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[Distilled Poison]

It's only a matter of time before a thread with Sirian and/or Anno turns into a platform elitism d**k measuring contest. Reports filed, hopefully bans will be longer this time.

[HolyAvenger]

No one commented on my TC redesign

[Tankcommander]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

I'd be happy with a TC nerf in the form of making it like Volus TC (no damage boost, not part of the global cooldown) as long as it got fixed so that it actually CLOAKED you properly. Like in ME2.

They could then replace TC in the power tree with something that just gave a % boost to weapon damage, like AR. 

That actually wouldn't be a nerf at all, but my points stands.

I've been saying this, but nobody listens and just assumes I'm a TC fanboy. I wouldn't be so reluctant to give away my damage bonuses if I actually had a cloak that worked, but since I don't, I want some good damage to compensate.

[HolyAvenger]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

No one commented on my TC redesign

 

It made me vomit, so I thought it best not to comment.

Why? 

[Bechter]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Yeah, Tatty has told me many times of Heroic's headshot prowess.

He'll be announcing their engagement any day.

I am of course, joking about the auto-aim. But the vast majority of console players would struggle more without it. Especially with the low max sensitivity on consoles.

If you watch gameplays on xbox (not just ME3) you can see how useful autoaim is when your precision is controller-level instead of mouse level. For example, in the CoD games, a lot of the better players quickly notice when the auto-aim "tugs" on their crosshair, so they know there's an enemy at long range even if they can't see it.

etc. etc.

And seriously Bechter? A Mac, with no mouse? Before this, our interactions had given me quite a high opinion of you (as console scrubs go). No longer.

I was young and in college it was a time to make mistakes and experiment. We also had computer labs so no need for a mouse for me.

Modifié par Bechter, 18 janvier 2013 - 06:28 .

[Tankcommander]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

No one commented on my TC redesign

 

It made me vomit, so I thought it best not to comment.

Why? 

 

Would make infiltrators UP. Unless cloak actually cloaked you.

Funny you say that, it seemed a little too powerful for me, but I liked the idea. This was assuming cloak actually cloaked you tho, so that's mute I suppose

[BridgeBurner]

Distilled Poison wrote...

It's only a matter of time before a thread with Sirian and/or Anno turns into a platform elitism d**k measuring contest. Reports filed, hopefully bans will be longer this time.

Haha, people like you are so pathetic.

We said auto-aim helps consolers.

And that we never see them getting 20 headshots.

What about that is banworthy? There's no platform war here unless you're planning on starting one? We were just discussing some aspects.

Just relax dude, you get so mad at any little observation. Oh no, Sirian and Anno in the same thread? Must be an attempt to start a platform war.

Plus, reporting people is just childish. Can't take the heat? Stay out the kitchen.

Modifié par Annomander, 18 janvier 2013 - 05:55 .

[HolyAvenger]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

No one commented on my TC redesign

 

It made me vomit, so I thought it best not to comment.

Why? 

 

Would make infiltrators UP. Unless cloak actually cloaked you.

Well, I'm open to monkeying around with the numbers.

I am also open to cloak actually cloaking as well.

[Feneckus]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

No one commented on my TC redesign

 

It made me vomit, so I thought it best not to comment.

Why? 

 

Would make infiltrators UP. Unless cloak actually cloaked you.

I don't know if the Volus cloak is any different from the infiltrators', but I have no problem moving around the map undetected. It's a huge asset. Even without damage bonuses coming out of my ass.

[unclemonster]

Feneckus wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

They aren't the best engineers, IMO.

QMI's Tac Scan > QME's Tac Scan

Is there an added damage bonus when tac scan is cast while cloaked?
I always thought tac scan was the same regardless.
Please inform...

[BridgeBurner]

Feneckus wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

No one commented on my TC redesign

 

It made me vomit, so I thought it best not to comment.

Why? 

 

Would make infiltrators UP. Unless cloak actually cloaked you.

I don't know if the Volus cloak is any different from the infiltrators', but I have no problem moving around the map undetected. It's a huge asset. Even without damage bonuses coming out of my ass.

It's pretty much identical except it grants no damage bonus.

Hence why I am deeply mystified when people say cloak doesn't cloak you, when you can ninja-volus your way round the map pretty easily by using cloak.

[Feneckus]

unclemonster wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

They aren't the best engineers, IMO.

QMI's Tac Scan > QME's Tac Scan

Is there an added damage bonus when tac scan is cast while cloaked?
I always thought tac scan was the same regardless.
Please inform...

I think Tac Scan's debuff is multiplicative so the QMI gets way more out of it than the QME.

[Bechter]

unclemonster wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

They aren't the best engineers, IMO.

QMI's Tac Scan > QME's Tac Scan

Is there an added damage bonus when tac scan is cast while cloaked?
I always thought tac scan was the same regardless.
Please inform...

Feneckus doesn't let little things like facts, logic, or fair comparisons get in the way of his arguements.

[HolyAvenger]

What I was trying to go for was actual evos that would make you choose at every rank and give viable builds while allowing for unique playstyles like with the Huntress or Shadow.

[Tankcommander]

Feneckus wrote...

I don't know if the Volus cloak is any different from the infiltrators', but I have no problem moving around the map undetected. It's a huge asset. Even without damage bonuses coming out of my ass.

I think it is. Cloaking as Infil rarely works for me, no matter what I do. Volus cloak, however, seems to work better, but still not as good as it used to be or ought to be. Banshees and other bosses outright ignore it sometimes.

People freak out about the damage bonus, but neglect the fact that those of us who use it as a cloak are screwed because a lot of times the enemies ignore it anyway and it gets us into trouble. Hence why the nerf to TC was completely stupid - it failed to address any problems with the cloak, and didn't make duration any more enticing.

[Shinnyshin]

unclemonster wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

They aren't the best engineers, IMO.

QMI's Tac Scan > QME's Tac Scan

Is there an added damage bonus when tac scan is cast while cloaked?
I always thought tac scan was the same regardless.
Please inform...

The QMI's Tac Scan doesn't actually use any of his cooldowns, while the QME's does.  The QMI can use all of his powers as fast as the animations allow, while every time the QME uses Tac Scan it means he didn't incinerate.  You can get around it with 'nading during the cooldown, but still.

Modifié par Shinnyshin, 18 janvier 2013 - 06:00 .

[BridgeBurner]

Bechter wrote...

Feneckus doesn't let little things like facts, logic, or fair comparisons get in the way of his arguements.

No, he was referring to the fact that tactical scan like most debuffs is most likely multiplicative.

Therefore a QME using tac scan gains X% of his damage, and a QMI gains X% which is modifies his already cloak-modified damage.

For argument's sake and ease of maths, let's say tac scam imposes a +20% damage taken debuff.

If your arc grenade hits for 1000 as a QME, tac scan gives you 200 extra damage. 1200 damage total per grenade.

If your tc buffed arc grenade hits for 1800 as a QMI, tac scan gives you 360 extra damage. Equalling 2160 damage per grenade.

Ergo; tac scan does not use a cooldown for the infiltrator and provides a higher damage boost than it does for the engineer.



*** But don't let your own lack of knowledge about game mechanics get in the way of Feneckus' logic ***

Modifié par Annomander, 18 janvier 2013 - 06:05 .

[RaenImrahl]

PC/Mac/Console bickering will get this thread shut down and accounts banned in very short order.

[megabeast37215]

Feneckus wrote...I don't know if the Volus cloak is any different from the infiltrators', but I have no problem moving around the map undetected. It's a huge asset. Even without damage bonuses coming out of my ass.

Volus cloak is amazing... it actually works! Casting powers without breaking cloak

[Feneckus]

Bechter wrote...

Feneckus doesn't let little things like facts, logic, or fair comparisons get in the way of his arguements.

Oh, the irony 

Tankcommander wrote...

Cloaking as Infil rarely works for me

I play the Shadow when I've got a bad hangover (only two buttons to press, no aiming required, free shield recharge, perfect) and I have no problem staying undetected as well. I do get some BS like twice a game but no more than that.