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[Uccio]

Love and romance are as much big part of fantasy as fighting. Most fantasy books I´ve read include some kind of romance in them.

[mickey111]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Heh, my Warden was pretty modern in those topics. She even shared Alistair with Isabela! And he was very excited about it BTW so don't pity him for bedding Morrigan. I'm sure she found a way to make it bearable for him

Reported.

[n2nw]

Blackrising wrote...
Pretty skewered priorities, yeah, but there you have it.

I hear ya.

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...
In Alistar's case, you were given plenty of warning. Not only from Wynne, but from Eoman's wish for him to assume the throne.

The same is true of Morrigan and Anders. Those three characters have "THIS COULD END VERY BADLY" written all over them in neon lights. Of course, I still romanced them {smilie}

Being able to call out the LI on his/her bull should also go both ways. If the PC is being unreasonable or crappy, the LI should be able to respond to it. Of course, people get touchy on this front, but it'd be realistic and interesting. I know I've had PCs who could really use a good smack upside the head every now and then.

As I pointed out in another thread, some of us are hopelessly naive and always believe there can be sunshine and rainbows. I had hoped there'd be a way out. And if they decide to go this route again, I hope they leave us one. I want a happy romance, not a "Ha! Sucker!!" romance. And Alistair was the only male LI that could have the kind of relationship that I liked (monogamous and sickeningly sweet). So his endings (except the noble) double sucked for me.

And the PC does get called out for their actions (no cheating, even with Zevran). Fair is fair, now let me give them some crap back without losing them.

esper wrote...
You basically have to force Alistairs hand even if you are female, how is that cheating?

Um, because he sleeps with someone else? You have to ask him to do it so you could both live, not because it was some secret, sexual fantasy you'd been hiding the whole game. Being left no other choice than "have sex with someone else or die" kind of makes the decision for you. I want my partner to be just that....mine. Now, if they'd given me the option to kill Morrigan afterwards and/or sleep with Riordan or Zevran while Alistair slept with her...hm. Fair is fair, after all.

If they want to go the whole sleeping with someone else route, let *me* be the one to sleep with the extra party next time. I won't like it much more, but I'd still prefer it.

And I bet the LI would get to protest and have a hissy-fit about it.

Blackrising wrote...
It's not a very logical view, to be fair, so I totally understand that a lot of people see it differently.
I guess it all boils down to how sensitive one is when it comes to that particular subject. {smilie}

Logical, schmogical. The writers need to keep their mitts off of my pixeled booty-mate.

[CuriousArtemis]

I think making Alistair do the Dark Ritual is pretty brutal. And it's good storytelling, but yeah, it's brutal. ESPECIALLY if you didn't romance Alistair and he's still a virgin. Geez. It's a horrible, nasty way to lose your virginity.

I didn't romance Alistair, so I think I was able to get the brutal effects of that choice in the game without feeling upset about it. If my LI Zevran had been forced to sleep with Morrigan (or anyone; I've nothing against Morrigan) I think I would have felt differently.

If my LI Fenris had been forced to sleep with someone, I would have been... pretty upset. Not because I'd be jealous (he's my canon LI but I'm not "into" him) but because of his past.

I think forcing anyone to sleep with someone is just nasty, nasty business. But... good storytelling. Aughgh I have no answer to this problem.

[n2nw]

motomotogirl wrote...

I think forcing anyone to sleep with someone is just nasty, nasty business. But... good storytelling.

That's a matter of opinion.  Does it force emotion?  Sure.  But at what cost of enjoyment?  There are other options for good storytelling that don't involve horrible decisions for your LI.

[Eyeshield21]

I honestly would rather not have say Leliana or Morrigan as an LI(however if they were not romanced in Origins, that would be alright). At the same time, I would want new characters and possibly NPC's from past games to be a potential LI's.

[Xilizhra]

motomotogirl wrote...

I think making Alistair do the Dark Ritual is pretty brutal. And it's good storytelling, but yeah, it's brutal. ESPECIALLY if you didn't romance Alistair and he's still a virgin. Geez. It's a horrible, nasty way to lose your virginity.

I didn't romance Alistair, so I think I was able to get the brutal effects of that choice in the game without feeling upset about it. If my LI Zevran had been forced to sleep with Morrigan (or anyone; I've nothing against Morrigan) I think I would have felt differently.

If my LI Fenris had been forced to sleep with someone, I would have been... pretty upset. Not because I'd be jealous (he's my canon LI but I'm not "into" him) but because of his past.

I think forcing anyone to sleep with someone is just nasty, nasty business. But... good storytelling. Aughgh I have no answer to this problem.

I spared Loghain and had him do the dark ritual, so Alistair was still a virgin at the end. Is that better, do you think?

[iOnlySignIn]

motomotogirl wrote...

I think making Alistair do the Dark Ritual is pretty brutal. And it's good storytelling, but yeah, it's brutal. ESPECIALLY if you didn't romance Alistair and he's still a virgin. Geez. It's a horrible, nasty way to lose your virginity.

Are you a man?

Do you know any man who cares about loosing his virginity (other than to do it asap)?

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 29 janvier 2013 - 05:14 .

[Xilizhra]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

I think making Alistair do the Dark Ritual is pretty brutal. And it's good storytelling, but yeah, it's brutal. ESPECIALLY if you didn't romance Alistair and he's still a virgin. Geez. It's a horrible, nasty way to lose your virginity.

Are you a man?

Do you know any man who cares about loosing his virginity (other than to do it asap)?

I do, though admittedly they tend to be of the highly religious variety.

[esper]

n2nw wrote...

esper wrote...
You basically have to force Alistairs hand even if you are female, how is that cheating?

Um, because he sleeps with someone else? You have to ask him to do it so you could both live, not because it was some secret, sexual fantasy you'd been hiding the whole game. Being left no other choice than "have sex with someone else or die" kind of makes the decision for you. I want my partner to be just that....mine. Now, if they'd given me the option to kill Morrigan afterwards and/or sleep with Riordan or Zevran while Alistair slept with her...hm. Fair is fair, after all.

If they want to go the whole sleeping with someone else route, let *me* be the one to sleep with the extra party next time. I won't like it much more, but I'd still prefer it.

And I bet the LI would get to protest and have a hissy-fit about it.


Logical, schmogical. The writers need to keep their mitts off of my pixeled booty-mate.

Cheat implies that Alistair went behind your back and did it without your consent. He does not. He only does it if you forces him to do it.
Alistair is not the one who invented the Archdemon soul jump thing, nor the dark ritual. He did not force your hand.
In fact it is the completely opposite. You are forcing his hand as he would be more than willing to take the sacrifice for you. Now you and I can both agree that dying is stupid when there is a perfectly safe way out.
But place the blame on Alistair for your action and demand that you have the oppertunity to make the situation worse is wrong on so many levels that I can't count it.

Alistair does NOT want to sleep with Morrigan. It is humiliating for him. He is not Zevran, he places a huge intimacy value in sex, think about how long it takes before your warden can get him into bed. And then you demand to get an equal opportunity to cheat (And this is cheat for you are going behind his back) on him.That's just... wrong.

[esper]

Xilizhra wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

I think making Alistair do the Dark Ritual is pretty brutal. And it's good storytelling, but yeah, it's brutal. ESPECIALLY if you didn't romance Alistair and he's still a virgin. Geez. It's a horrible, nasty way to lose your virginity.

I didn't romance Alistair, so I think I was able to get the brutal effects of that choice in the game without feeling upset about it. If my LI Zevran had been forced to sleep with Morrigan (or anyone; I've nothing against Morrigan) I think I would have felt differently.

If my LI Fenris had been forced to sleep with someone, I would have been... pretty upset. Not because I'd be jealous (he's my canon LI but I'm not "into" him) but because of his past.

I think forcing anyone to sleep with someone is just nasty, nasty business. But... good storytelling. Aughgh I have no answer to this problem.

I spared Loghain and had him do the dark ritual, so Alistair was still a virgin at the end. Is that better, do you think?

No that is just as wrong, but it doesn't have the double humiliation of Loghain have gained time to learn to loathe Morrigan as Alistair does.

But it is still pressuring a person to have sex.

[esper]

motomotogirl wrote...

I think making Alistair do the Dark Ritual is pretty brutal. And it's good storytelling, but yeah, it's brutal. ESPECIALLY if you didn't romance Alistair and he's still a virgin. Geez. It's a horrible, nasty way to lose your virginity.

I didn't romance Alistair, so I think I was able to get the brutal effects of that choice in the game without feeling upset about it. If my LI Zevran had been forced to sleep with Morrigan (or anyone; I've nothing against Morrigan) I think I would have felt differently.

If my LI Fenris had been forced to sleep with someone, I would have been... pretty upset. Not because I'd be jealous (he's my canon LI but I'm not "into" him) but because of his past.

I think forcing anyone to sleep with someone is just nasty, nasty business. But... good storytelling. Aughgh I have no answer to this problem.

It was brutal and had my warden not spend so much time to get both Alistair and Anora to rule Fereldan together then I might have let him to the sacrifce.

But my warden was best friends with Morrigan and was sure that a common ruled Fereldan between Alistair and Anora was for the best, so she couldn't let Alistair die and she was not willing to do the sacrife herself, so yes, sorry Alistair.

[esper]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

I think making Alistair do the Dark Ritual is pretty brutal. And it's good storytelling, but yeah, it's brutal. ESPECIALLY if you didn't romance Alistair and he's still a virgin. Geez. It's a horrible, nasty way to lose your virginity.

Are you a man?

Do you know any man who cares about loosing his virginity (other than to do it asap)?

Consider that Alistair is not that eager to jump into the sack with the Femwarden and in fact can break up with her if the wrong kind off pressure is applied to the situation during the courtship, I would say: Yes, Alistair is concerned with losing his virginity.

[Plaintiff]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

I think making Alistair do the Dark Ritual is pretty brutal. And it's good storytelling, but yeah, it's brutal. ESPECIALLY if you didn't romance Alistair and he's still a virgin. Geez. It's a horrible, nasty way to lose your virginity.

Are you a man?

Do you know any man who cares about loosing his virginity (other than to do it asap)?

Um, me?

[Yumichika]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

I think making Alistair do the Dark Ritual is pretty brutal. And it's good storytelling, but yeah, it's brutal. ESPECIALLY if you didn't romance Alistair and he's still a virgin. Geez. It's a horrible, nasty way to lose your virginity.

Are you a man?

Do you know any man who cares about loosing his virginity (other than to do it asap)?

I'm a man and far from what u think of us 

Well that part was different cause i was romancing Morrigan, i manage to make her a little bit sweet.
So when she annouced the thing.. OMG!

I think the whole story depends on our relationship with each companion. Morrigan can be a big b...ch, as she always claims or transformed into a sweet girl till that terrific night.

But in troughout the rings they said u felt once that she was not happy. (In the case u were romancing her)

For the rest i'm glad i did not push Alistair to marry that suspicious Queen quick for trahison and pretending to be kidnapped by her father. She is the kind of Queen greedy of power.

[Reikilea]

Is it that bad to loose your virginity to Morrigan? She seemed capable... Alistair could have worse. It could be Anora or something. (I supposed that doesn´t have to be bad).

However, knowing Alistair personality yes, he would complain to have a hot witch in his bed, and he would rather prefer Leliana.

[Blackrising]

Yumichika wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

I think making Alistair do the Dark Ritual is pretty brutal. And it's good storytelling, but yeah, it's brutal. ESPECIALLY if you didn't romance Alistair and he's still a virgin. Geez. It's a horrible, nasty way to lose your virginity.

Are you a man?

Do you know any man who cares about loosing his virginity (other than to do it asap)?

I'm a man and far from what u think of us 

Well that part was different cause i was romancing Morrigan, i manage to make her a little bit sweet.
So when she annouced the thing.. OMG!

I think the whole story depends on our relationship with each companion. Morrigan can be a big b...ch, as she always claims or transformed into a sweet girl till that terrific night.

But in troughout the rings they said u felt once that she was not happy. (In the case u were romancing her)

For the rest i'm glad i did not push Alistair to marry that suspicious Queen quick for trahison and pretending to be kidnapped by her father. She is the kind of Queen greedy of power.

I wouldn't call her power hungry exactly.
She's been ruling Ferelden ever since marrying Cailan (who was, apparently, incapable of doing so and was better at posing than at actual ruling), so you can't blame her for wanting to make it official. Wanting to be recognized for your actions is just human, IMO.
Also, pretending to be kidnapped, joining the Warden and double-crossing him/her under certain conditions? It may be underhanded, but damn, it is also brilliant. She's not of royal blood, so she knows that she has no chance of staying on the throne if a more suitable candidate comes along. The only thing that would keep her in her position is the support of someone powerful.
It was a cunning tactic.
And I'd rather have a cunning Queen than a good-natured yet naive King. (Sorry, Alistair. I like you, but you're better off not responsible for a whole country.)


To get back on the topic of romances: We can have an affair with Empress Celence, right? My FemPC would like to finally get a...taste of royalty.

[Yumichika]

Reikilea wrote...

Is it that bad to loose your virginity to Morrigan? She seemed capable... Alistair could have worse. It could be Anora or something. (I supposed that doesn´t have to be bad).

However, knowing Alistair personality yes, he would complain to have a hot witch in his bed, and he would rather prefer Leliana.

The problem with Morrigan is that she left with a baby growing somewhere inside.
To me that part was excellent i was not expecting it. Such a romancable companion is more than interesting and useful. Cause at that time u are confronted to a big deal. 

Leliana did not interfer with the game ending or nothing that could change the history of the kingdom. To me a useless nice friendly great singer companion.

The option would be : Having a romance that is capabe of influencing the game. Or to get new hability or an amulet with power such as a wedding ring or a necklace.

[AstraDrakkar]

Romance is in every fantasy story i have ever expeienced. More is always better in my opinion.

[LobselVith8]

motomotogirl wrote...

I think making Alistair do the Dark Ritual is pretty brutal. And it's good storytelling, but yeah, it's brutal. ESPECIALLY if you didn't romance Alistair and he's still a virgin. Geez. It's a horrible, nasty way to lose your virginity.

I didn't romance Alistair, so I think I was able to get the brutal effects of that choice in the game without feeling upset about it. If my LI Zevran had been forced to sleep with Morrigan (or anyone; I've nothing against Morrigan) I think I would have felt differently.

If my LI Fenris had been forced to sleep with someone, I would have been... pretty upset. Not because I'd be jealous (he's my canon LI but I'm not "into" him) but because of his past.

I think forcing anyone to sleep with someone is just nasty, nasty business. But... good storytelling. Aughgh I have no answer to this problem.

I find it interesting how differently the Dark Ritual can come across to some players, especially for players who had female Wardens and needed to have one of their male Wardens fulfill the Dark Ritual; my Surana Warden romanced Morrigan and trusted her, so it was a different matter entirely.

[Renmiri1]

esper wrote...

**snip**
Alistair does NOT want to sleep with Morrigan. It is humiliating for him. He is not Zevran, he places a huge intimacy value in sex, think about how long it takes before your warden can get him into bed. And then you demand to get an equal opportunity to cheat (And this is cheat for you are going behind his back) on him.That's just... wrong.

Do the 3some with Isabella on the Pearl and you will see Alisatair quite likes the idea of beding another female. He got pretty disappointed when my Warden said it was a one time only thing. 

PS: And makes for a very funny "reunion" on DA2 if you take Isabela to meet him 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 29 janvier 2013 - 06:04 .

[mopotter]

esper wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

I think making Alistair do the Dark Ritual is pretty brutal. And it's good storytelling, but yeah, it's brutal. ESPECIALLY if you didn't romance Alistair and he's still a virgin. Geez. It's a horrible, nasty way to lose your virginity.

I didn't romance Alistair, so I think I was able to get the brutal effects of that choice in the game without feeling upset about it. If my LI Zevran had been forced to sleep with Morrigan (or anyone; I've nothing against Morrigan) I think I would have felt differently.

If my LI Fenris had been forced to sleep with someone, I would have been... pretty upset. Not because I'd be jealous (he's my canon LI but I'm not "into" him) but because of his past.

I think forcing anyone to sleep with someone is just nasty, nasty business. But... good storytelling. Aughgh I have no answer to this problem.

It was brutal and had my warden not spend so much time to get both Alistair and Anora to rule Fereldan together then I might have let him to the sacrifce.

But my warden was best friends with Morrigan and was sure that a common ruled Fereldan between Alistair and Anora was for the best, so she couldn't let Alistair die and she was not willing to do the sacrife herself, so yes, sorry Alistair.

My female Warden was best friends with Alistair but loved Zev.  She also worked very hard to get Alistair and Anora together and had Loghain join the Wardens and I didn't make him do the ritual.  Alistair was upset but after Loghain died Alistair agreed that having him become a Warden had been the best option.   I think he does this if Loghain lives by doing the ritual also.  

It really irritated me that if Alistair "loved" my Warden he wouldn't come back after going on his drunken hissy fit and apologize, or just go off and fight on his own, then come back and apologize.  I really dislike the idea that his friendship was worth more than his love which is the way BW wrote it.  

I can play it now, after my ME3 endings, but I still hate the dark ritual with a passion for my female characters that romances Alistair.  And to add insult to injury, I had to watch Alistair crawling up to Morrigan while my warden spent the night before battle alone.    

 My male character romanced Morrigan so it was no problem.  He's out there looking for her. 

[upsettingshorts]

I for one hope the writers continue to not worry much about possessive feelings players may develop towards fictional romance interests, and certainly not worry about it at the expense of drama.

Wish Fulfillment:  The Game already exists.  We don't need BioWare games to be that too.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 29 janvier 2013 - 06:38 .

[mopotter]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I for one hope the writers continue to not worry much about possessive feelings players may develop towards fictional romance interests, and certainly not worry about it at the expense of drama.

Ahhh, but if we care about the characters, it shows how well written they are.  If I didn't care about the characters they gave us,  I for one, probably wouldn't care that much how the story went.

Well written fictional characters have always brought out emotions,  I love Edmond Dantes.  I love the story and the characters and the ending.   Edward Rochester,  Simon Tregarth and Per Hiero Desteen.  Some of the BioWare characters are included in that list of written male characters I care about.