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[Yosuke]

Dorje Sylas wrote...

Yosuke wrote...

It's pretty hard to not survive as a kroguard, so I'd imagine quite a long time unless they just didn't understand the fundamentals of the class at all. That predator wouldn't put me off at all, personally.

Unless you are new to Vanguards in MP and just spam charge all the time, which a Kroguard doesn't do. No if he had the pistol stunner mod... from buying Veterian packs instead of Arsenal or Renforcments, then we'd be talking a different scrub. My guess is he died a lot to Ravager goo and got sync-killed by a Brute or two.

Even when I was 'new' to the demo, guess where the first place I went to look for tips and tricks. Nope some 3rd party site, right here to BSN.

Played a game yesterday where I dumped into in progress Firbase White Geth Gold, yep two new players trying to farm FWGG early 2012 style, and getting owned. How to I know it was intentional? Because first thing I hear upon landing in the match is "hey guys, get down here!" I stopped trying to revive them after Wave 5 and just let them die to Bombers, Drones, and Pyros. Clearly they had found the old Farming guide someplace and thought it was still valid.

I hate FBWGG with a passion for what it did the game for such a long time. Come to think of it, the quality of players that I meet has gone up significantly (again, talking teamwork) since the end of that travesty of a tactic.

As to the kroguard, if he did things like not spec properly, charge banshees on level ground, etc., those would be prime examples of not understanding the fundamentals.

I guess in the end, as long as you're making an effort and being a good team player, I couldn't care less about your skill.

[Yosuke]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

Yosuke wrote...

CrimsonN7 wrote...

LOL!

So how long did he/she survive in the bear pit?

It's pretty hard to not survive as a kroguard, so I'd imagine quite a long time (unless you don't understand the fundamentals of the class) ... That predator wouldn't put me off at all, personally.

And you would be very, very wrong.

I would never condone anti-noob-kroguard prejudice.

But the first time I ever tried one, they ninja'd the difficulty from bronze to silver between games, and I got slaughtered. It was embarrassing, and they kicked me afterwards.

The Kroguard is not a win button. 

Edit: Sorry, Yosuke, fixed that for you. In my defence, I read through quickly.

No harm done, it's nice that you went back and read the actual source. Too many people in this world would let themselves get misled.

[Blind2Society]

Yosuke wrote...

No harm done, it's nice that you went back and read the actual source. Too many people in this world would let themselves get misled.

I didn't intend to mislead. You basically said, that from the evidence in the image I posted, you would assume the guy would fair just fine. And you would have been very, very wrong.

[Yosuke]

Blind2Society wrote...

Yosuke wrote...

No harm done, it's nice that you went back and read the actual source. Too many people in this world would let themselves get misled.

I didn't intend to mislead. You basically said, that from the evidence in the image I posted, you would assume the guy would fair just fine. And you would have been very, very wrong.

I have no words for this, except that I humbly suggest that you do not pursue a career in journalism.

[Mahrac]

On the bright side they'll be useful this weekend.

[CrimsonN7]

Mahrac wrote...

On the bright side they'll be useful this weekend.

If the rumours are true of course!

[Blind2Society]

Yosuke wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

Yosuke wrote...

No harm done, it's nice that you went back and read the actual source. Too many people in this world would let themselves get misled.

I didn't intend to mislead. You basically said, that from the evidence in the image I posted, you would assume the guy would fair just fine. And you would have been very, very wrong.

I have no words for this, except that I humbly suggest that you do not pursue a career in journalism.

How exactly could you post be interpreted any other way? Clearly you shouldn't persue a career in journalism either.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 17 janvier 2013 - 05:15 .

[rosniak]

New guys need to start FROM BRONZE not from GOLD... come on i am sick for playing whit some guys whit rank 113 or 256 or 150 200 or something like that, whit avenger or mattock going for gold.

[OldeGrim]

There is a big difference between a new player who is willing to learn, and listen etc to someone who just hops on for a free ride, keeps dying over and over and not learning from simple mistakes/charging in and dying on purpose.

I am all for playing with people who are willing to use gear consumables as well as in-game consumables.

EDIT: Again though, stop looking at N7 ratings. Look at their challenge points and load outs instead. My N7 rating is 180 but I can easily outplay a lot of players that have 10,000.

And again, it is totally cool to help the new players provided they have a level 20 (or close to it) and are willing to use some gear etc. otherwise they belong in bronze and silver.

Modifié par OldeGrim, 17 janvier 2013 - 05:32 .

[jjddaass]

so what rank are you saying they should have before they go into the gold rosniak

[TheBMT]

Ive friended a bunch of newbies to help out and teach what I know. As well as refer them to better players who have Youtube accts so they can learn from there too.

[billy the squid]

Yes and no. Come into a Gold or higher game with a destroyer wielding a Phaeston V? Noooo you're going to get kicked. Come into a Gold game with a Drell adept wielding a Phaeston V, welcome aboard.

They might suck the first few games and need reviving (I need the first aid medal too) when playing a Drell,Fury, Adept etc. but once they get the hang of it they should be able to do okay using grenades, reave and biotic explosions. Regardless of their weapons. Destroyer, well they're going to do poorly no matter how much they improve, their DPS is almost entirely weapon based and they just don't have a good enough weapon.

[DragonRacer]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

Mahrac wrote...

On the bright side they'll be useful this weekend.

If the rumours are true of course!

Oh, Cri-i-i-i-i-imso-o-o-o-o-on....

Wanna play Geth/Gold with me this weekend, my dear?

[CrimsonN7]

DragonRacer wrote...

CrimsonN7 wrote...

Mahrac wrote...

On the bright side they'll be useful this weekend.

If the rumours are true of course!

Oh, Cri-i-i-i-i-imso-o-o-o-o-on....

Wanna play Geth/Gold with me this weekend, my dear?

Yunno after all this time that still stings Dragon!

[BattleCop88]

Dr. McN1nja wrote...

Finally, people who'd actually help the newbies rather than endlessly complain...

[Blind2Society]

Only once have I ever had a new player join my gold game who had a mic and was actively trying to learn how to play.

Actually twice, but the second time it was a guy from down under (had a bad connection to me) and it was his first match of MP (carebaers/condor/gold). After the match he said he was going to play some bronze and try to find a better host for him.

The first guy was cool and all in the room were willing to help him (though only he and I had a mic). The first match went by smoothly. Then on the second i told him to do something (can't recall what) and he went to do it (I meant after the match). He got kicked after being AFK and I had forgotten his name so I couldn't add him.

Those were the only times I've ever had somebody who was actually trying to learn from better players. The others are all just, herp derp, no mic, no equipment, low level everything, ready up immediately. Then they run off and die instantly, gel instantly, repeat and spend the rest of the match dead.

If you have a mic, bring your best gear, strap all the consumable you've got I will be more than glad to help you out and share what I know. But don't come into the room with nothing, ready up immidiately and hope to get carried. If you want people to help you, have some manners.

[Vic Rattler]

As a newb (not a noob) who's been lurking this forum, this is a nice thread to see... Although I'm not even gonna try gold at this point, been using up my best gear on Br & Sl when I can't find more than one other player...

Question on guns: better to use on the higher difficulties, a lvl X common or lvl 1 UR?

[Blind2Society]

Vic Rattler wrote...

Question on guns: better to use on the higher difficulties, a lvl X common or lvl 1 UR?

Depends on the gun, class, your skill level and what works for you.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 17 janvier 2013 - 06:47 .

[Imperator_Prime]

I agree... to an extent.  Generally when I see newer players (or players whose N7/Challenge ratings suggest that they're new-ish, since it isn't an ironclad indicator) I'm glad to try and share info with them.  I mostly play bronze & silver anyway.  But the other day I was in a lobby for a gold match and an N7-12 joined with a level 1 turian engineer and Avenger-I.  I voted to boot him because to me he just looked like a millstone we'd have around our necks.  Maybe he would have been really good or maybe he was just overzealous, but when you show up to gold looking really green, you shouldn't be shocked if more experienced folk see you as a liability.

[rosniak]

jjddaass wrote...

so what rank are you saying they should have before they go into the gold rosniak

Well 1 friend started around rank N7 400. I started to do gold games around rank ~700,~800, when i got almost
all my rare up to X  and got most of characters. Do you think that somebody whit Phaeston II can make gold  game ?
Or maybe somebody whit Predator X will do damage like somebody whit Widow or Javelin (even on rank I). Do you tihnk that somebody that started to play this game Mp's this morning is good like somebody that play this from release date ?
1st at all new guys need to learn game mechanics- like run away from enemy that can sync-kill them (Banshee's, Atlas, Phantom's), at what waves are objectives (3.6.10 ) and what kind of objective is (pizza delivery; VIP killing; and others).
2nd They need  to buy Veteran packs from beggining, so to get better than uncommon, like common weapons and chars. When they unlocked some of that weapons/gears/characters they can go to Silver and start working for Spectre packs and for rare. And when they learn how to use this weapons and characters ( cuz to see Asari Adept whit Black widow and harrier is so...), when they found character that they like to play whit it, then and only then they can go for GOLD.
(oh yeah and maximize they medi-gels/ops/missiles or atleast got them to 4 for gold game) 

[Vic Rattler]

Blind2Society wrote...

Vic Rattler wrote...

Question on guns: better to use on the higher difficulties, a lvl X common or lvl 1 UR?

Depends on the gun, class, your skill level and what works for you.

right, but a high level common on the harder settings isn't worthless right? Assuming you've got a good character to go along with it?

[Blind2Society]

Vic Rattler wrote...

right, but a high level common on the harder settings isn't worthless right? Assuming you've got a good character to go along with it?

It really depends on a lot of factors. If a person doesn't have much experience (low skill level) a common at X really is pretty much useless on gold. However, there are classes that can make them work.

If you share what class, weapons and difficulty you are specifically thinking about we could help.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 17 janvier 2013 - 07:11 .

[Cassandra Saturn]

golden24ersa wrote...

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

golden24ersa wrote...

Phoenix535 wrote...

So recently I've noticed alot of negativity on BSN twoards rookies who are trying to made transtions to higher difficulties or just figure out how toplay the game. Everyone was a noob once, and I've seen tooo many threads complaining about them. Whenever I see someone who's got a low level loadout I welcome the chance to try and give them some expeince in hgiher difficulty levels, sure it may be a bit tougher but we all had to start out somewhere. Me and my friends always welcome the chance, as long as we think we can take it.

It's a sign of the growing community, and the simple fact of the matter is to everyone complaining about new people on gold. YOU HAVE TO PLAY WITH THEM, if you don't ever actually let any rookies play, how will they ever gain experince, and actually be able to compentenly play that level (actually some rookies are quite good, not that a majority o the people here would give them the chance to find out.) that you keep on complaining they don't have enough expeirnce to be in???

Honestly, if anything we should all be trying our best to help them, teach them how to reload cancel, share builds whatever! in the end your'e just making the community you play in all the better. We were all rookies once.

And also, any rookies (yes I know not many visit BSN, but theres an off chance) who are trying to transtion to gold, or want some gameplay tips, shoot me a msg (PS3) and I'll see if I can help.

I welcome new people as well, but there is a point where they are trying to rush their progression through the levels. Over xmas game was on a great sale, so that is where we got some new players. Grabbed it for my cousin in fact, and unfortunately trying to teach him the game frankly is slowly killing me. He is awesome in Battlefield 3, and other FPS, but wants to walk in top the score board. regardless if it means actually doing objectives etc... He has all the horrible mannerisms that anyone who has played the game has. Opts out of objectives "to clear the way", but has no idea where the spawn points are, or the mechanics enough to actually benefit the team by doing it. He doesn't seem himself properly. He is a really good can carry Bronze, and a midrange silver player, but not even remotely ready for gold, unless I take him in, and baby sit and ride his ass the whole time to not be a stupid. I have encouraged lots of players that they are ready for transition, and even add them to my friends list, and when my normal team needs a 4th they get the offer to raise up into the majoirs. Ways to know if you are ready for Gold at least have your avenger maxed to level x, and you'll still not be scoring well. The ability to stay alive in my opinion most important out of scoring well. At least be a good decoy if you can't kill things. Learn the weak points on all the enemies before transitioning. I am even willing to bypass those thing if you have a working mic, and are willing to accept directions. It is basic learning with super rare exceptions if you got the game over xmas you should not be in gold yet. If you top the score board with your avenger every time in silver than welcome to gold. If not devlope your skill, and we'll see you soon.

He's good at other FPSs, but fail on Gold? :innocent:


To clarify : you don't need to be uberleet when you pick up ME3 MP to play Gold. You need a modicum of common sense (Don't stand in the middle of an open area, etc..) and basic aiming skills.

Survivability is paramount when you start the game. Clear times probably will be longer because you don't know the game mechanics/have meh guns/mods/gear, but you can still clear gold without too much trouble. 

I say good, because he has topped the score board in Battlefield 3 a few times.( Better score than both teams. )  The couple times the silver lobby decided we should do gold, while I was baby sitting he didn't entirely drool on himself, and shame the family name, but that doesn't mean him and his low level avenger belong there. Plus, he had the benefit of my specing his charecters with proven awesomeness of you, Dumael, Stardusk, Annomander, and everyone else shear genius builds. So think that helped a lot. I used him as an example, because he didn't entirely fail on gold, even got him to extraction in one piece with random public lobbies, but on his own with just a random public lobby he probably doesn't belong there unless a concensus of a silver lobby decide we've got this lets up the difficulty.
Plus, I may just being harsh, because I nearly unfriended him playing left 4 dead 2, and his friend the other day in a fit of rage. I swear if I would ahve been shot one more time, or caught on fire, and have my med pack stolen I think I may have driven across town, and slapped them both around.
You make valid points on your suggestions. I highly encourage everyone to not stand in the open, and be cannon fodder.

you should check my BF3 score on PS3.. highest ranking lol

[Strongwater]

I never played any FPS/TPS before ME3 (at least not since UT2K4...), and I think that gave me fewer bad habits to break/a greater willingness to learn from others than hotshots from other games.

Modifié par Strongwater, 17 janvier 2013 - 07:24 .

[SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING]

the ratio i will play with nubs is 2:2, that is the maximum butthurt level i will be acceptable with before i leave the lobby. Even then i will not make it my primary objective to usian bolt across the map to revive you....basically i just leave them to the wolves....and i let the game mechanics do the work