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[UnknownMercenary]

Zero132132 wrote...

RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Annomander wrote...

I think tactical cloak should be nerfed if its tears we are looking for.

Nothing gets BSN's panties in a bunch like talk of tactical cloak nerfs.

Because then me and Feneckus would just sit back and laugh our asses off as BSN explodes.

Harrier / claymore nerfs would create tears on the BSN, but nothing would stir up a gargantuan sh*tstorm like nerfing every n00bs favourite crutch.

Yes, but that should not be a joke, but a true nerf :happy:

What gets me is how illogical people are over it, nobody even TRIES arguing for it to not be nerfed logically, which really says alot, about the power, and about the BSN

That isn't true. You may have missed rational responses because you kind of wanted to, but there are a list of things people use when claiming TC is brutally overpowered.

1. It can deflect aggro, increasing survivability.
2. It means that infiltrators don't have to care about weight capacity at all, because you can get a constant 3 second cooldown.
3. It can globally boost damage for 2.5 seconds, so that means you get boosted damage nearly 50% of the time WTF!

Nobody notes that point 1 is absolutely in contradiction with 2 and 3. If you use an infiltrator with -200% cooldown speed, then you have to decloak immediately or run the risk of getting a 20+ second cooldown, so instead of survivability, you just get an interruption of shield regeneration. The same's true if you want the nearly constant damage boost implied by 3. You also ignore that if you miss cancelling cloak by portions of a second on -200% cooldown speed, you get a pretty big departure from 3 seconds.

People promoting a TC nerf have also said bizarre things like "if we replaced it with submission net on every infiltrator, they'd all be teh suck!" I won't distort your position by claiming that's absolutely everyone that wants a TC nerf, because that would be stupid. Please don't do the same. And don't go claiming it's my personal crutch class. The only Infiltrator I really like is the Human anyways, so I can avoid playing them very easily. I prefer adepts and vanguards, truthfully. Nerf away. I won't get mad. I just don't think people are realistic in how they argue over TC's strengths and weaknesses.

This isn't a discussion about TC nerfing, though. Something about the Claymore?

Yeah, what a beast of a weapon.

Cyonan recently made a couple of good threads clarifying this information for the misinformed, but since those talking points are easy to remember it's very likely they'll remain in the collective consciousness of BSN.

Yeah I'm going to drag this derail out further because there's no merit to a Claymore nerf discussion.

[Xaijin]

Invader Nemesis wrote...

Nerf it.

[Javo2357]

INVADERONE wrote...

I am almost positive that since BioWare has not nerfed it is because no one uses it. It takes a lot of skill to use it on console and on pc although they claim to use it often its probably not as often as you'd think.

The gun is powerful but it needs to be being a one shot weapon and ....its KROGAN! It should be a beast. If they nerf such a balanced weapon then why continue playing this game?

It is more difficult to use than, say, a Harrier but I don't think it takes that much skill to use, honestly. This, coupled with the long reload and most console players not knowing how to RC properly, drives a lot of players from using it.

[tictactucrac]

llandwynwyn wrote...

I know it's a joke thread, but if any shotgun needs to be nerfed it's the reegar. At least, remove headshot dmg.

tictactucrac wrote...
Seriously, claymore has sniper range with smart choke + GI/destroyer/Marksman. This is not fair. And reload cancel is way too fast on the claymore.

So you would make life harder for other classes because of 3?

"make life harder" ... Any class using the claymore with reload cancel and smart choke just kills everything in seconds. Not to mention biotic power + warp ammo. + claymore has almost sniper range only with smart choke. On any map, i can one shot mooks on the other side of the map. (okay, not Hydra)

And as i said, this is just my opinion, i think claymore is OP because of smart choke + reload cancel, but i don't need/want it to be nerfed/changed, i don't care. (And if you read well, i said i would agree with a smart choke nerf, not a claymore nerf)

EDIT : Reegar has huge damage + limited range. This = shotgun. Reegar is perfect.

Modifié par tictactucrac, 16 janvier 2013 - 06:16 .

[Heldarion]

Annomander wrote...

I think tactical cloak should be nerfed if its tears we are looking for.

Nothing gets BSN's panties in a bunch like talk of tactical cloak nerfs.

Because then me and Feneckus would just sit back and laugh our asses off as BSN explodes.

Harrier / claymore nerfs would create tears on the BSN, but nothing would stir up a gargantuan sh*tstorm like nerfing every n00bs favourite crutch.

I actually wouldn't mind if cloak didn't really cloak, because half the time it has no such effect whatsoever.

[Ashevajak]

This thread is OP. Nerf, biower plz.

[LoneWolf3905]

Its a BFG. Its supposed to a lot of damage.

[sobit]

tictactucrac wrote...

llandwynwyn wrote...

I know it's a joke thread, but if any shotgun needs to be nerfed it's the reegar. At least, remove headshot dmg.

tictactucrac wrote...
Seriously, claymore has sniper range with smart choke + GI/destroyer/Marksman. This is not fair. And reload cancel is way too fast on the claymore.

So you would make life harder for other classes because of 3?

"make life harder" ... Any class using the claymore with reload cancel and smart choke just kills everything in seconds. Not to mention biotic power + warp ammo. + claymore has almost sniper range only with smart choke. On any map, i can one shot mooks on the other side of the map. (okay, not Hydra)

And as i said, this is just my opinion, i think claymore is OP because of smart choke + reload cancel, but i don't need/want it to be nerfed/changed, i don't care. (And if you read well, i said i would agree with a smart choke nerf, not a claymore nerf)

EDIT : Reegar has huge damage + limited range. This = shotgun. Reegar is perfect.

this... actually sounds reasonable. however:
there are other weapons that can do the same, or even better. or at least better in certain niches, so imo it's not really "overpowering" a lot of guns.

and, the Reegar: If it really would be a high risk in this game to get up close and shotgun them to the face, then a gun like the Reegar would be legit. But it's not really that much of a risk. and most of the enemies come up close anyway, so you can basically hide behind soft cover and **** them all up. Imo they valued the limited range too much of a drawback. and besides, in that case, the falcon should oneshot every single trooper unit. because. It's shooting ****ing grenades!?

[Feneckus]

UnknownMercenary wrote...

Cyonan recently made a couple of good threads clarifying this information for the misinformed

Cyonan is biased. He loves infiltrators so he just says a bunch of nonsense. I'd rather my trust my in-game experience.

[stromguard555]

Sooo OP... did you come to that conclusion before or after leveling it up to X and putting on the smart choke V and shotgun high velocity barrel V with shotgun amp III and phasic rounds III?

[Deerber]

llandwynwyn wrote...

I know it's a joke thread, but if any shotgun needs to be nerfed it's the lolreegar. At least, remove headshot dmg  reduce its damage to 25% of what it is now.

This guys gets it.

Modifié par Deerber, 16 janvier 2013 - 07:44 .

[L.ast L.ife]

4ut0b4hn5child27 wrote...

0/100

too predictable

[llandwynwyn]

tictactucrac wrote...

"make life harder" ... Any class using the claymore with reload cancel and smart choke just kills everything in seconds.

You seem to forget smart choke isn't only used on the Claymore. Nerfing it because 3 classes use it to make the Claymore even more OP isn't fair to the rest of classes.

Reegar is more OP than the Claymore, IMHO. At least with the Claymore you have to aim to deserve a headshot.

[Kalas Magnus]

  If it is nerfed I will hunt you down like a wild animal.
/lady nemesis

[Happy Shepard]

inb4reloadcancelisanexploit

[oXTheReverendXo]

RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Annomander wrote...

I think tactical cloak should be nerfed if its tears we are looking for.

Nothing gets BSN's panties in a bunch like talk of tactical cloak nerfs.

Because then me and Feneckus would just sit back and laugh our asses off as BSN explodes.

Harrier / claymore nerfs would create tears on the BSN, but nothing would stir up a gargantuan sh*tstorm like nerfing every n00bs favourite crutch.

Yes, but that should not be a joke, but a true nerf :happy:

What gets me is how illogical people are over it, nobody even TRIES arguing for it to not be nerfed logically, which really says alot, about the power, and about the BSN

That isn't true. You may have missed rational responses because you kind of wanted to, but there are a list of things people use when claiming TC is brutally overpowered.

1. It can deflect aggro, increasing survivability.
2. It means that infiltrators don't have to care about weight capacity at all, because you can get a constant 3 second cooldown.
3. It can globally boost damage for 2.5 seconds, so that means you get boosted damage nearly 50% of the time WTF!

Nobody notes that point 1 is absolutely in contradiction with 2 and 3. If you use an infiltrator with -200% cooldown speed, then you have to decloak immediately or run the risk of getting a 20+ second cooldown, so instead of survivability, you just get an interruption of shield regeneration. The same's true if you want the nearly constant damage boost implied by 3. You also ignore that if you miss cancelling cloak by portions of a second on -200% cooldown speed, you get a pretty big departure from 3 seconds.

People promoting a TC nerf have also said bizarre things like "if we replaced it with submission net on every infiltrator, they'd all be teh suck!" I won't distort your position by claiming that's absolutely everyone that wants a TC nerf, because that would be stupid. Please don't do the same. And don't go claiming it's my personal crutch class. The only Infiltrator I really like is the Human anyways, so I can avoid playing them very easily. I prefer adepts and vanguards, truthfully. Nerf away. I won't get mad. I just don't think people are realistic in how they argue over TC's strengths and weaknesses.

This isn't a discussion about TC nerfing, though. Something about the Claymore?

Yeah, what a beast of a weapon.

Read my post again. Theres a "not" modifier. I actually SUPPORT a Tac cloak overhaul. If you`d actually READ my post, youd have seen that.
And heres is what I said "nobody even TRIES arguing for it to not be nerfed logically"

*Doesn't read post. Accuses other guy of not reading post.*

Read the first paragraph after the numbers. He's giving a logical argument against the three numbered arguments, albeit from the position of not actually giving a ****.

[HinDae]

The Avenger is OP, it kills Husks in like 10 shots!

[unclemonster]

Feneckus wrote...

UnknownMercenary wrote...

Cyonan recently made a couple of good threads clarifying this information for the misinformed

Cyonan is biased. He loves infiltrators so he just says a bunch of nonsense. I'd rather my trust my in-game experience.

Cyonan quotes facts and hard numbers, not nonsense:
People like him, tyhw (?), pedro, and corlist post a ton of valuable info

Here is my opinion:
1. Harrier is great
2. Reegar is great
3. Claymore is great
4. Hurricane is great
5. Tactical Cloak is great

Leave them ALL alone Bioware!!!

[Feneckus]

unclemonster wrote...

Cyonan quotes facts and hard numbers

Usually, which is why no one questions him when he says a bunch of BS because he's earned his credibility. 

[RoundedPlanet88]

oXTheReverendXo wrote...

RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Annomander wrote...

I think tactical cloak should be nerfed if its tears we are looking for.

Nothing gets BSN's panties in a bunch like talk of tactical cloak nerfs.

Because then me and Feneckus would just sit back and laugh our asses off as BSN explodes.

Harrier / claymore nerfs would create tears on the BSN, but nothing would stir up a gargantuan sh*tstorm like nerfing every n00bs favourite crutch.

Yes, but that should not be a joke, but a true nerf :happy:

What gets me is how illogical people are over it, nobody even TRIES arguing for it to not be nerfed logically, which really says alot, about the power, and about the BSN

That isn't true. You may have missed rational responses because you kind of wanted to, but there are a list of things people use when claiming TC is brutally overpowered.

1. It can deflect aggro, increasing survivability.
2. It means that infiltrators don't have to care about weight capacity at all, because you can get a constant 3 second cooldown.
3. It can globally boost damage for 2.5 seconds, so that means you get boosted damage nearly 50% of the time WTF!

Nobody notes that point 1 is absolutely in contradiction with 2 and 3. If you use an infiltrator with -200% cooldown speed, then you have to decloak immediately or run the risk of getting a 20+ second cooldown, so instead of survivability, you just get an interruption of shield regeneration. The same's true if you want the nearly constant damage boost implied by 3. You also ignore that if you miss cancelling cloak by portions of a second on -200% cooldown speed, you get a pretty big departure from 3 seconds.

People promoting a TC nerf have also said bizarre things like "if we replaced it with submission net on every infiltrator, they'd all be teh suck!" I won't distort your position by claiming that's absolutely everyone that wants a TC nerf, because that would be stupid. Please don't do the same. And don't go claiming it's my personal crutch class. The only Infiltrator I really like is the Human anyways, so I can avoid playing them very easily. I prefer adepts and vanguards, truthfully. Nerf away. I won't get mad. I just don't think people are realistic in how they argue over TC's strengths and weaknesses.

This isn't a discussion about TC nerfing, though. Something about the Claymore?

Yeah, what a beast of a weapon.

Read my post again. Theres a "not" modifier. I actually SUPPORT a Tac cloak overhaul. If you`d actually READ my post, youd have seen that.
And heres is what I said "nobody even TRIES arguing for it to not be nerfed logically"

*Doesn't read post. Accuses other guy of not reading post.*

Read the first paragraph after the numbers. He's giving a logical argument against the three numbered arguments, albeit from the position of not actually giving a ****.

*Dosn`t read post, necros argument for trollings sake*
*trolls in attempt for attention*
6/10 for the necro at least
And he agrees with me to some extent then says that hes not. In any event, hes actually refrain from shouting "nerfduck" at the top of his voice, so I`ll give him credit for that. But my originial point is still valid, as the vast majority of tac cloak supporters literally CANNOT give any factual or hard number arguments for their case.
Anyway, don`t needlessly necro a argument for sheer attentions sake, it`s bad form

[3XT3RM1N4TUS]

Too many nerfers on this forum.

Modifié par 3XT3RM1N4TUS, 16 janvier 2013 - 08:52 .

[GlacierRain]

[RoundedPlanet88]

3XT3RM1N4TUS wrote...

Too many nerfers on this forum.

3XT3RM1N4TUS wrote...

"You`re stupid"

I love how this is essentially your response to anything you disagree with.

[vonSlash]

It's only OP because of reload cancelling reducing the reload time by something like 80%, so instead of nerfing the Claymore, we should nerf reload cancelling.

[Kalas Magnus]

^how about, they do both? :]

Modifié par Kalas321, 16 janvier 2013 - 09:21 .