri wrote...
Shepard isn't really kneeling down. He's still sitting in the Atlas. Leviathan deliberately put him in that position in the illusion to symbolically express his dominance over Shepard.
My interpretation is a bit different.
I think Shepard -- in that medium -- is in the position he would be in if he were standing, not seated inside the mech.
That's not even the most obvious similarity. "Your memories give voice to our words". Leviathan uses the images of people Shepard knows; Bryson, Garneau etc. He even uses props - an representation of a microscope.
The catalyst also borrows images from Shepard's mind - the boy from Vancouver. This is true even in the literal interpretation, but taken with the added context of Leviathan it becomes more significant.
Again, I have a different interpretation.
The catalyst, like Vigil, changes his output to something the user can readily make sense of. The audio output is English, the visual output is *something* on Shepard's mind.
The kid is symbolism for everyone Shepard couldn't save. The Crucible is not firing before Shepard passes out.
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