NuclearTech76 wrote...
Oh come on the Krysae as an example is kind of crazy. That thing was an abomination from day one. I'd hardly classify it as legit.Feneckus wrote...
Also, too many people playing crutch characters leads to legit things being nerfed.
TGI --> Havoc
GI --> Geth Engineer
Tactical Cloak --> Krysae
Tactical Cloak/Devastator Mode --> Piranha
Farming --> Smash, Sabotage
GI is not easy to use. Think of him as a SI without ED but has higher damage output and wallhax + speed. But mastering wallhax to your advantage is harder than ED that stupid Atlas to refill your shield. Healing is yourself is easier than avoid getting shot. Just because he has the highest damage output doesn't mean hes one easy character to play.rusty221 wrote...
Dunvi wrote...
You guys are all wrong.
Why do I dislike seeing Kroguard Reegar and TGI Harrier? Because they give people a false sense of competence. The vast majority of TGI Harriers (especially Harrier I) in gold (and platinum) massively suck. They manage to score the absolute lowest (regardless of their massive damage potential)* and go down constantly (despite their lolstim packs). Similarly, Kroguard Reegar, almost every single time, gets synced each wave starting wave 4.
This man speaks the truth. I actually think the Kroguard, TGI and especially the GI are a bit of a trap for new players. I think many hear how good they are, take them into Gold and get promptly squished. If someone isn't ready for Gold, using one of these characters isn't going to help them at all.
Until I read this thread I always thought crutch characters were an individual thing, as in your personal best characters. Ones that you could take into a game knowing that, however bad your team were, you could drag their sorry carcasses to at least wave 7 and get a JEP at the end for your troubles. Just me?
GI is not easy to use. Think of him as a SI without ED but has higher damage output and wallhax + speed. But mastering wallhax to your advantage is harder than ED that stupid Atlas to refill your shield. Healing is yourself is easier than avoid getting shot. Just because he has the highest damage output doesn't mean hes one easy character to play.
Derp88 wrote...
Lets be honest here. Mass Effect is not really a very challenging game to begin with anyway. I play Multiplayer to just have fun, whether with friends or just random people. A "crutch" class may be a bit easier to use, but c'mon....
People don't say the Drell Adept is a crutch class, when essentially he is. To be honest if you know how to use the class you're playing, the game's difficulty becomes pretty trivial.
Modifié par Original Stikman, 18 janvier 2013 - 12:30 .
Cyonan wrote...
Dorick wrote...
I feel the same way about the kroguard, TGI, and GI as I do about missile glitchers.
and that is why we call you elitist.
Not because you think the Kroguard, TGi, or GI are overpowered, but because you look down on people who are using it.
Modifié par Feneckus, 18 janvier 2013 - 12:32 .
Blame it on BIOWERFeneckus wrote...
Cyonan wrote...
Dorick wrote...
I feel the same way about the kroguard, TGI, and GI as I do about missile glitchers.
and that is why we call you elitist.
Not because you think the Kroguard, TGi, or GI are overpowered, but because you look down on people who are using it.
I look down on those people because they ruin the game. I couldn't get care less about them as individuals. I do care, however, that the Krogan Sentinel will never be buffed because of the Kroguard. I do care that infiltrators have caused several nerfs, none of which actually did anything to fix their overpoweredness while penalizing legit kits.
All this wouldn't have happened if such a large portion of the community didn't exclusively play OP kits.
Original Stikman wrote...
Derp88 wrote...
Lets be honest here. Mass Effect is not really a very challenging game to begin with anyway. I play Multiplayer to just have fun, whether with friends or just random people. A "crutch" class may be a bit easier to use, but c'mon....
People don't say the Drell Adept is a crutch class, when essentially he is. To be honest if you know how to use the class you're playing, the game's difficulty becomes pretty trivial.
Are you on xbox? Would be interesting to see someone make certain enemy combos trivial.
I find geth on condor to be pretty tough.
Collectors on Condor is tought too...
especially on platinum
Feneckus wrote...
Cyonan wrote...
Dorick wrote...
I feel the same way about the kroguard, TGI, and GI as I do about missile glitchers.
and that is why we call you elitist.
Not because you think the Kroguard, TGi, or GI are overpowered, but because you look down on people who are using it.
I look down on those people because they ruin the game. I couldn't get care less about them as individuals. I do care, however, that the Krogan Sentinel will never be buffed because of the Kroguard. I do care that infiltrators have caused several nerfs, none of which actually did anything to fix their overpoweredness while penalizing legit kits.
All this wouldn't have happened if such a large portion of the community didn't exclusively play OP kits.
Lucifuture wrote...
I could care less what classes people play as long as they contribute to the group objectives.
Personally I like to play as each class and change things up for variety and to learn new fun builds. If people don't want to have as much fun as I have when I do this that is their loss.
Feneckus wrote...
I look down on those people because they ruin the game. I couldn't get care less about them as individuals. I do care, however, that the Krogan Sentinel will never be buffed because of the Kroguard. I do care that infiltrators have caused several nerfs, none of which actually did anything to fix their overpoweredness while penalizing legit kits.
All this wouldn't have happened if such a large portion of the community didn't exclusively play OP kits.
Crimson Vanguard wrote...
Blame it on BIOWERFeneckus wrote...
I look down on those people because they ruin the game. I couldn't get care less about them as individuals. I do care, however, that the Krogan Sentinel will never be buffed because of the Kroguard. I do care that infiltrators have caused several nerfs, none of which actually did anything to fix their overpoweredness while penalizing legit kits.
All this wouldn't have happened if such a large portion of the community didn't exclusively play OP kits.
Modifié par Muhkida, 18 janvier 2013 - 12:46 .
Modifié par FlowCytometry, 18 janvier 2013 - 12:45 .
Derp88 wrote...
Original Stikman wrote...
Derp88 wrote...
Lets be honest here. Mass Effect is not really a very challenging game to begin with anyway. I play Multiplayer to just have fun, whether with friends or just random people. A "crutch" class may be a bit easier to use, but c'mon....
People don't say the Drell Adept is a crutch class, when essentially he is. To be honest if you know how to use the class you're playing, the game's difficulty becomes pretty trivial.
Are you on xbox? Would be interesting to see someone make certain enemy combos trivial.
I find geth on condor to be pretty tough.
Collectors on Condor is tought too...
especially on platinum
Okay, I may have exaggerated slightly, but in terms of pure gaming skill, Mass Effect is not one of those titles where it takes elite skills to be a very good player at the game. Talk of "crutch" characters is quite funny, because of this.
Original Stikman wrote...
Derp88 wrote...
Original Stikman wrote...
Derp88 wrote...
Lets be honest here. Mass Effect is not really a very challenging game to begin with anyway. I play Multiplayer to just have fun, whether with friends or just random people. A "crutch" class may be a bit easier to use, but c'mon....
People don't say the Drell Adept is a crutch class, when essentially he is. To be honest if you know how to use the class you're playing, the game's difficulty becomes pretty trivial.
Are you on xbox? Would be interesting to see someone make certain enemy combos trivial.
I find geth on condor to be pretty tough.
Collectors on Condor is tought too...
especially on platinum
Okay, I may have exaggerated slightly, but in terms of pure gaming skill, Mass Effect is not one of those titles where it takes elite skills to be a very good player at the game. Talk of "crutch" characters is quite funny, because of this.
Hmm, could you define "very good player," im quite curious.
I'll be honest; I can probably count on my hands the amount of people that I would consider exceptionally good players for Xbox
Crimson Vanguard wrote...
Blame it on BIOWER
Cyonan wrote...
I don't actually care what your reasoning for it
Dorick wrote...
I feel the same way about the kroguard, TGI, and GI as I do about missile glitchers.
tyhw wrote...
Dorick wrote...
I feel the same way about the kroguard, TGI, and GI as I do about missile glitchers.
Kroguard isn't really the problem, the LOLReegar is. Without it, the kroguard is simply super tanky without very good damage output.
tyhw wrote...
Kroguard isn't really the problem, the LOLReegar is. Without it, the kroguard is simply super tanky without very good damage output.
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