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[ShadyKat]

Female Kossith/qunari and female dwarf is all I want. Doubt da3 has either, because the series seems to avoid romances that are a tad bit different. Humans and elves are done to death in fantasy, can't say I have ever seen dwarf romance in any game, movie or book.






Funny how Mass Effect you can romance a giant space lizardbird, and a chicken leg girl, stuck in a hazmat suit. Yet DA seems to get touchy with non humans.(not counting elves, since for some reason they always get a pass)

[BombThatDeadGuy]

I would prefer if we didn't have previous romancable characters to be back as romance options. Some people want them back and that's okay I just don't like the idea of well, cheating on past me. I would prefer if the romancable characters were just all new since we are playing as a new character.

[Blackrising]

BombThatDeadGuy wrote...

I would prefer if we didn't have previous romancable characters to be back as romance options. Some people want them back and that's okay I just don't like the idea of well, cheating on past me. I would prefer if the romancable characters were just all new since we are playing as a new character.

I agree...unless Morrigan shows up and decides to give my Femquisitor a shot. That's a whooole different story.

[esper]

Reikilea wrote...

esper wrote...
2. Opposites attract:


First off, why would you be interested in someone who was the completely opposite off you?
Second off these time of relationships almost always ends up, a: Not working, b: one of the partners radically chanhing the other not so much, or dominating the other person. 


Not that it can't be interesting, my one rivalromance with Anders was, but it borders on abusive and honestly even my rival Hawke and Anders weren't that opposite...

There is also the fact that this can't be forced. The writer of the LI's makes the Li's personalities not the PC, so they will never gurantee that the romance is an opposites attract.

I kind of agree with you. I don´t really like rivalry romances, I find the unrealistic. Anders rivalromance is definitely not working for me. Yes books, tales, films, games established this troope that if you hate the you love,

But usually it´s more like opposite personality based, not totally different life goals.  Two people discovering they have a lot in commonc. Whereas in DA2 Anders rival romance is more like - two people who have nothing in common, forced to be together.

Why woudl Anders be with someone who hates who he is, who deflect his cause, who openly supports templars and kills mages. For me it doesn´t make sense to be with someone who is against things you stand for - somethins you devoted your whole life for. Just to convince this person? And mean time be quite abusive and bad to the person you are supposed to love. Why would he love templar? Or blood mage if that somethign he hates? Why would he even follow you? For me it felt forced as you said.

Feris rivalmance works, it actually workd much better than friendmance. Because you are actually nice to him, trying to show him that yes Dan was bad to you, but look at me or at Beth - its typical theme of not everyone you hate is bad, look at me or Bethany, there is good in life. But in Anders case its - you are wrong, mages are evil here sleep with me, love my hate for your kind. 

So from DA:I I want realistic romance.  

As said I did get Anders rivalmance to work even if it was a lot of work. It was basically Hawke (who were also a mage) going:  Vengeance is evil please fight him, and can't you see you'll get yourself killed?, while Anders was 'Please come to my side'. So it worked, but an healthy relationship, it wasn't.

but I couldn't get Fenris to work because no matter what I ended up feeling that Fenris basically always would hate an large part of Hawke.

And that is why I think that bioware can't make a romance where the premise of the romance is opposite attracts, because for that to work bioware has to no just predict the companions personality, but also the PC which they can't do. All the can do is open up for romance on the 'rival' side of the spectre and hope the players themself are willing to make it work, which can be dangerous.

[esper]

LobselVith8 wrote...

esper wrote...

I generally agree with this, I want new companions over all. No just for LI's.

Though if the LI's ends up being, Cullen, Cassandra, Tallis, Unknown man, then I really hope Unknown man is intersting because.... 

Yeah, I can't picture myself creating a protagonist who will help Cassandra, Cullen, or Tallis in their endeavors, or who will fall for someone who is the embodiment of everything he despises. I hope those characters aren't forced on the protagonist as companions.

I think a non-human love interest who can provide a different cultural (and non-Andrastian) perspective on Thedas would be interesting.

The problem with reacurring characters is there will be a large gap between what our PC knows and we as an player knows.

Forexample, should Anders have told Hawke about his 7 esacpe attemps?

That is why I don't want characters we have been exposed too, either doing game like Cullen and Tallis or outside games like Cassandra in the movie.

Completely minor character like Isabella from da:o to da2 I am fine with.

[Nightdragon8]

BombThatDeadGuy wrote...

I would prefer if we didn't have previous romancable characters to be back as romance options. Some people want them back and that's okay I just don't like the idea of well, cheating on past me. I would prefer if the romancable characters were just all new since we are playing as a new character.

or could just be "blocked" from being a romance... tho in reality, your "past self" has disappred on your "love" and left them so why shouldn't they be allowed to move on?

[Knight of Dane]

esper wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

esper wrote...

I generally agree with this, I want new companions over all. No just for LI's.

Though if the LI's ends up being, Cullen, Cassandra, Tallis, Unknown man, then I really hope Unknown man is intersting because.... 

Yeah, I can't picture myself creating a protagonist who will help Cassandra, Cullen, or Tallis in their endeavors, or who will fall for someone who is the embodiment of everything he despises. I hope those characters aren't forced on the protagonist as companions.

I think a non-human love interest who can provide a different cultural (and non-Andrastian) perspective on Thedas would be interesting.

The problem with reacurring characters is there will be a large gap between what our PC knows and we as an player knows.

Forexample, should Anders have told Hawke about his 7 esacpe attemps?

That is why I don't want characters we have been exposed too, either doing game like Cullen and Tallis or outside games like Cassandra in the movie.

Completely minor character like Isabella from da:o to da2 I am fine with.

A good observation, perhaps Merrill and Isabela worked so well because we basically knew so little about them. Anders had a bigger outrage fo rbeing "whiny" compared to the guy in Awakening.

I'd love for Carver and Bethany to return, but that's probably mostly because it's one of the only actual story-changing choices in DA2, I have no idea how the writers should incorporate them. 

[esper]

Knight of Dane wrote...

esper wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

esper wrote...

I generally agree with this, I want new companions over all. No just for LI's.

Though if the LI's ends up being, Cullen, Cassandra, Tallis, Unknown man, then I really hope Unknown man is intersting because.... 

Yeah, I can't picture myself creating a protagonist who will help Cassandra, Cullen, or Tallis in their endeavors, or who will fall for someone who is the embodiment of everything he despises. I hope those characters aren't forced on the protagonist as companions.

I think a non-human love interest who can provide a different cultural (and non-Andrastian) perspective on Thedas would be interesting.

The problem with reacurring characters is there will be a large gap between what our PC knows and we as an player knows.

Forexample, should Anders have told Hawke about his 7 esacpe attemps?

That is why I don't want characters we have been exposed too, either doing game like Cullen and Tallis or outside games like Cassandra in the movie.

Completely minor character like Isabella from da:o to da2 I am fine with.

A good observation, perhaps Merrill and Isabela worked so well because we basically knew so little about them. Anders had a bigger outrage fo rbeing "whiny" compared to the guy in Awakening.

I'd love for Carver and Bethany to return, but that's probably mostly because it's one of the only actual story-changing choices in DA2, I have no idea how the writers should incorporate them. 

I would love for them to cameo. A cameo is not nearly as a role as a companion and it could be relevant, due to them either being wardens (there is properly going to be some wardens thing) or circle (we are properly going to adress mage/templar)

They could have a meaning large role without being a companion.

[Sir George Parr]

The problem with Tallis is that i as the player know more about her than PC, so i have never wanted her back as a companion/LI for that very reason.By the end of MoTA i just wanted to stick a dagger in the back of her head, but as she was being protected from up on high i was powerless to stop her escape.
While with Cassandra i still haven't watched the movie despite downloading it last year and don't feel that she has being overly exposed to me,

[Potato Cat]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

BombThatDeadGuy wrote...

I would prefer if we didn't have previous romancable characters to be back as romance options. Some people want them back and that's okay I just don't like the idea of well, cheating on past me. I would prefer if the romancable characters were just all new since we are playing as a new character.

or could just be "blocked" from being a romance... tho in reality, your "past self" has disappred on your "love" and left them so why shouldn't they be allowed to move on?

If past characters as romances are incorporated, I think it should affect the romance, but not block it completely. Take for example Alistair, his romance could be completely different if you have previously romanced him as your Warden. And if you don't want to cheat on a past you, just don't do it, but the Inquisitor probably never met the Warden/Hawke so why should it matter to them?

[Iron Star]

I'm pretty sure Cassandra and Cullen are LI's, but all I want is a female kossith LI. (I'm still using the term since I don't want an actual qunari, sorry Gaider!)

[LobselVith8]

esper wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Yeah, I can't picture myself creating a protagonist who will help Cassandra, Cullen, or Tallis in their endeavors, or who will fall for someone who is the embodiment of everything he despises. I hope those characters aren't forced on the protagonist as companions.

I think a non-human love interest who can provide a different cultural (and non-Andrastian) perspective on Thedas would be interesting.

The problem with reacurring characters is there will be a large gap between what our PC knows and we as an player knows.

For example, should Anders have told Hawke about his 7 esacpe attemps?

That is why I don't want characters we have been exposed too, either doing game like Cullen and Tallis or outside games like Cassandra in the movie.

Completely minor character like Isabela from da:o to da2 I am fine with. 

I can see your point in the problems that can arise with players having knowledge about certain characters that the new protagonist wouldn't. However, I don't think that's going to happen. And I'm concerned about how much railroading might be involved in Inquisition, since Dragon Age II had so much because of the difficulty that the developers had in accomodating the different outcomes in Origins. I sincerely have no interest in working with people like Cassandra, Cullen, or Tallis with a new protagonist.

Hopefully, we will (at least) have the same option we had in Origins to refuse companions, or kick them out of the group. While I think the protagonist wouldn't have the same information as The Warden or the Champion, I doubt that Cullen, Cassandra, or Tallis are going to hide who they are to the protagonist.

Cassandra seems to be working for Divine Justina V, so I don't think she's going to aid the protagonist if his motives and goals oppose her own (or the Divine's goals, if Cassandra and her sect of Seekers are still working for the Divine). Cullen dismisses mages as though they shouldn't be treated as people, and seems to support the Tranquil Solution; even if Culen has changed since Kirkwall, I don't see him supporting the protagonist who is pro-mage or an open apostate (especially a blood mage). And Tallis refers to mages as animals in 'Redemption', and her Qunari views are simply sickening.

I think enough exposure to these three people would allow the protagonist to easily oppose having them as part of the protagonist's group.

[Chashan]

DaneWolf wrote...

 I would like romance options possibly with NPC's you've allerede met. Im not surgesting Morrigan of Leliana or one of the earlyer romance options... But What about Felicia Day's Elf... What was her name?? Anyways a deeper more involved romance with her would be awesome... Instead of that ONE kiss that still haunts mé from the DLC in DA2! 

She was the charakter my Hawke could Fall in love with. She's smart, witty and verry attraktive!!

Okay so is Isabella and Merril. However... I would realt like to se Felicia Day in this one to!!

Heh, it's funny: I found the way that was done to be...rewarding in its simplicity, and even favour that over bringing bed-play scenes to the screen. In JE, with Silk Fox, I find the way to that one kiss to be rewarding in and of itself, and the way it is wrapped up with stealing that one kiss, then fading to black...tasteful.

Of course, the time for approaching relationships between PC and companions that way in DA:I has all too likely come and gone.

I agree...unless Morrigan shows up and decides to give my Femquisitor a shot. That's a whooole different story.

While I already enjoy that type of triangle-relation on PC in DA:O - mods be thanked... - I cannot say I would mind that type of change in a character's preference in the matter. Especially regarding the way Morri' looks down on men in general...

Modifié par Chashan, 23 janvier 2013 - 08:05 .

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

In DA2, my LI of choice was Hawke's right hand. I hope it returns as an option again.

[The Spirit of Dance]

After finally seeing "Dawn of the Seeker" last night, I want Cassandra as a LI.

[Knight of Dane]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

In DA2, my LI of choice was Hawke's right hand. I hope it returns as an option again.

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Can't romance Varric..

[goose2989]

MisterJB wrote...

Cassandra. Give us Cassandra Pentaghast!

[Blackrising]

Chashan wrote...

DaneWolf wrote...

 I would like romance options possibly with NPC's you've allerede met. Im not surgesting Morrigan of Leliana or one of the earlyer romance options... But What about Felicia Day's Elf... What was her name?? Anyways a deeper more involved romance with her would be awesome... Instead of that ONE kiss that still haunts mé from the DLC in DA2! 

She was the charakter my Hawke could Fall in love with. She's smart, witty and verry attraktive!!

Okay so is Isabella and Merril. However... I would realt like to se Felicia Day in this one to!!

Heh, it's funny: I found the way that was done to be...rewarding in its simplicity, and even favour that over bringing bed-play scenes to the screen. In JE, with Silk Fox, I find the way to that one kiss to be rewarding in and of itself, and the way it is wrapped up with stealing that one kiss, then fading to black...tasteful.

Of course, the time for approaching relationships between PC and companions that way in DA:I has all too likely come and gone.

I agree...unless Morrigan shows up and decides to give my Femquisitor a shot. That's a whooole different story.

While I already enjoy that type of triangle-relation on PC in DA:O - mods be thanked... - I cannot say I would mind that type of change in a character's preference in the matter. Especially regarding the way Morri' looks down on men in general...

I agree with you on this.
I found that one half-kiss (I'm not even sure their lips touched for more than a second) very rewarding and, for some reason, a lot more pleasant than any of the fade-to-black bed scenes the regular LIs got. Maybe because I prefer to head-canon that kind of intimacy. I also thought Felicia Day acted that out very well. The way she cleared her throat after that peck was somehow hilarious yet cute at the same time.
I found the small romance between Hawke and Tallis to be very well done in general. It was fun and light and left me wanting more.

Maybe she was just a welcome change from the drama and brooding and blood-magic and whathaveyou of our regular LIs.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Knight of Dane wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

In DA2, my LI of choice was Hawke's right hand. I hope it returns as an option again.

'
Can't romance Varric..

...if only. 

[BombThatDeadGuy]

Elfman wrote...

Nightdragon8 wrote...

BombThatDeadGuy wrote...

I would prefer if we didn't have previous romancable characters to be back as romance options. Some people want them back and that's okay I just don't like the idea of well, cheating on past me. I would prefer if the romancable characters were just all new since we are playing as a new character.

or could just be "blocked" from being a romance... tho in reality, your "past self" has disappred on your "love" and left them so why shouldn't they be allowed to move on?

If past characters as romances are incorporated, I think it should affect the romance, but not block it completely. Take for example Alistair, his romance could be completely different if you have previously romanced him as your Warden. And if you don't want to cheat on a past you, just don't do it, but the Inquisitor probably never met the Warden/Hawke so why should it matter to them?

To be fair to you both i actually don't have a problem with romances being blocked it's just that I would rather have new characters to be the romance options.

I'll put it this way

Merril and Isabela were characters that my Hawke fell in love with (No offense to those who like the other characters)
Morrigan and Leliana were characters that Jesus Punch Aeducan fell in love with (My Grey Warden if you couldn't tell)

And for me, it should stay that way though should they come back this won't be that big of a problem since like you said just don't do it, though can you at least see why I don't want this to happen?

[Thetford]

Reikilea wrote...

Oh great another I want Cullen and Cassandra thread.  

Then I shall be different and request Jowan instead. There was something fairly appealing about his constant whining. 

[esper]

LobselVith8 wrote...

esper wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Yeah, I can't picture myself creating a protagonist who will help Cassandra, Cullen, or Tallis in their endeavors, or who will fall for someone who is the embodiment of everything he despises. I hope those characters aren't forced on the protagonist as companions.

I think a non-human love interest who can provide a different cultural (and non-Andrastian) perspective on Thedas would be interesting.

The problem with reacurring characters is there will be a large gap between what our PC knows and we as an player knows.

For example, should Anders have told Hawke about his 7 esacpe attemps?

That is why I don't want characters we have been exposed too, either doing game like Cullen and Tallis or outside games like Cassandra in the movie.

Completely minor character like Isabela from da:o to da2 I am fine with. 

I can see your point in the problems that can arise with players having knowledge about certain characters that the new protagonist wouldn't. However, I don't think that's going to happen. And I'm concerned about how much railroading might be involved in Inquisition, since Dragon Age II had so much because of the difficulty that the developers had in accomodating the different outcomes in Origins. I sincerely have no interest in working with people like Cassandra, Cullen, or Tallis with a new protagonist.

Hopefully, we will (at least) have the same option we had in Origins to refuse companions, or kick them out of the group. While I think the protagonist wouldn't have the same information as The Warden or the Champion, I doubt that Cullen, Cassandra, or Tallis are going to hide who they are to the protagonist.

Cassandra seems to be working for Divine Justina V, so I don't think she's going to aid the protagonist if his motives and goals oppose her own (or the Divine's goals, if Cassandra and her sect of Seekers are still working for the Divine). Cullen dismisses mages as though they shouldn't be treated as people, and seems to support the Tranquil Solution; even if Culen has changed since Kirkwall, I don't see him supporting the protagonist who is pro-mage or an open apostate (especially a blood mage). And Tallis refers to mages as animals in 'Redemption', and her Qunari views are simply sickening.

I think enough exposure to these three people would allow the protagonist to easily oppose having them as part of the protagonist's group.

I do think that we are stuck with Cullen and Cassandra too yeah. I think we might be able to avoid Tallis.

But that still doesn't mean I think it is a good idea.

I love Anders as a character, and my Hawkes certainly love him completely, but I can still acknowlegde the problem, that still doens't change the fact that the difference between Player Knowlegde vs. Character knowlegde is huge and there is no good way around it.

Either the character does nothing to fill in the gap, meaning that the player is essantially left wiht the feeling of 'the character are porpusely lying' or the character does fill in the gap leaving the player with a feeling, 'I know alreay'. With an companion or even worse an LI this is a serious problem.

[David Gaider]

Get fired up wrote...
but all I want is a female kossith LI. (I'm still using the term since I don't want an actual qunari, sorry Gaider!)

I don't know why people keep apologizing when they use the term incorrectly (especially in this case, since what you seem to mean by "an actual qunari" is one who doesn't believe in the Qun-- which is a tal'vashoth). The idea that people want to use lore terms but do so incorrectly is a little dumb, but that's their problem. It doesn't upset me.

As for in-game romance options, we're well past deciding which characters can be romanced in DA3. Speculate on who they might be, if you prefer, but there's really no point in anyone requesting them. Sorry.

Modifié par David Gaider, 24 janvier 2013 - 05:21 .

[esper]

David Gaider wrote...

Get fired up wrote...
but all I want is a female kossith LI. (I'm still using the term since I don't want an actual qunari, sorry Gaider!)

I don't know why people keep apologizing when they use the term incorrectly (especially in this case, since what you seem to mean by "an actual qunari" is one who doesn't believe in the Qun-- which is a tal'vashoth). The idea that people want to use lore terms but do so incorrectly is a little dumb, but that's their problem. It doesn't upset me.

As for in-game romance options, we're well past deciding which characters can be romanced in DA3. Speculate on who they might be, if you prefer, but there's really no point in anyone requesting them. Sorry.

Because people needs a label for big horned Giant that is non-religious and doesn't involve converted elves and humans too. What about Meeras, sure his former Qunari 'friends' would properly still label him Tal-Vashot, but Meeras rejected that role specifically.

Untill you come up with an acutal race name Kossith is the best we have so we use that to distinquish.

Modifié par esper, 24 janvier 2013 - 05:27 .

[DragonMage95]

I hope they have some minor fling type thing like they did in Dragon Age Origins with Isabela or Gheyna. In DA:O I was kind of sad that I couldn't have a minor romance with Anora. In DA3 i'd want to be able to romance Empress Celene or some other minor NPC, not just companions.Oh and I think romance wise i'd like someone like Cassandra,or a completely new character that we haven't seen before rather than old NPC's.