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[RinuCZ]

Ah, a small misunderstanding. I agree with you, LPPrince.

Modifié par RinuCZ, 22 mars 2013 - 04:15 .

[LPPrince]

And even then, I'd bet money we'd see a lesbian lead far before a gay male lead because there's still that male-driven focus, and most guys are cool with girls loving girls. But there's still a layer of homophobia there as far as guys loving guys goes, which is why we apparently can't have a new IP with a gay male lead.

Gaming needs to grow up.

[felipejiraya]

Finally finished the game, great story and overall good game but with a totally anti-climatic final boss with those damned QTEs.

[Kronner]

LPPrince wrote...

And even then, I'd bet money we'd see a lesbian lead far before a gay male lead because there's still that male-driven focus, and most guys are cool with girls loving girls. But there's still a layer of homophobia there as far as guys loving guys goes, which is why we apparently can't have a new IP with a gay male lead.

Gaming needs to grow up.

What is the link between "grow up, gaming" and "gay lead character"?

Riddle me that.

[Shepenwepet]

LPPrince wrote...

I don't believe there's a homosexual lead to any game yet, male OR female. If there is, I'm not aware of one. Girls or guys, they're either heterosexual or bisexual.

Here's one: Hana Tsu Vachel from Fear Effect. If I remember right, that was their major selling point for the second game. It must not have made that big of a splash as hardly anyone remembers it today.

[Milan92]

Kronner wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

And even then, I'd bet money we'd see a lesbian lead far before a gay male lead because there's still that male-driven focus, and most guys are cool with girls loving girls. But there's still a layer of homophobia there as far as guys loving guys goes, which is why we apparently can't have a new IP with a gay male lead.

Gaming needs to grow up.

What is the link between "grow up, gaming" and "gay lead character"?

Riddle me that.

He is saying that there would be an outrage among alot of male gamers if they give us a game at some point with a gay leading character, while there is no need for that since a gay character is just as normal as a straight chraracter.

Its all about tolerance.

Modifié par Milan92, 22 mars 2013 - 04:31 .

[RinuCZ]

Shepenwepet wrote...
Here's one: Hana Tsu Vachel from Fear Effect. If I remember right, that was their major selling point for the second game. It must not have made that big of a splash as hardly anyone remembers it today.

Wasn't she bisexual, Shepenwepet?

(I started playing the first installment recently and have heard that it's ultra-hard to get happy conclusion for the pair in sequel.)

Modifié par RinuCZ, 22 mars 2013 - 04:33 .

[Shepenwepet]

RinuCZ wrote...
Wasn't she bisexual, Shepenwepet?

Entirely possible - I have to admit I'd never actually played the games, so all I know was what I got out of magazines and the like. Oh well, I tried, lol 

[RinuCZ]

Neither do I, I have to win the fight with PS1 controls first .

Gah, a work day is finally over and I can get back to be stressed over re-spawning wolves in TR soon, lol.

Modifié par RinuCZ, 22 mars 2013 - 04:54 .

[Jonathan28]

Lara lesbian? Ohhhh boy, people don't know what their getting themselves into. Even though it would obviously be popular with the guys it would be a bad idea for that very reason. Lara's character would get degraded fast, no one would take her seriously anymore, she would become an even bigger sex object than she was before(if that's even possible). Friends of mine are already throwing the lesbian jokes around, lets not add fuel to the fire. Just keep her single forever.

On the gay lead thing, yeah, we won;t see that for a looooooooonnngggg time. I don't even expect to see a high profile game like that ever made, it would be too controversial, and not in the good way. A game like that would not sell well, at all. Gaming is still the territory of the geezers, the lads if you know what I mean, they love some girl-on-girl action but they see two blokes being affectionate towards each other they need to go and scrub out the image etched on their brain.

Many(most?) guys just are not comfortable seeing guys get cozy with other guys, it's ingrained. I don't think it will ever change tbh, a hell of alot of social brainwashing would have to take place for attitudes to change.

Modifié par Jonathan28, 22 mars 2013 - 05:49 .

[Lenimph]

 Uhh everyone. You can have a non-heterosexual character be the lead series of a successful media. As long as you don't keep it as the "main focus". 

http://i.oc.gs/sapis

Modifié par Lenimph, 22 mars 2013 - 06:41 .

[Druss99]

slimgrin wrote...

I don't care either way, but after reading Sam's diaries and seeing her behavior, I was starting to wonder. Or maybe I just like lesbians.

All the crew's diaries were like that. Everything they wrote was all "LARA!!! SQUEEEEE!!!" Sam also mentioned her and Lara on a trip with alot of cute guys.

Then again I find caring either way about a fictional characters sexual orientation a waste of time. I'd be more concerned with how they will expand upon things like survival, puzzles, actual tomb raiding and maybe move away from being a shooter to a degree as opposed to who Lara is getting it on with.

[Lenimph]

Not true. Reyes didn't like Lara for majority of the game remember.  And the other archeaologist admired Lara but wasn't squee over her, and ends up throwing her under the rug.  The only ones that really "SQUEE" are Sam and Alex.  Possibly Roth... but that's a fatherly proud squee. 

Modifié par Lenimph, 22 mars 2013 - 06:44 .

[LPPrince]

Lenimph wrote...

 Uhh everyone. You can have a non-heterosexual character be the lead series of a successful media. As long as you don't keep it as the "main focus". 

http://i.oc.gs/sapis

I miss you Xena, you warrior princess you.

But anyway, games are the point. Gaming is still quite young, and still hasn't evolved to the point where its mature enough to accept things like lead homosexual characters.

Movies were like that too in their infancy.

[happy_daiz]

I knew it! Brynjolf and Ulfric Stormcloak's VAs (ala Skyrim) WERE in Tomb Raider!

Robin Atkin Downes (Roth)
Vladimir Kulich (Nikolai/Solarii)

Full cast and crew on imdb.

My husband thinks I'm weird for being able to pick voices out in games.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 22 mars 2013 - 06:52 .

[LPPrince]

Mom's not gonna let that one go ever. I promise you.

[Milan92]

 Awesome that they got Robin Atkin Downes. I remember him playing Tenzin in Uncharted 2! 

[happy_daiz]

LPPrince wrote...

Mom's not gonna let that one go ever. I promise you.

True enough.

Oh, and BTW, Varric Tethris' VA (DA2) is in the new Gears (Brian Bloom). His is an easy one to pick out, though.

Back on topic, I still need to go back and pick up the few remaining collectibles I missed. Sometime.

[RinuCZ]

It depends, Jonathan. The portrayal of Nathan and Elena's attraction has been very mild in Uncharted and yet it isn't subtext and I dare to say it's obvious enough for everyone. If same is applied in Tomb Raider, for example, it's a pure sidestory adding to the complete picture instead of a material for a teenager's fun moments.
Witcher is a prime example of two approaches. Books contain valid gay storylines, always for sake of story and because they're a part of character. I almost never hear people discussing this aspect. Games use such characters to titillate and it has a desirable effect. Ask people about the game and they almost always bring that up.

It can be also done properly, not just as a fetish.

[Milan92]

happy_daiz wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Mom's not gonna let that one go ever. I promise you.

True enough.

Oh, and BTW, Varric Tethris' VA (DA2) is in the new Gears (Brian Bloom). His is an easy one to pick out, though.

Back on topic, I still need to go back and pick up the few remaining collectibles I missed. Sometime.

I still need to finnish the story LOL 

[happy_daiz]

Well, what are you waiting for?

[Milan92]

 Having too many games to play at the same time 

Also I'll just leave this here: 

[Druss99]

Lenimph wrote...

Not true. Reyes didn't like Lara for majority of the game remember.  And the other archeaologist admired Lara but wasn't squee over her, and ends up throwing her under the rug.  The only ones that really "SQUEE" are Sam and Alex.  Possibly Roth... but that's a fatherly proud squee. 

I worded that badly. I meant all the diaries were just an excuse for people to talk about Lara. Almost all of them shoehorned a mention of her in. Sam just suffered from having absolutely nothing else to talk about because she existed simply to be Lara's friend and get kidnapped/be Japanese.

Anyway that's about as close as I'd like to get to discussing the sexual orientation of people who don't exist. Life is short enough.

The game was excellent, but the fact that there will be no single player DLC means I'm done with it for now and will sell it. Might pick it up again in a couple of years for another playthrough. Looking forward to the sequel.

[LPPrince]

Technically isn't Sam Portuguese?

I should shut up as my royal lines are all over the place, I'm a mixed goddamn bag like she is