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[lightswitch]

Annomander wrote...

unclemonster wrote...

1st of all: Your degrading comments are unnecessary
I did read...and it IS what you were saying

No it wasn't. Stop trying to invent stuff. YOU misunderstood what I typed.

unclemonster wrote...
bottom line: TAC SCAN IS THE EXACT SAME ON ALL CHARACTERS that have it PERIOD!!!!!!!

Well done, correct, would you like a gold star?

We were never arguing that the ability varies between kits (read out posts; never once do we implicitly or explicitly state this) yet you still read into the post wrong.

For the same number of points invested in tactical scan, an infiltrator gains much more damage as a result.

This was the argument all along. You were just incapable of seeing this.

Lies and BS. You implied it implicitly all over the place (edit: and Feneckus has stated it explicitly), as evidenced by all the people whom you confused and were therefore asking questions about it.

It's not our fault you're so pathetic at using the English language to effectively communicate what goes on in that garbled brain of yours.

Modifié par lightswitch, 18 janvier 2013 - 08:03 .

[RoundedPlanet88]

Feneckus wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

No, it isn't like that at all. That's a terrible analogy. Overload is actually stronger when cast from cloak. Tac Scan is not.

The point of a debuff is to do extra damage to a target.

Since an MQI does more extra damage when casting Tac Scan than an MQE, Tac Scan is actually a better power on the MQI. What's so hard to understand ?

What they are trying to say is that tac scan does not become a better debuffer on the infiltrator, its the same debuffer. They are ignoring the fact that the infil does more damage. I.e. a non-claok tac scan does a debuff of x percent, and a cloaked tac scan does the same debuff of x percent.

[unclemonster]

Annomander wrote...

unclemonster wrote...

1st of all: Your degrading comments are unnecessary
I did read...and it IS what you were saying

No it wasn't. Stop trying to invent stuff. YOU misunderstood what I typed.

unclemonster wrote...
bottom line: TAC SCAN IS THE EXACT SAME ON ALL CHARACTERS that have it PERIOD!!!!!!!

Well done, correct, would you like a gold star?

We were never arguing that the ability varies between kits (read out posts; never once do we implicitly or explicitly state this) yet you still read into the post wrong.

For the same number of points invested in tactical scan, an infiltrator gains much more damage as a result.

This was the argument all along. You were just incapable of seeing this.

Uhh..maybe you should read Feneckus latest post...he is CLEARLY stating that is DOES in fact increase the debuff

[unclemonster]

Feneckus wrote...

unclemonster wrote...

whether I cast tac scan as a QMI or a QME casts tac scan, the result is THE EXACT SAME!!

Not really.

Take a team of say, Asari Vanguard, Human Soldier, Batarian Sentinel and MQE.

Cast Tac Scan and see how much extra damage the entire team does because of it (ie, how effective Tac Scan was)

Now switch the MQE for an MQI. Tac Scan will cause the entire team to do more extra damage, ie Tac Scan was a better debuffer, ie MQI's Tac Scan > MQE's Tac Scan.

please read Annomander...

[RoundedPlanet88]

unclemonster wrote...

Annomander wrote...

unclemonster wrote...

1st of all: Your degrading comments are unnecessary
I did read...and it IS what you were saying

No it wasn't. Stop trying to invent stuff. YOU misunderstood what I typed.

unclemonster wrote...
bottom line: TAC SCAN IS THE EXACT SAME ON ALL CHARACTERS that have it PERIOD!!!!!!!

Well done, correct, would you like a gold star?

We were never arguing that the ability varies between kits (read out posts; never once do we implicitly or explicitly state this) yet you still read into the post wrong.

For the same number of points invested in tactical scan, an infiltrator gains much more damage as a result.

This was the argument all along. You were just incapable of seeing this.

Uhh..maybe you should read Feneckus latest post...he is CLEARLY stating that is DOES in fact increase the debuff

I think what Feneckus is saying is that you "get more bang for your buck" on tac scan with infiltrators. Not that cloak boosts tac scan itself, but that the damage bonuses make it more whorthwile to spec into

[Feneckus]

[unclemonster]

Annomander wrote...

unclemonster wrote...

1st of all: Your degrading comments are unnecessary
I did read...and it IS what you were saying

No it wasn't. Stop trying to invent stuff. YOU misunderstood what I typed.

unclemonster wrote...
bottom line: TAC SCAN IS THE EXACT SAME ON ALL CHARACTERS that have it PERIOD!!!!!!!

Well done, correct, would you like a gold star?

We were never arguing that the ability varies between kits (read out posts; never once do we implicitly or explicitly state this) yet you still read into the post wrong.

For the same number of points invested in tactical scan, an infiltrator gains much more damage as a result.

This was the argument all along. You were just incapable of seeing this.

Are you capable of having a respectful conversation without constant belittling?

[lightswitch]

Feneckus wrote...

If you and your cuddle buddy weren't contradicting each other directly, I might be able to take this seriously. As things stand, the French never were much good with learning other languages.

By the way, who is big spoon, you or Annomander?

[unclemonster]

Feneckus wrote...

unclemonster wrote...

whether I cast tac scan as a QMI or a QME casts tac scan, the result is THE EXACT SAME!!

Not really.

Take a team of say, Asari Vanguard, Human Soldier, Batarian Sentinel and MQE.

Cast Tac Scan and see how much extra damage the entire team does because of it (ie, how effective Tac Scan was)

Now switch the MQE for an MQI. Tac Scan will cause the entire team to do more extra damage, ie Tac Scan was a better debuffer, ie MQI's Tac Scan > MQE's Tac Scan.

I still believe this to be FALSE

[Ziegrif]

20 pages.

And absolutely NOTHING was achieved.

Bravo!

[Feneckus]

It is not a better debuff per se. It's the same power.

However, since it's a multiplicative debuff, it will buff not only your weapon/power damage but it will also buff Tactical Cloak's damage bonus, so it does actually debuff more on the MQI. You will do more extra damage with Arc Grenades and weapons. The debuff will be more effective. So it is a better power on the MQI. Take a look at Anno's maths. It's not the exact numbers but the logic is there. Send a PM to Peddro or something if you don't believe us.

[NuclearTech76]

Feneckus wrote...

It is not a better debuff per se. It's the same power.

However, since it's a multiplicative debuff, it will buff not only your weapon/power damage but it will also buff Tactical Cloak's damage bonus, so it does actually debuff more on the MQI. You will do more extra damage with Arc Grenades and weapons. The debuff will be more effective. So it is a better power on the MQI. Take a look at Anno's maths. It's not the exact numbers but the logic is there. Send a PM to Peddro or something if you don't believe us.

Stupid question but do targets highlighted with area scan take more damage for the brief time it is active?

[Feneckus]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Stupid question but do targets highlighted with area scan take more damage for the brief time it is active?

No

[Geek]

Feneckus wrote...

It is not a better debuff per se. It's the same power.

Feneckus wrote...

Take a team of say, Asari Vanguard, Human Soldier, Batarian Sentinel and MQE.

Cast Tac Scan and see how much extra damage the entire team does because of it (ie, how effective Tac Scan was)

Now
switch the MQE for an MQI. Tac Scan will cause the entire team to do
more extra damage, ie Tac Scan was a better debuffer, ie MQI's Tac Scan
> MQE's Tac Scan.

These two statements are contradictory. It is easy to see that tactical cloak and tac scan have better synergy so the infiltrator can take better advantage of tac cloak. Everyone gets that. It is the statement that the rest of the teammates will get a better debuff too that is causing the confusion here.

[Bechter]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

It is not a better debuff per se. It's the same power.

However, since it's a multiplicative debuff, it will buff not only your weapon/power damage but it will also buff Tactical Cloak's damage bonus, so it does actually debuff more on the MQI. You will do more extra damage with Arc Grenades and weapons. The debuff will be more effective. So it is a better power on the MQI. Take a look at Anno's maths. It's not the exact numbers but the logic is there. Send a PM to Peddro or something if you don't believe us.

Stupid question but do targets highlighted with area scan take more damage for the brief time it is active?

Not on the engineer you can only achieve when casting it from cloak. (Not true)

The bolded was my original point and it took multiple pages for you to admit that but im glad we have come to an agreement on this issue.

[Feneckus]

Geek Fest wrote...

It is the statement that the rest of the teammates will get a better debuff too that is causing the confusion here.

I didn't say the rest of the team. I said the ENTIRE team. Meaning YOU + your teammates. Your teammates will get the same debuff. However, since you get more out of the debuff as a MQI, it is a better debuff for the entire team, since you're part of it.

[lightswitch]

Nothing says 'elitist' quite like miserably failing at communicating an idea, and then yelling at everyone and calling them stupid because they can't understand your pidgin speak.

/thread

Modifié par lightswitch, 18 janvier 2013 - 08:23 .

[HybridVirus1507]

Bechter wrote...

You're all elitists and should be thrown out of an airlock!

Bechter has the right idea. Okay, not all of you are elitists (it's probably like 10 people who actually care), but the point stands. These super kits are just another tool in the over all box of multiplayer. If people use them to be better, so what? It doesn't cheapen my game, I still have fun. 

Also, as numerous people have pointed out, if the new guys using TGIs and Kroguards get me money faster, it seems enormously hypocritical for me to complain at their tactics while using the money they helped earn to fill out my manifest.

That's just my opinion though, no real weight to it.

[Geek]

Feneckus wrote...

Geek Fest wrote...

It is the statement that the rest of the teammates will get a better debuff too that is causing the confusion here.

I didn't say the rest of the team. I said the ENTIRE team. Meaning YOU + your teammates. Your teammates will get the same debuff. However, since you get more out of the debuff as a MQI, it is a better debuff for the entire team, since you're part of it.

Yes that is true. You did say entire team and that would include the player that used tac scan. The rest the team wouldn't factor into the thatl I'm not sure you included them. Certainly you can see how this could be interpreted differently.

[lightswitch]

Geek Fest wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Geek Fest wrote...

It is the statement that the rest of the teammates will get a better debuff too that is causing the confusion here.

I didn't say the rest of the team. I said the ENTIRE team. Meaning YOU + your teammates. Your teammates will get the same debuff. However, since you get more out of the debuff as a MQI, it is a better debuff for the entire team, since you're part of it.

Yes that is true. You did say entire team and that would include the player that used tac scan. The rest the team wouldn't factor into the thatl I'm not sure you included them. Certainly you can see how this could be interpreted differently.

It's downright misleading is what it is.

Either that or he misunderstood the game mechanic when he wrote that but doesn't have the balls to admit it.

[Bechter]

Feneckus wrote...

Geek Fest wrote...

It is the statement that the rest of the teammates will get a better debuff too that is causing the confusion here.

I didn't say the rest of the team. I said the ENTIRE team. Meaning YOU + your teammates. Your teammates will get the same debuff. However, since you get more out of the debuff as a MQI, it is a better debuff for the entire team, since you're part of it.

Please explian the extra benefits (Debuff Specefic) my teammates get from tac scan whether i cast it from the MQE, MQI (Uncloaked), or MQI (Cloaked)?

I be waiting here to be yelled at and submit to your logic.

[unclemonster]

Geek Fest wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

It is not a better debuff per se. It's the same power.

Feneckus wrote...

Take a team of say, Asari Vanguard, Human Soldier, Batarian Sentinel and MQE.

Cast Tac Scan and see how much extra damage the entire team does because of it (ie, how effective Tac Scan was)

Now
switch the MQE for an MQI. Tac Scan will cause the entire team to do
more extra damage, ie Tac Scan was a better debuffer, ie MQI's Tac Scan
> MQE's Tac Scan.

These two statements are contradictory. It is easy to see that tactical cloak and tac scan have better synergy so the infiltrator can take better advantage of tac cloak. Everyone gets that. It is the statement that the rest of the teammates will get a better debuff too that is causing the confusion here.

Exactly...
very contradictory...

[Geek]

lightswitch wrote...

Geek Fest wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Geek Fest wrote...

It is the statement that the rest of the teammates will get a better debuff too that is causing the confusion here.

I didn't say the rest of the team. I said the ENTIRE team. Meaning YOU + your teammates. Your teammates will get the same debuff. However, since you get more out of the debuff as a MQI, it is a better debuff for the entire team, since you're part of it.

Yes that is true. You did say entire team and that would include the player that used tac scan. The rest the team wouldn't factor into the thatl I'm not sure you included them. Certainly you can see how this could be interpreted differently.

It's downright misleading is what it is.

Either that or he misunderstood the game mechanic when he wrote that but doesn't have the balls to admit it.

Well it is certainly ambiguous. The "entire team" could mean every individual player on the team is doing more damage or as a group they do more damage. If he meant the latter he isn't wrong just not clear.

Modifié par Geek Fest, 18 janvier 2013 - 08:32 .

[Bechter]

Annomander wrote...
Well done, correct, would you like a gold star?

We were never arguing that the ability varies between kits (read out posts; never once do we implicitly or explicitly state this) yet you still read into the post wrong.

For the same number of points invested in tactical scan, an infiltrator gains much more damage as a result.

This was the argument all along. You were just incapable of seeing this.

What If I spec out of Cloak because I am a disciple of Stardusk and want to make a guide about cloakless infiltrators?