Disciple was really a pretty solid weapon before it got aht insane buff, now its actually pretty good. Still doesn`t compare to the other shotguns, but then again, claymore and wraith are just amazing. And occasionally GPS is good too.k1ngl1ves wrote...
It's only OP in the right hands. Hell, the Disciple is probably OP for someone...
Modifié par tictactucrac, 16 janvier 2013 - 05:31 .
Annomander wrote...
I think tactical cloak should be nerfed if its tears we are looking for.
Nothing gets BSN's panties in a bunch like talk of tactical cloak nerfs.
Because then me and Feneckus would just sit back and laugh our asses off as BSN explodes.
Harrier / claymore nerfs would create tears on the BSN, but nothing would stir up a gargantuan sh*tstorm like nerfing every n00bs favourite crutch.
Deerber wrote...
Annomander wrote...
I think tactical cloak should be nerfed if its tears we are looking for.
Nothing gets BSN's panties in a bunch like talk of tactical cloak nerfs.
Because then me and Feneckus would just sit back and laugh our asses off as BSN explodes.
Harrier / claymore nerfs would create tears on the BSN, but nothing would stir up a gargantuan sh*tstorm like nerfing every n00bs favourite crutch.
Yes, but that should not be a joke, but a true nerf :happy:
HolyAvenger wrote...
Yes, yes, now we're talking. Claymore, TC and Harrier nerf, all in one set of balance changes.Annomander wrote...
I think tactical cloak should be nerfed if its tears we are looking for.
Nothing gets BSN's panties in a bunch like talk of tactical cloak nerfs.
Because then me and Feneckus would just sit back and laugh our asses off as BSN explodes.
Harrier / claymore nerfs would create tears on the BSN, but nothing would stir up a gargantuan sh*tstorm like nerfing every n00bs favourite crutch.
For the meltdown to end all meltdowns.
Deerber wrote...
Annomander wrote...
I think tactical cloak should be nerfed if its tears we are looking for.
Nothing gets BSN's panties in a bunch like talk of tactical cloak nerfs.
Because then me and Feneckus would just sit back and laugh our asses off as BSN explodes.
Harrier / claymore nerfs would create tears on the BSN, but nothing would stir up a gargantuan sh*tstorm like nerfing every n00bs favourite crutch.
Yes, but that should not be a joke, but a true nerf :happy:
RoundedPlanet88 wrote...
Deerber wrote...
Annomander wrote...
I think tactical cloak should be nerfed if its tears we are looking for.
Nothing gets BSN's panties in a bunch like talk of tactical cloak nerfs.
Because then me and Feneckus would just sit back and laugh our asses off as BSN explodes.
Harrier / claymore nerfs would create tears on the BSN, but nothing would stir up a gargantuan sh*tstorm like nerfing every n00bs favourite crutch.
Yes, but that should not be a joke, but a true nerf :happy:
What gets me is how illogical people are over it, nobody even TRIES arguing for it to not be nerfed logically, which really says alot, about the power, and about the BSN
RoundedPlanet88 wrote...
Deerber wrote...
Annomander wrote...
I think tactical cloak should be nerfed if its tears we are looking for.
Nothing gets BSN's panties in a bunch like talk of tactical cloak nerfs.
Because then me and Feneckus would just sit back and laugh our asses off as BSN explodes.
Harrier / claymore nerfs would create tears on the BSN, but nothing would stir up a gargantuan sh*tstorm like nerfing every n00bs favourite crutch.
Yes, but that should not be a joke, but a true nerf :happy:
What gets me is how illogical people are over it, nobody even TRIES arguing for it to not be nerfed logically, which really says alot, about the power, and about the BSN
Invader Nemesis wrote...
Nerf it.
UnknownMercenary wrote...
RoundedPlanet88 wrote...
Deerber wrote...
Annomander wrote...
I think tactical cloak should be nerfed if its tears we are looking for.
Nothing gets BSN's panties in a bunch like talk of tactical cloak nerfs.
Because then me and Feneckus would just sit back and laugh our asses off as BSN explodes.
Harrier / claymore nerfs would create tears on the BSN, but nothing would stir up a gargantuan sh*tstorm like nerfing every n00bs favourite crutch.
Yes, but that should not be a joke, but a true nerf :happy:
What gets me is how illogical people are over it, nobody even TRIES arguing for it to not be nerfed logically, which really says alot, about the power, and about the BSN
Truthfully I think Cloak needs a total overhaul. All they can do is tweak numbers without a patch, and I don't see them radically changing the power a year after release, but the discussions have been done to death (with mostly immature responses).
Yes the entire mechanic needs an overhaul. The basically ported it from SP to MP, without really considering the need to balance it appropriately.UnknownMercenary wrote...
RoundedPlanet88 wrote...
Deerber wrote...
Annomander wrote...
I think tactical cloak should be nerfed if its tears we are looking for.
Nothing gets BSN's panties in a bunch like talk of tactical cloak nerfs.
Because then me and Feneckus would just sit back and laugh our asses off as BSN explodes.
Harrier / claymore nerfs would create tears on the BSN, but nothing would stir up a gargantuan sh*tstorm like nerfing every n00bs favourite crutch.
Yes, but that should not be a joke, but a true nerf :happy:
What gets me is how illogical people are over it, nobody even TRIES arguing for it to not be nerfed logically, which really says alot, about the power, and about the BSN
Truthfully I think Cloak needs a total overhaul. All they can do is tweak numbers without a patch, and I don't see them radically changing the power a year after release, but the discussions have been done to death (with mostly immature responses).
Modifié par Ziegrif, 16 janvier 2013 - 05:50 .
The only responses Against the nerf that I`ve seen so far are the usual "nerfduck" criers responses. Everyone who actually uses it apparently is laughing thier ass off at the fact this even got a thread, and havn`t bothered posting one of the many reasons it`s more balanced than a lot of things. I could have missed something thoughmodok8 wrote...
Have all the claymorephiles started telling everyone how much skill it takes to use yet?
Ziegrif wrote...
Should I make a well thought out argument against the OP?
... Nah I'm just gonna keep beating the OP to death with this crowbar. BWAHAHAHAH!!!
HolyAvenger wrote...
Crowbar is OP, needs a nerf.
That isn't true. You may have missed rational responses because you kind of wanted to, but there are a list of things people use when claiming TC is brutally overpowered.RoundedPlanet88 wrote...
What gets me is how illogical people are over it, nobody even TRIES arguing for it to not be nerfed logically, which really says alot, about the power, and about the BSNDeerber wrote...
Yes, but that should not be a joke, but a true nerf :happy:Annomander wrote...
I think tactical cloak should be nerfed if its tears we are looking for.
Nothing gets BSN's panties in a bunch like talk of tactical cloak nerfs.
Because then me and Feneckus would just sit back and laugh our asses off as BSN explodes.
Harrier / claymore nerfs would create tears on the BSN, but nothing would stir up a gargantuan sh*tstorm like nerfing every n00bs favourite crutch.
Modifié par Zero132132, 16 janvier 2013 - 06:00 .
tictactucrac wrote...
Seriously, claymore has sniper range with smart choke + GI/destroyer/Marksman. This is not fair. And reload cancel is way too fast on the claymore.
Read my post again. Theres a "not" modifier. I actually SUPPORT a Tac cloak overhaul. If you`d actually READ my post, youd have seen that.Zero132132 wrote...
That isn't true. You may have missed rational responses because you kind of wanted to, but there are a list of things people use when claiming TC is brutally overpowered.RoundedPlanet88 wrote...
What gets me is how illogical people are over it, nobody even TRIES arguing for it to not be nerfed logically, which really says alot, about the power, and about the BSNDeerber wrote...
Yes, but that should not be a joke, but a true nerf :happy:Annomander wrote...
I think tactical cloak should be nerfed if its tears we are looking for.
Nothing gets BSN's panties in a bunch like talk of tactical cloak nerfs.
Because then me and Feneckus would just sit back and laugh our asses off as BSN explodes.
Harrier / claymore nerfs would create tears on the BSN, but nothing would stir up a gargantuan sh*tstorm like nerfing every n00bs favourite crutch.
1. It can deflect aggro, increasing survivability.
2. It means that infiltrators don't have to care about weight capacity at all, because you can get a constant 3 second cooldown.
3. It can globally boost damage for 2.5 seconds, so that means you get boosted damage nearly 50% of the time WTF!
Nobody notes that point 1 is absolutely in contradiction with 2 and 3. If you use an infiltrator with -200% cooldown speed, then you have to decloak immediately or run the risk of getting a 20+ second cooldown, so instead of survivability, you just get an interruption of shield regeneration. The same's true if you want the nearly constant damage boost implied by 3. You also ignore that if you miss cancelling cloak by portions of a second on -200% cooldown speed, you get a pretty big departure from 3 seconds.
People promoting a TC nerf have also said bizarre things like "if we replaced it with submission net on every infiltrator, they'd all be teh suck!" I won't distort your position by claiming that's absolutely everyone that wants a TC nerf, because that would be stupid. Please don't do the same. And don't go claiming it's my personal crutch class. The only Infiltrator I really like is the Human anyways, so I can avoid playing them very easily. I prefer adepts and vanguards, truthfully. Nerf away. I won't get mad. I just don't think people are realistic in how they argue over TC's strengths and weaknesses.
This isn't a discussion about TC nerfing, though. Something about the Claymore?
Yeah, what a beast of a weapon.
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