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[BridgeBurner]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

RaenImrahl wrote...

PC/Mac/Console bickering will get this thread shut down and accounts banned in very short order.

 

Nothing to worry about here boss.

Just some casual jokes thrown about by people who all know each other and all know that the other party is joking. 

No feelings hurt, no serious arguments or bickering at all. Just some too hasty reporting.

Off-hand remarks and someone runs off "filing reports".

There's no console war happening, we're currently bickering over tactical scan by the looks of it.

[Feneckus]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

But he also can't set off infinite tech explosions like the QME can. 

Arc grenade + Incinerate ~ Cloaked Arc grenade
Arc grenade + incinerate + arc grenade ~ 2 cloaked arc grenades, which don't even break cloak btw

Modifié par Feneckus, 18 janvier 2013 - 06:10 .

[Bechter]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Bechter wrote...

unclemonster wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

They aren't the best engineers, IMO.

QMI's Tac Scan > QME's Tac Scan

Is there an added damage bonus when tac scan is cast while cloaked?
I always thought tac scan was the same regardless.
Please inform...

Feneckus doesn't let little things like facts, logic, or fair comparisons get in the way of his arguements.

 

I think he means that a QMI gets more out of his TS than a QME because of TC's damage bonus. 

Which is true... A QMI w/ TS can drop bosses in very quick time. Much faster than the QME. But he also can't set off infinite tech explosions like the QME can. 

I know what he implied but his comparison did not demonstrate that. I'm ignorant at PC not ignorant at life.

[BridgeBurner]

Feneckus wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

But he also can't set off infinite tech explosions like the QME can. 

Arc grenade + Incinerate ~ Cloaked Arc grenade
Arc grenade + incinerate + arc grenade ~ 2 arc grenades, which don't even break cloak btw

QME might have the edge versus armour assuming both classes' grenades are identically specced, but I think the obscene weapon damage bonus would make up the difference of FE's and incinerates.

Partcicularly if one was to be using incendiary, or even warp / AP.

Modifié par Annomander, 18 janvier 2013 - 06:10 .

[Deerber]

Feneckus wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

No one commented on my TC redesign

 

It made me vomit, so I thought it best not to comment.

Why? 

 

Would make infiltrators UP. Unless cloak actually cloaked you.

I don't know if the Volus cloak is any different from the infiltrators', but I have no problem moving around the map undetected. It's a huge asset. Even without damage bonuses coming out of my ass.

Don't try it that way Fen, apparently cloak doesn't work on Sirian's pc! 

[Bechter]

Annomander wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

RaenImrahl wrote...

PC/Mac/Console bickering will get this thread shut down and accounts banned in very short order.

 

Nothing to worry about here boss.

Just some casual jokes thrown about by people who all know each other and all know that the other party is joking. 

No feelings hurt, no serious arguments or bickering at all. Just some too hasty reporting.

Off-hand remarks and someone runs off "filing reports".

There's no console war happening, we're currently bickering over tactical scan by the looks of it.

Where do I find these reports on my computer? Are these reports filed under TPC reports that my boss at work keeps asking about?

[whateverman7]

short and simple: there is no problem, people can use whatever they want in the game...people that say it is are just trying to make themselves look better/more skilled..

[Feneckus]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Incinerate DoT and FE bonus over arc grenade/tech burst is not negligible. Particularly against Reapers.

The QMI can set off FEs as well, weaker ones and with ammo powers but still.

And against Reapers, 80% weapon damage bonus >>>> Incinerate + FE. Especially when you consider Incinerate's travel time. A QMI can one shot ravagers with a Claymore for example.

[Deerber]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

No one commented on my TC redesign

 

It made me vomit, so I thought it best not to comment.

Why? 

 

Would make infiltrators UP. Unless cloak actually cloaked you.

I don't know if the Volus cloak is any different from the infiltrators', but I have no problem moving around the map undetected. It's a huge asset. Even without damage bonuses coming out of my ass.

Don't try it that way Fen, apparently cloak doesn't work on Sirian's pc! 

 

TC is garbage when it comes to cloaking. 

Cloak with nothing having LoS on you. --> wait a couple of seconds --> walk into the next room --> a Collector Captain sees you from across the map and goes TROLOLOLOLOLO and one bursts you with perfect accuracy.

Good job TC. 

Hehehe ok, I can't argue with the trololo face.

Besides, it was just hit and run. I'll be going now, have fun you guys, and don't get the devs too angry 

[BridgeBurner]

Bechter wrote...
Where do I find these reports on my computer? Are these reports filed under TPC reports that my boss at work keeps asking about?

Ummm, not sure if you're trying to be amusing or not.

I meant silly people reporting the most mundane of posts by users because they have... some sort of axe to grind against that particular user.

Also Sirian, can you record some of these "tactical cloak fails"?

Because I've never really experienced or seen anything like that occurring.

Modifié par Annomander, 18 janvier 2013 - 06:21 .

[unclemonster]

Feneckus wrote...

I guess one acceptable nerf would be :

Evos 4 become Evos 6
Evos 5 become Evos 4
Evos 6 become Evos 5

Then you have to invest 6 points to get the max out of Tactical Cloak, no matter your weapon. Just like ... well, every other power in the game. 

That is a very good idea
I can agree that is probably the single TC biggest advantage: the fact that you really only need take it to level 4 on most classes giving you a TON of flexibility on your build

[Bechter]

Annomander wrote...

Bechter wrote...
Where do I find these reports on my computer? Are these reports filed under TPC reports that my boss at work keeps asking about?

Ummm, not sure if you're trying to be amusing or not.

I meant silly people reporting the most mundane of posts by users because they have... some sort of axe to grind against them.

Sarcasm thought I layed it on thick enough.

Xbox 1

PC 0

Although I was I didn't know our PC/MAC/Console talk would be taken serious by a mod when its quite clear we were all joking.


Edit

Just realize i typed TPC when I met TPS of Office Space fame. Sorry

Xbox 0

PC 1

Modifié par Bechter, 18 janvier 2013 - 06:26 .

[BridgeBurner]

Bechter wrote...

Sarcasm that I layed it on thick enough.

Xbox 1

PC 0

Raen, look, someone's starting a platform war.

Quick, I'll report him because I'm a child.

Actually, no I won't. Your joke wasn't very funny....

[unclemonster]

Shinnyshin wrote...

unclemonster wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

They aren't the best engineers, IMO.

QMI's Tac Scan > QME's Tac Scan

Is there an added damage bonus when tac scan is cast while cloaked?
I always thought tac scan was the same regardless.
Please inform...

The QMI's Tac Scan doesn't actually use any of his cooldowns, while the QME's does.  The QMI can use all of his powers as fast as the animations allow, while every time the QME uses Tac Scan it means he didn't incinerate.  You can get around it with 'nading during the cooldown, but still.

I don't really understand what you are saying here. If I cloak and tac scan immediately I have a 3sec cooldown as opposed to (approx 1.5 sec when tac scan outside of cloak)
I always assumed casting tac scan from cloak was a waste as it made my cooldown longer than normal.

equal weapons build, QME has approx 1.5 sec tac scan cooldown
What is the difference?

[Bechter]

Annomander wrote...

Bechter wrote...

Feneckus doesn't let little things like facts, logic, or fair comparisons get in the way of his arguements.

No, he was referring to the fact that tactical scan like most debuffs is most likely multiplicative.

Therefore a QME using tac scan gains X% of his damage, and a QMI gains X% which is modifies his already cloak-modified damage.

For argument's sake and ease of maths, let's say tac scam imposes a +20% damage taken debuff.

If your arc grenade hits for 1000 as a QME, tac scan gives you 200 extra damage. 1200 damage total per grenade.

If your tc buffed arc grenade hits for 1800 as a QMI, tac scan gives you 360 extra damage. Equalling 2160 damage per grenade.

Ergo; tac scan does not use a cooldown for the infiltrator and provides a higher damage boost than it does for the engineer.



*** But don't let your own lack of knowledge about game mechanics get in the way of Feneckus' logic ***

That is comparing the entire kits powers if your numbers are all correct. His original comparison was that Tac Scan on the Infl is objectively better than the engineer which is not the case they share the same skill tree.

[BridgeBurner]

Bechter wrote...

That is comparing the entire kits powers if your numbers are all correct. His original comparison was that Tac Scan on the Infl is objectively better than the engineer which is not the case they share the same skill tree.

Hair splitting.

He did not mean objectively better in the sense one power is better.

He meant in application, the QMI's tac scan is objectively better in application than the QMEs.

[lightswitch]

Distilled Poison wrote...

It's only a matter of time before a thread with Sirian and/or Anno turns into a platform elitism d**k measuring contest. Reports filed, hopefully bans will be longer this time.

You little wretch. Grow a sense of humor and a thicker skin. And learn to handle your differences with people directly. No one likes the guy who is always running off to tell the principle.

Modifié par lightswitch, 18 janvier 2013 - 06:41 .

[Bechter]

Annomander wrote...

Bechter wrote...

That is comparing the entire kits powers if your numbers are all correct. His original comparison was that Tac Scan on the Infl is objectively better than the engineer which is not the case they share the same skill tree.

Hair splitting.

He did not mean objectively better in the sense one power is better.

He meant in application, the QMI's tac scan is objectively better in application than the QMEs.

I like how its hairsplitting when he leaves out the entire picture. You two compare apples to oranges when it suits your views. I wasn't tyring to debate the MQI vs MQE but a statement TAC Scan is better on Inf vs the engineer without any of the other supporting evidence is false. That was my only issue with that statement and I could go back and qoute several more thoughout this thread from both of you.

However neither you or him can quote some of the claims you have made about my post and when called on it just state that it was directed at me even though i was quoted in the post.

Modifié par Bechter, 18 janvier 2013 - 06:44 .

[unclemonster]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Bechter wrote...

unclemonster wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

They aren't the best engineers, IMO.

QMI's Tac Scan > QME's Tac Scan

Is there an added damage bonus when tac scan is cast while cloaked?
I always thought tac scan was the same regardless.
Please inform...

Feneckus doesn't let little things like facts, logic, or fair comparisons get in the way of his arguements.

 

I think he means that a QMI gets more out of his TS than a QME because of TC's damage bonus. 

Which is true... A QMI w/ TS can drop bosses in very quick time. Much faster than the QME. But he also can't set off infinite tech explosions like the QME can. 

Are you saying the actual buff # of tac scan is greater when cast from cloak (for teammates as well)
OR
The buffs are the same on both characters and QMI does more damage coming out of cloak?

Basically is Tac Scan better when cast from cloak, or the same when cast in or out of cloak?