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[esper]

Reikilea wrote...

Oh great another I want Cullen and Cassandra thread.

So I want new original romances. New original characters. Not Cullen, who seems to stalk every hero of the story. Really illogical. And shouldn´t Cassandra by searching for Hawke? Why would she accompany this hero?

So new characters. Some really nice guy and Tevinter magister. Cute dwarven girl and strong (and definitely not naive and stupid as we got in the last one) elvish warrior something as Arianne was.

I generally agree with thise, I want new companions over all. No just for LI's.

Though I the LI's ends up being, Cullen, Cassandra, Tallis, Unknown man, then I really hope Unknown man is intersting because....

[Knight of Dane]

Gah, is romance options would be limited to Cullen, Cassandra and Tallis I'm not sure I would even romance anyone. >_>

New characters!
Completely new cast!

[esper]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Gah, is romance options would be limited to Cullen, Cassandra and Tallis I'm not sure I would even romance anyone. >_>

New characters!
Completely new cast!

Completely agree.

The above is like worst scenario for LI's.

[Selene Moonsong]

New character should mean new romance option, IMHO.

As I stated in another topic, what I would like to see is something like the the below...
 

What I would like to see for romances are scenarios like the following

1. Not having a set 'doomed romance' interest (of those available as romantic interests). 

This would require quite a bit of finesse on the writers part, I think, but have it so that any one of the possible romantic interests could end up a doomed romance based on the protagonists actions (such as decisions or other actions by the protagonist).

2. Opposites attract. 

This would be something like being based on mutual respect and trust gained throughout the game events and romance arc.

3. NPC romantic interest with another NPC (rival suitors). 

This scenario would be where both the PC and an NPC have a romantic interest in another NPC and could go several ways such as a bitter rivalry, rejections, the rivals ending up romantically interested in each other, etc.

4. Tragic

This could mean any kind of breakup or other loss of the romantic interest either to a suitor or because of a disagreement, or any other tragic end.

5. Romanced based of character's actions

An NPC sees the PC as possible romantic interest based on actions taken by the PC as they progress through the game (the NPC starts the romance (something like was done with Merril

6. Forbidden romance

This could consist of things such as a mage and a templar, royalty and commoner, etc.

7. Unrequited romance

One that never is never fulfilled.

There are always different possibilities. 

I enjoy romances, friendships, and even rivalries because they tend to give a NPC more depth and give a player insight to the characters. Fleshed out NPC characters make them far more interesting to have along than their stats and abilities to me.

Some  things I dislike in games is gratuitous sex for the sake of having sex, and identifying a romance as an achievement on a checklist, and not fond of not being able to let down a suiter gently.

I am perfectly fine with same gender romance options and enjoyed those offered in DA: Origins and DA II.

[esper]

1. Doomed romanced:
I don't know because I am unsure what is meant with doomed, that one of the partners die (or would that be tragic), that the romance fails no matter what you do, or only partly because of what you do, because if it is the latter we have already had it in Alistair.

2. Opposites attract:


First off, why would you be interested in someone who was the completely opposite off you?
Second off these time of relationships almost always ends up, a: Not working, b: one of the partners radically chanhing the other not so much, or dominating the other person. 


Not that it can't be interesting, my one rivalromance with Anders was, but it borders on abusive and honestly even my rival Hawke and Anders weren't that opposite...

There is also the fact that this can't be forced. The writer of the LI's makes the Li's personalities not the PC, so they will never gurantee that the romance is an opposites attract.

3. Okay, that could be fun for a change.

4. I am really not seeing the difference between tragic and doomed here, but I do not think that an break up is tragic.

5. This is could also agree with.

6. I think that romance with an abormination pretty much went there, else I don't think that if a templar is an LI he should have much more spefic dialog just because the PC is a mage other than Fenris did. It would just unbalanced one romance in comparison to the others. It should be a romance that was forbidden for all PC's, which might be difficult to sell.

7. Unrequireted is different from doomed tragic, how? If we are back to simply not reprociated then we have that in da2 with every non romance companion, I assume it will be the same in the next.

[legbamel]

I would adore it if my choices outside of one-on-one conversations affected a romance. Whether such branching is possible is a more difficult question, though. I would think there's only so much time and money devs can devote to integrating romances with the overall plot unless you have essentially the same romance with different characters. That would force the companions into all being the same for the sake of romances which I doubt anyone would enjoy, however.

I'm glad to see writers encouraging the idea of variety in romances, though, and would love to see that carry over into all companions, romanced or not. It would offer role players a great reason to start over and play an entirely different character to see what effect it has on party dynamics and how NPCs relate to the PC.

That presumes, of course, that "doomed" romances don't end with the entire relationship never being mentioned in-game again and other LIs putting the moves on the PC within fifteen minutes. That was really disturbing for my Thane-mancing Sheps.

[esper]

legbamel wrote...

I would adore it if my choices outside of one-on-one conversations affected a romance. Whether such branching is possible is a more difficult question, though. I would think there's only so much time and money devs can devote to integrating romances with the overall plot unless you have essentially the same romance with different characters. That would force the companions into all being the same for the sake of romances which I doubt anyone would enjoy, however.

I'm glad to see writers encouraging the idea of variety in romances, though, and would love to see that carry over into all companions, romanced or not. It would offer role players a great reason to start over and play an entirely different character to see what effect it has on party dynamics and how NPCs relate to the PC.

That presumes, of course, that "doomed" romances don't end with the entire relationship never being mentioned in-game again and other LIs putting the moves on the PC within fifteen minutes. That was really disturbing for my Thane-mancing Sheps.

You know what would be interesting.
Exclusive companions who were LI.
Of course this would be difficult to balance, but for example let's say the to male LI's is a templar and a mage (the mage could be elven too, if we must have non-human choice) and then being able to get only one of them on the team.

I think it could be interesting.

[Reikilea]

esper wrote...
2. Opposites attract:


First off, why would you be interested in someone who was the completely opposite off you?
Second off these time of relationships almost always ends up, a: Not working, b: one of the partners radically chanhing the other not so much, or dominating the other person. 


Not that it can't be interesting, my one rivalromance with Anders was, but it borders on abusive and honestly even my rival Hawke and Anders weren't that opposite...

There is also the fact that this can't be forced. The writer of the LI's makes the Li's personalities not the PC, so they will never gurantee that the romance is an opposites attract.

I kind of agree with you. I don´t really like rivalry romances, I find the unrealistic. Anders rivalromance is definitely not working for me. Yes books, tales, films, games established this troope that if you hate the you love,

But usually it´s more like opposite personality based, not totally different life goals.  Two people discovering they have a lot in commonc. Whereas in DA2 Anders rival romance is more like - two people who have nothing in common, forced to be together.

Why woudl Anders be with someone who hates who he is, who deflect his cause, who openly supports templars and kills mages. For me it doesn´t make sense to be with someone who is against things you stand for - somethins you devoted your whole life for. Just to convince this person? And mean time be quite abusive and bad to the person you are supposed to love. Why would he love templar? Or blood mage if that somethign he hates? Why would he even follow you? For me it felt forced as you said.

Feris rivalmance works, it actually workd much better than friendmance. Because you are actually nice to him, trying to show him that yes Dan was bad to you, but look at me or at Beth - its typical theme of not everyone you hate is bad, look at me or Bethany, there is good in life. But in Anders case its - you are wrong, mages are evil here sleep with me, love my hate for your kind. 

So from DA:I I want realistic romance.  

[Renmiri1]

Talking as someone who romanced Thane on ME2, I know enough about tragic, doomed romance to want nothing like it again.

Thane, for those who don't know about it, has been diagnosed with a terminal illness that affects a lot of people from his planet. When you meet him he is pretty much attempting to die via "suicide by cop".

Still, he was an LI, and foolishly enough I decided to go for it.

In ME2 it wasn't that bad, he and Shepard know that there's and end but they want to spend all the moments leading up to it together "my time is limited but all of it is yours" he says. Thane rediscovers life and patches things up with his estranged son. After that, he wants to live, to be with you and his son he abandoned long ago. The game ends with some faint hope of a cure but mostly with the sense you will be with him every step of the way.

Comes ME3 and he refuses to be with you, refuses treatments that might save him and goes the "suicide by cop" route again. Realistic ? He dies a hero but there is no mourning for him. None. People who were with you and him in ME2 never mention him again. Even 2 times worse, your squad mates try to jump into your pants the minute he dies. You don't even get a romance achievement in ME3 if you stay loyal to his memory.

So no, doomed romances aren't well done by BW. I wish I had never fallen for it on ME2.

[DialupToaster]

MisterJB wrote...

Cassandra. Give us Cassandra Pentaghast!

And suddenly all I can think of is this scene from "The Mist"




"We want..... THE BOY! WE WANT THE BOY!....." as they all close in with knives....

Modifié par randomchasegurney, 21 janvier 2013 - 01:43 .

[Battlebloodmage]

I hope Cullen is one of the options. He seems like an interesting character. A tormented templar would surely make an interesting love story.

[DialupToaster]

Ugh..... How much angst can the bsn stomach? Cullen would likely just end up as an Anders 2.0 only pro Templar....(already was that in 1 and hasn't gotten better in 2) I ask only for at least ONE sane love interest.

[New Display Name]

Cullen wasn't sane in DA2?
Cullen was tormented in DA2?
wat

[DialupToaster]

HJF4
Your psot confuses me.....
In DAO he was a bit busy shouting "kill all the mages!" and shouting at walls.....
In DA2 he was busy unleashing his own brand of police brutality on other Templars....
How is he NOT insane in your eyes?

Modifié par randomchasegurney, 21 janvier 2013 - 04:27 .

[Reikilea]

randomchasegurney wrote...

HJF4
Your psot confuses me.....
In DAO he was a bit busy shouting "kill all the mages!" and shouting at walls.....
In DA2 he was busy unleashing his own brand of police brutality on other Templars....
How is he NOT insane in your eyes?

I thought he was still about - kill all the mages in DA2. He did helped Meredith to wipe out mages underground and everyone supporting them. He seemed pretty enthusiastic about that. 

I take it back. Girls want Cullen because there is a great possibility for drama in this romance. Really big hurt and comfort drama. Tears and scars and all of that.

Modifié par Reikilea, 21 janvier 2013 - 10:29 .

[Blazingkats]

I want a blonde chick with fire coming out of her mouth

[MiSS Provencale]

I want Cullen and Cassandra for romance options^^

[wright1978]

I adored Isabela in DA2. So i'd be happy if there are a couple of former NPC's elevated to companion status. I'd defintely like Cassandra as a potential romance option of the regularly posted suggestions. Obviously there should also be completely new companions.

[Itkovian]

I imagine none of the returnable characters would be romancable, as it simplifies thing, but I wouldn't be troubled if some were (so long as we're not talking about NPCs my characters have already romanced).

As for Tallis, meh. Somehow I'm not that enthused about the quirky elf rogue who also happens to be Qunari Thought Police. Let's just say there's a lot of baggage that comes with that.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

My problem with Tallis is that she says she's Qunari she's in the Qunari system but she doesn't follow the Qun at all. She's flirting and kissing people, that is not the Qunari way. The only people you are suppose to love are the people in your group and you love them the way Sten loved the Warden like a brother/sister. Sex in Qunari society is nothing but a machanical way to create children and the only Qunari that are allowed to do that are the ones given permission and they can only do it with people that have been selected for them. Tallis went against the Qun by killing the Saarabas when she was suppose to bring him back.

Talis doesn't follow the doctrine.

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

I wouldn't mind seeing Tallis back. I was just playing MotA again yesterday and cracking up when she says she can do a nug call and Hawke looks at her funny and she states that Hawke is the one that just went elbow deep in wyvern **** and Hawke think she is the crazy one.

[Xilizhra]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

My problem with Tallis is that she says she's Qunari she's in the Qunari system but she doesn't follow the Qun at all. She's flirting and kissing people, that is not the Qunari way. The only people you are suppose to love are the people in your group and you love them the way Sten loved the Warden like a brother/sister. Sex in Qunari society is nothing but a machanical way to create children and the only Qunari that are allowed to do that are the ones given permission and they can only do it with people that have been selected for them. Tallis went against the Qun by killing the Saarabas when she was suppose to bring him back.

Talis doesn't follow the doctrine.

I actually like this about her. I enjoy seeing more qunari who don't quite adhere to the system, largely because I find the system despicable.

[SeismicGravy]

These two please.



Kudos to AndreaShepard for the amazing artwork.

[LobselVith8]

esper wrote...

I generally agree with this, I want new companions over all. No just for LI's.

Though if the LI's ends up being, Cullen, Cassandra, Tallis, Unknown man, then I really hope Unknown man is intersting because.... 

Yeah, I can't picture myself creating a protagonist who will help Cassandra, Cullen, or Tallis in their endeavors, or who will fall for someone who is the embodiment of everything he despises. I hope those characters aren't forced on the protagonist as companions.

I think a non-human love interest who can provide a different cultural (and non-Andrastian) perspective on Thedas would be interesting.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 22 janvier 2013 - 11:46 .

[mopotter]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Talking as someone who romanced Thane on ME2, I know enough about tragic, doomed romance to want nothing like it again.

Thane, for those who don't know about it, has been diagnosed with a terminal illness that affects a lot of people from his planet. When you meet him he is pretty much attempting to die via "suicide by cop".

Still, he was an LI, and foolishly enough I decided to go for it.

In ME2 it wasn't that bad, he and Shepard know that there's and end but they want to spend all the moments leading up to it together "my time is limited but all of it is yours" he says. Thane rediscovers life and patches things up with his estranged son. After that, he wants to live, to be with you and his son he abandoned long ago. The game ends with some faint hope of a cure but mostly with the sense you will be with him every step of the way.

Comes ME3 and he refuses to be with you, refuses treatments that might save him and goes the "suicide by cop" route again. Realistic ? He dies a hero but there is no mourning for him. None. People who were with you and him in ME2 never mention him again. Even 2 times worse, your squad mates try to jump into your pants the minute he dies. You don't even get a romance achievement in ME3 if you stay loyal to his memory.

So no, doomed romances aren't well done by BW. I wish I had never fallen for it on ME2.

Also don't want a doomed romance but I actually liked Thane's romance and having him die in ME3 worked for me, though it could have been a lot better, the meeting at the hospital stands out as a bad loss of posibility.  I didn't have a problem with anyone coming on to Shepard after he died, but it would have been nice if someone mentioned it.   And I had a Shepard who romanced Kaidan then left him on Virmire, but only did this once.  It was tragic, actually I think she's the one who romanced Thane and then lost him in ME3.  Unlucky in love.   But  I would not want another Thane type romance in DA3.

If I were able to pick my romance styles I'd like:
a romance that was based on mutual attitude.  evil/evil   good/good  and one you could sway either way.  I'd like the one oposite to my character to be killable when they try to kill me sometime after finding out how different we are, or at least telliing them to leave or having them take off on their own.  I liked having the option of killing Zev or recruiting him depending on the type of character I was playing.  

I hope they have good dialogue and at least one of them makes me laugh.  So far I've been able to find at least one romance in the past games that I ike.  Hoping for the best.