593 réponses à ce sujet

[Epique Phael767]

Ziegrif wrote...

20 pages.

And absolutely NOTHING was achieved.

Bravo!

You're surprised?

This happens on BSN all the time.

[Bechter]

Epique Phael767 wrote...

Ziegrif wrote...

20 pages.

And absolutely NOTHING was achieved.

Bravo!

You're surprised?

This happens on BSN all the time.

At least there were some laughs

[Werdnuh]

lightswitch wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

Werdnuh wrote...
 some awful class like the Saboteur or (in my opinion) the Slasher Adept

lol wut.

my thoughts exactly when I read this.

I don't have much an excuse for the retardation involved in what I originally wrote. I didn't realize the Slasher had cluster grenades. For some reason I thought I read he had Sub net. So yeah. I hadn't bothered even playing with it yet because of that.

[Jack of Wolves]

Simply put, there is no problem except for Tryhards.

Tryhards, as a rule, should be ignored, due to the fact they tend to be a very vocal minority with very specific tastes that tend to put off non-Tryhards (i.e., the majority)

It's a gods-poxed cooperative game. Focus on the last two words of the previous sentence.

There is no problem. Play what yu enjoy and ignore the oens who say there is one, and you'll be happier.

To my experience at least.

[BridgeBurner]

I'd love to see Cyonan take on Feneckus in game.

Would be amusing to see lolCyonan's favourite infiltrator fail versus Feneckus' volus engineer.

[xtorma]

Annomander wrote...

I'd love to see Cyonan take on Feneckus in game.

Would be amusing to see lolCyonan's favourite infiltrator fail versus Feneckus' volus engineer.

Voleng is op

[BridgeBurner]

xtorma wrote...

Annomander wrote...

I'd love to see Cyonan take on Feneckus in game.

Would be amusing to see lolCyonan's favourite infiltrator fail versus Feneckus' volus engineer.

Voleng is op

And your average infiltrator isn't OP? Yeah, funny. If volus engineer is OP, what does that make ANY infiltrator? Godmode?

All the maths in the world wouldn't save Cyonan.

That's the best part about Cyonan's maths rants. Half the time its all meaningless bullsh*t anyway; when actual in game performance is very much different.

Modifié par Annomander, 19 janvier 2013 - 02:10 .

[Bechter]

Annomander wrote...

I'd love to see Cyonan take on Feneckus in game.

Would be amusing to see lolCyonan's favourite infiltrator fail versus Feneckus' volus engineer.

And how would the results of this game  (either way) have any bearing on this discussion?

[Werdnuh]

Bechter wrote...

Annomander wrote...

I'd love to see Cyonan take on Feneckus in game.

Would be amusing to see lolCyonan's favourite infiltrator fail versus Feneckus' volus engineer.

And how would the results of this game  (either way) have any bearing on this discussion?

this is a meritocracy. Obviously the person who is more skilled in game is correct. (this is joke. My comment and the entire idea.)

[ryoldschool]

Bechter wrote...

Annomander wrote...

I'd love to see Cyonan take on Feneckus in game.

Would be amusing to see lolCyonan's favourite infiltrator fail versus Feneckus' volus engineer.

And how would the results of this game  (either way) have any bearing on this discussion?

[GallowsPole]

My daddy can WHUP your Daddy's ass in this game.

[Bechter]

My father is a brilliant man!

[cato potato]

Say what you will about cyonan but at least his posts are often interesting and don't read like the rant of a pathetic little child (nAmiNg NO names)

[lightswitch]

Annomander wrote...

I'd love to see Cyonan take on Feneckus in game.

Would be amusing to see lolCyonan's favourite infiltrator fail versus Feneckus' volus engineer.

Haha, it's like Christmas every time you post, Annomander.

Supposing this match took place, and the results are as you predict, all it would succeed in proving is that infiltrators aren't brokenly overpowered and player skill rules the day, which is exactly what Cyonan has been saying all along.

Modifié par lightswitch, 19 janvier 2013 - 03:34 .

[stormrider1012]

Feneckus wrote...

stormrider1012 wrote...

I agree with the majority of your points but telling other players how they should play just doesn't seem right.

I don't do that. I don't even want a Tactical Cloak nerf.

"
But the impression I get from your posts is that you're essentially against players using "crutch" classes to play a difficulty you deem is beyond their "skill"? What if they genuinely enjoy playing that class and not just because its OP?
And you pointed out that players overusing certain OP kits (e.g. GI) led to misguided nerfs hurting other perfectly fine kits (e.g. GE) but how is that the players' fault? The real problem is how bioware programmed the game that certain powers shared by multiple kits cannot be tweaked individually (plus their obsession and over-reliance with metadata)
My point is players should not "adjust" their wep and kit selection just for the sake of balance (balance is the dev's responsibility not ours). It should be dictated with that they deem to fun or enjoyable to them as long as they are not glitching or griefing. If their idea of fun doesn't coincide with yours then you don't have to play with them and if majority of the randoms ****** you off then that's what private lobbies are for.

[stormrider1012]

double post

Modifié par stormrider1012, 19 janvier 2013 - 03:36 .

[Cyonan]

Annomander wrote...

I'd love to see Cyonan take on Feneckus in game.

Would be amusing to see lolCyonan's favourite infiltrator fail versus Feneckus' volus engineer.

I've never made claims that I was the most skilled player, and I've no interest in e-peen contests, so let's just say Feneckus will win.

Not that anybody beating me with an Engineer while I'm playing an Infiltrator is going to prove that Infiltrators are overpowered.

It's nice to know that you have no real arguments left, however.

[Muhkida]

Annomander wrote...

I'd love to see Cyonan take on Feneckus in game.

Would be amusing to see lolCyonan's favourite infiltrator fail versus Feneckus' volus engineer.

Yep, that's not an awful rebuttal for facts and numbers...

[mrs_anomaly]

Jack of Wolves wrote...

Simply put, there is no problem except for Tryhards.

Tryhards, as a rule, should be ignored, due to the fact they tend to be a very vocal minority with very specific tastes that tend to put off non-Tryhards (i.e., the majority)

It's a gods-poxed cooperative game. Focus on the last two words of the previous sentence.

There is no problem. Play what yu enjoy and ignore the oens who say there is one, and you'll be happier.

To my experience at least.

Tryhards<-- please explain. What precisely does this term mean in the context of ME3 multiplayer? I'm asking sincerely- I've been seeing a lot of it lately on BSN, thanks. 

[SeitenHekireki]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Morugatu wrote...

Its the skill and experience of the player with any given kit not the kit itself that makes them good. This is common knowledge. What people do complain about is when a kit is unbalanced in terms of having too many advantages without enough disadvantages to balance them. The TGI, Shadow, Kroguard, old Demolisher, GI, DI, etc all fall into this category. I use them all because I enjoy them just as much as any other kit but it is quite obvious they aren't very balanced.

 

I can understand idiots still thinking the GI and DI are overpowered (even though they aren't).

But the Shadow/Demolisher?  

The Shadow is right up there with the worst classes in the entire game.

How so? She may be squishy if you go for a melee build, but overall I find her one of my best characters... 

[Distilled Poison]

mrs_anomaly wrote...

Tryhards<-- please explain. What precisely does this term mean in the context of ME3 multiplayer? I'm asking sincerely- I've been seeing a lot of it lately on BSN, thanks.

"Tryhard" is the new gaming generation's word for "people I don't like." There is no single meaning to it, as it's such a global term for things people don't like. A player likes difficulty and handicaps himself for challenge? Try hard. A player wants nothing more than a win, equips all the best stuff? Try hard.

In his context, he seems to be referring to higher skilled players who have issues with things that break balance.

[Feneckus]

Cyonan wrote...

....

Cyonan, you are an intelligent guy, I'll give you that much. You have an opinion and you back it up by facs and numbers. It's something I respect (no tricks or anything, I do).

Can you at least acknowlegge my arguments make sense ?

[darkpassenger2342]

what ive learned from this thread:
crutch class list:

anything with smash ( padept, pvanguard)
anything with grenades ( QME, krogans, asari vanguard, drells)
anything with tactical cloak ( like 10 characters)
anything with flamer ( 2 vorcha and geth trooper)
heavy gun classes and demolisher ( destroyer, tsol, hsol)
krogan vanguard
paladin ( snap freeze is super crutch)
slayer

am i doing right? l2p guys, you cannot play these classes or you are pathetic scrubs with no skill at this game

cant wait to enjoy these 9-10 classes im allowed to play!!!

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 19 janvier 2013 - 05:15 .

[Eelectrica]

Nothing wrong with Crutch Characters.
Play characters you feel like playing/good at/have fun with.
The hell with what elitists say.

[Cyonan]

Feneckus wrote...
Cyonan, you are an intelligent guy, I'll give you that much. You have an opinion and you back it up by facs and numbers. It's something I respect (no tricks or anything, I do).

Can you at least acknowlegge my arguments make sense ?

There's somewhat of a point if you account for the exaggerations you're making.

I don't think that Tactical Cloak itself is overpowered and I never will. I doubt if you'll ever think that it's not overpowered.

I do think that it's a very powerful ability though and certainly any character with it immediately is a good character. There are a few abilities like this. Adrenaline Rush or Marksman also fall in this category.

Essentially what I see it coming down to is that the characters who have amazing synergy between 3 solid abilities get called overpowered on a regular basis around here, as they tend to perform better than the majority of characters, who do not have this. Being that it increases weapon and power damage, Tactical Cloak happens to make it very easy to do this.

I disagree with the very idea that this is even overpowered. Rather, I say that this is how all character should be(obviously with the enemy rebalanced around the idea of this).

It's certainly not something that's going to be solved in Mass Effect 3 however, even if BioWare agree'd with me, which there is no guarantee that they do.