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[Wayning_Star]

Shaani wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

realizing that the reaperships are just semi intelligent pawns and storage units, abeit gross in their 'function' doesn't lend to them more responsibility for their 'assigned' actions. They have NO choices, they are under the thumb of the catalyst.Even the Levi are under it's decree.

That's not how it works, though.  Let me quote the wiki.

The Catalyst, also known as the Intelligence, is an ancient artificial intelligence that resides within the Citadel. It embodies the collective consciousness and memories of the Reapers, and thus countless ancient civilizations.

The Catalyst is the Reapers.  The Reapers are the Catalyst.  The Reapers are individually conscious and those consiousnesses make up the totality that is the Catalyst.

In the Control ending, you're erasing the Catalyst's program and replacing it with a new one based on yourself.  In Synthesis, you are chosing to grant the Catalyst (along with all other synthetics)  a measure of yourself, of humanity.  You are also granting all organic beings a measure of the Catalyst.

By choosing Synthesis, you are choosing to spare the Catalyst, or at least it's component intellects.

I am saying that regardless of what happens, no other form of life, organic or otherwise, with even a shred of self-preservation will ever sleep soundly again so long as the Catalyst exists. 

Not according to the cats' speech on the EC, it's clarifies that it 'controls' the reaperships. Sure,they're part of its program cache,but thats it, as it/catalyst uses them as 'harbingers' of supposed destruction IF you resist harvests.

I look at the reaperships as multipurpose tools, part thug, part sheriff and mostly just vessels of the catalyst.

unfortunately, as any organic being requiring technology to survive, or at best "advance", then the lure of supremacy will lurk. Techncially, the Leviathan are ultimately responsible for the whole thing anyways, follows the aforementioned threat of the "Evil Genus/Catalytic Intelligence...

edit:
actually theres another descriptor for the reaperships.

Many empires have created vassal states out of cities, kingdoms, and tribes that they wish to bring under their auspices without having to conquer or govern them. In these cases, vassalage (or suzerainty) just means forfeiting foreign policy independence in exchange for full autonomy and perhaps a formal tribute. A lesser state that might be called a "junior ally" would be called a "vassal" as a reference to a domestic "fiefholder" or "trustee", simply to apply a common domestic norm to diplomatic culture. This allows different cultures to understand formal hegemonic relationships in personal terms, even among states using non-personal forms of rule. Imperial states that have used this terminology include Ancient Rome, the Mongol Empire, and the British Empire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vassal

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 28 janvier 2013 - 05:31 .

[Helios969]

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

I still think you're missing my point, but I'm talking about reality of human nature (not videogame context.)  Even though it's an arbitary number, I say 99% of people would shoot the tube if they really experienced the reaper genocide.  Maybe your part of the rare 1%, but most people are reactionary creatures who will only care about the utter annihilation of the catalyst/reapers.  Just take an objective look at human history over the past 20 or 30 years.  Most people could not put aside their need for vengence for the "betterment" of all (if it really is better.)  Humankind is largely very shortsighted.  Collectively, we are a "now" race of people.

If we are talking about reality, then I am afraid you are making a broad assumption on other people's views, basing on your own personal perception. While most people would, indeed, go for the revenge, there are many more philosophical and less vengenful people out there than you make it out to be. It is also reinforced by both history AND present times.

So, what you're saying is that after watching your entire family and all your friends turned into genetic sludge, you're just gonna turn the other cheek?

Not that I by any means have it all figured out, but I've spent my life observing human nature...it's pretty much my number one hobby...people are fascinating, complex creatures.  So my commentary is not purely based on my own reality.  When 9/11 occurred, more than 90% of Americans wanted a quick military response....blood for blood.  That's pretty amazing to consider since most Americans didn't know the victims, and even more amazing that you can't get that kind of consensus on any social issue.  Just try to apply empathy to the situation...just imagine being stuck on Earth while the Reapers ravage it and kill everyone you love...again it stretches the bounds of credibility that more than a handful of people would allow the Catalyst/Reapers to exist in a postwar galaxy.

[Shaani]

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

I still think you're missing my point, but I'm talking about reality of human nature (not videogame context.)  Even though it's an arbitary number, I say 99% of people would shoot the tube if they really experienced the reaper genocide.  Maybe your part of the rare 1%, but most people are reactionary creatures who will only care about the utter annihilation of the catalyst/reapers.  Just take an objective look at human history over the past 20 or 30 years.  Most people could not put aside their need for vengence for the "betterment" of all (if it really is better.)  Humankind is largely very shortsighted.  Collectively, we are a "now" race of people.

If we are talking about reality, then I am afraid you are making a broad assumption on other people's views, basing on your own personal perception. While most people would, indeed, go for the revenge, there are many more philosophical and less vengenful people out there than you make it out to be. It is also reinforced by both history AND present times.

I don't really think "revenge" is the right word for what would drive someone in that situation.  The Reapers are too big to really concieve of in terms of "revenge".  "Revenge" is something you do to another human being that has wronged you.  The Reapers are more akin to a natural disaster.  They are beyond you, and even if they weren't, there's nothing personal in their actions.  They're not targeting you.  This is just what the Reapers are.  You can no more concieve of "revenge" against them than you could against an earthquake or a tidal wave.

I would say that the word is more properly "anguish".

Most people, in this siutation, would be in incredible pain, both physical and psychological.  Higher thoughts about cyber-utopias or harmony would fade into the background of the here-and-now fact that you're watching the human race being annihilated right before your very eyes while your entire body is wracked with pain and you're bleeding all over the place.

In this state, the Reaper overmind gives you three choices, two of which lead directly to your death, one of which involves sacrificing yourself to bring enlightenment to the Reapers, and the third utterly destroys the source of your pain forever.

What would you really choose?

[Shaani]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Not according to the cats' speech on the EC, it's clarifies that it 'controls' the reaperships.

You "control" your arm.  It is not your vassal.

[Wayning_Star]

Helios969 wrote...

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

I still think you're missing my point, but I'm talking about reality of human nature (not videogame context.)  Even though it's an arbitary number, I say 99% of people would shoot the tube if they really experienced the reaper genocide.  Maybe your part of the rare 1%, but most people are reactionary creatures who will only care about the utter annihilation of the catalyst/reapers.  Just take an objective look at human history over the past 20 or 30 years.  Most people could not put aside their need for vengence for the "betterment" of all (if it really is better.)  Humankind is largely very shortsighted.  Collectively, we are a "now" race of people.

If we are talking about reality, then I am afraid you are making a broad assumption on other people's views, basing on your own personal perception. While most people would, indeed, go for the revenge, there are many more philosophical and less vengenful people out there than you make it out to be. It is also reinforced by both history AND present times.

So, what you're saying is that after watching your entire family and all your friends turned into genetic sludge, you're just gonna turn the other cheek?

Not that I by any means have it all figured out, but I've spent my life observing human nature...it's pretty much my number one hobby...people are fascinating, complex creatures.  So my commentary is not purely based on my own reality.  When 9/11 occurred, more than 90% of Americans wanted a quick military response....blood for blood.  That's pretty amazing to consider since most Americans didn't know the victims, and even more amazing that you can't get that kind of consensus on any social issue.  Just try to apply empathy to the situation...just imagine being stuck on Earth while the Reapers ravage it and kill everyone you love...again it stretches the bounds of credibility that more than a handful of people would allow the Catalyst/Reapers to exist in a postwar galaxy.

probably a poor example choice in rationalizing a modus for a sci fi adventure..such realities, but that was then, now might be configured differently.. hind vs fore , if 'sight' actually is relavant to 'wants' opposed to 'needs' based politics...

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 28 janvier 2013 - 05:43 .

[Wayning_Star]

Shaani wrote...

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

I still think you're missing my point, but I'm talking about reality of human nature (not videogame context.)  Even though it's an arbitary number, I say 99% of people would shoot the tube if they really experienced the reaper genocide.  Maybe your part of the rare 1%, but most people are reactionary creatures who will only care about the utter annihilation of the catalyst/reapers.  Just take an objective look at human history over the past 20 or 30 years.  Most people could not put aside their need for vengence for the "betterment" of all (if it really is better.)  Humankind is largely very shortsighted.  Collectively, we are a "now" race of people.

If we are talking about reality, then I am afraid you are making a broad assumption on other people's views, basing on your own personal perception. While most people would, indeed, go for the revenge, there are many more philosophical and less vengenful people out there than you make it out to be. It is also reinforced by both history AND present times.

I don't really think "revenge" is the right word for what would drive someone in that situation.  The Reapers are too big to really concieve of in terms of "revenge".  "Revenge" is something you do to another human being that has wronged you.  The Reapers are more akin to a natural disaster.  They are beyond you, and even if they weren't, there's nothing personal in their actions.  They're not targeting you.  This is just what the Reapers are.  You can no more concieve of "revenge" against them than you could against an earthquake or a tidal wave.

I would say that the word is more properly "anguish".

Most people, in this siutation, would be in incredible pain, both physical and psychological.  Higher thoughts about cyber-utopias or harmony would fade into the background of the here-and-now fact that you're watching the human race being annihilated right before your very eyes while your entire body is wracked with pain and you're bleeding all over the place.

In this state, the Reaper overmind gives you three choices, two of which lead directly to your death, one of which involves sacrificing yourself to bring enlightenment to the Reapers, and the third utterly destroys the source of your pain forever.

What would you really choose?

utterly destroys your pain?!?

Now I'm curious, which one does that? It's not in your post which is which?

[nos_astra]

Shaani wrote...
What would you really choose?

After months on a ravaged earth, with people dying all around me, after witnessing gruesome deaths (possibly losing friends, my husband or my son before my eyes), hungry (maybe even starving), desperate, half-crazed with grief, living in a nightmare that doesn't seem to end I'd probably want these things dead and accept my own death. Just END IT ALL.

I really can't see myself willing to become part of a huge experiment as proposed by the Reapers.

[Helios969]

Nothing is gonna destroy the pain...

[Wayning_Star]

Shaani wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Not according to the cats' speech on the EC, it's clarifies that it 'controls' the reaperships.

You "control" your arm.  It is not your vassal.

I don't fully understand that question. Are you saying that the catalyst 'arms' are the reaperships so that makes the reaperships responsible for the catalyst decisions?

[Helios969]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Shaani wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Not according to the cats' speech on the EC, it's clarifies that it 'controls' the reaperships.

You "control" your arm.  It is not your vassal.

I don't fully understand that question. Are you saying that the catalyst 'arms' are the reaperships so that makes the reaperships responsible for the catalyst decisions?

damn...my brain is starting to hurt!

[Mouton_Alpha]

Helios969 wrote...

So, what you're saying is that after watching your entire family and all your friends turned into genetic sludge, you're just gonna turn the other cheek?

Not that I by any means have it all figured out, but I've spent my life observing human nature...it's pretty much my number one hobby...people are fascinating, complex creatures.  So my commentary is not purely based on my own reality.  When 9/11 occurred, more than 90% of Americans wanted a quick military response....blood for blood.  That's pretty amazing to consider since most Americans didn't know the victims, and even more amazing that you can't get that kind of consensus on any social issue.  Just try to apply empathy to the situation...just imagine being stuck on Earth while the Reapers ravage it and kill everyone you love...again it stretches the bounds of credibility that more than a handful of people would allow the Catalyst/Reapers to exist in a postwar galaxy.

You are taking an extreme situation and extrapolating it onto everyone. Of course the most of the most traumatized will want revenge. But many didn't "see their loved ones turned into a sludge" and might consider the bigger picture. Btw, in the current times example you gave, did the 90% advocate complete eradication of their perceived enemy? Was genocide commited on nations who commited genocide? Should it be?

[Wayning_Star]

Helios969 wrote...

Nothing is gonna destroy the pain...

time heals all wounds?

(I just heard that one somewhere, don't know for sure if its a working hypothisis.)

[Helios969]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

Nothing is gonna destroy the pain...

time heals all wounds?

(I just heard that one somewhere, don't know for sure if its a working hypothisis.)

Talking to many vets, the pain never goes away but you find ways to cope.  Of course, there are always exceptions.

[Wayning_Star]

klarabella wrote...

Shaani wrote...
What would you really choose?

After months on a ravaged earth, with people dying all around me, after witnessing gruesome deaths (possibly losing friends, my husband or my son before my eyes), hungry (maybe even starving), desperate, half-crazed with grief, living in a nightmare that doesn't seem to end I'd probably want these things dead and accept my own death. Just END IT ALL.

I really can't see myself willing to become part of a huge experiment as proposed by the Reapers.

yeah, stupid Leviathan and their thrall problem..sheesh.

[Helios969]

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

So, what you're saying is that after watching your entire family and all your friends turned into genetic sludge, you're just gonna turn the other cheek?

Not that I by any means have it all figured out, but I've spent my life observing human nature...it's pretty much my number one hobby...people are fascinating, complex creatures.  So my commentary is not purely based on my own reality.  When 9/11 occurred, more than 90% of Americans wanted a quick military response....blood for blood.  That's pretty amazing to consider since most Americans didn't know the victims, and even more amazing that you can't get that kind of consensus on any social issue.  Just try to apply empathy to the situation...just imagine being stuck on Earth while the Reapers ravage it and kill everyone you love...again it stretches the bounds of credibility that more than a handful of people would allow the Catalyst/Reapers to exist in a postwar galaxy.

You are taking an extreme situation and extrapolating it onto everyone. Of course the most of the most traumatized will want revenge. But many didn't "see their loved ones turned into a sludge" and might consider the bigger picture. Btw, in the current times example you gave, did the 90% advocate complete eradication of their perceived enemy? Was genocide commited on nations who commited genocide? Should it be?

I only used that example because when comparing the scope of carnage of 9/11 and that of the reaper harvest and destruction of earth it sort of puts things in context...3000 victims vs 300 million...or 3 billion (don't have specific numbers.)  I think most survivors would have experience some degree of horror.  This of course is purely an academic discussion...still I have a hard time reconciling more than a few people overcoming the trauma (quickly enough) to choose synthesis, (moral implications aside.)  And if we put this purely in the context of Shepard who has witness the systematic genocide the reapers are inflicting, he or she is more than likely gonna shoot the tube.

[Wayning_Star]

Helios969 wrote...

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

So, what you're saying is that after watching your entire family and all your friends turned into genetic sludge, you're just gonna turn the other cheek?

Not that I by any means have it all figured out, but I've spent my life observing human nature...it's pretty much my number one hobby...people are fascinating, complex creatures.  So my commentary is not purely based on my own reality.  When 9/11 occurred, more than 90% of Americans wanted a quick military response....blood for blood.  That's pretty amazing to consider since most Americans didn't know the victims, and even more amazing that you can't get that kind of consensus on any social issue.  Just try to apply empathy to the situation...just imagine being stuck on Earth while the Reapers ravage it and kill everyone you love...again it stretches the bounds of credibility that more than a handful of people would allow the Catalyst/Reapers to exist in a postwar galaxy.

You are taking an extreme situation and extrapolating it onto everyone. Of course the most of the most traumatized will want revenge. But many didn't "see their loved ones turned into a sludge" and might consider the bigger picture. Btw, in the current times example you gave, did the 90% advocate complete eradication of their perceived enemy? Was genocide commited on nations who commited genocide? Should it be?

I only used that example because when comparing the scope of carnage of 9/11 and that of the reaper harvest and destruction of earth it sort of puts things in context...3000 victims vs 300 million...or 3 billion (don't have specific numbers.)  I think most survivors would have experience some degree of horror.  This of course is purely an academic discussion...still I have a hard time reconciling more than a few people overcoming the trauma (quickly enough) to choose synthesis, (moral implications aside.)  And if we put this purely in the context of Shepard who has witness the systematic genocide the reapers are inflicting, he or she is more than likely gonna shoot the tube.

gotta keep in mind, this is a video game and it's Shep whos at the crossroad, not everyone,all at once. Sitting at a game console or computer system making galactic decision doesn't actually result in reality shifts at home.
(maybe 

We're really just Shep 'advisors'..detatched as it were.

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 28 janvier 2013 - 06:24 .

[Shaani]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Now I'm curious, which one does that? It's not in your post which is which?

I said the source of your pain, the Reapers.  I believe pain would drive most people to destroy the Reapers.

klarabella wrote...

Shaani wrote...
What would you really choose?

After months on a ravaged earth, with people dying all around me, after witnessing gruesome deaths (possibly losing friends, my husband or my son before my eyes), hungry (maybe even starving), desperate, half-crazed with grief, living in a nightmare that doesn't seem to end I'd probably want these things dead and accept my own death. Just END IT ALL.

Let's ignore the entire Reaper war, and just focus on that one scene.

Think of the view from that tower.  You can see the entire battle unfolding around the Citadel.  You can see the entire world burning beneath.

You're watching the Reapers annihilate the last defenders of the human race, even while the Catalyst is telling you his "ideal" solution to a problem that he obviously still doesn't even remotely understand.  Every second you talk to this thing, more people are suffering and dying, millions of them.  It's the one doing the killing.

And here you are, watching it.  Listening to it ask you to die for it.  To die to save it, or to destroy it and all the Reapers.

Would you even be sane at that point?  Calm enough to weigh pros and cons on behalf of the entire galaxy?  I wouldn't.  I honestly think I wouldn't be.

I would choose the quickest, simplist, most permenant solution offered to me.  Not for revenge.  To stop the horror.

[Helios969]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

So, what you're saying is that after watching your entire family and all your friends turned into genetic sludge, you're just gonna turn the other cheek?

Not that I by any means have it all figured out, but I've spent my life observing human nature...it's pretty much my number one hobby...people are fascinating, complex creatures.  So my commentary is not purely based on my own reality.  When 9/11 occurred, more than 90% of Americans wanted a quick military response....blood for blood.  That's pretty amazing to consider since most Americans didn't know the victims, and even more amazing that you can't get that kind of consensus on any social issue.  Just try to apply empathy to the situation...just imagine being stuck on Earth while the Reapers ravage it and kill everyone you love...again it stretches the bounds of credibility that more than a handful of people would allow the Catalyst/Reapers to exist in a postwar galaxy.

You are taking an extreme situation and extrapolating it onto everyone. Of course the most of the most traumatized will want revenge. But many didn't "see their loved ones turned into a sludge" and might consider the bigger picture. Btw, in the current times example you gave, did the 90% advocate complete eradication of their perceived enemy? Was genocide commited on nations who commited genocide? Should it be?

I only used that example because when comparing the scope of carnage of 9/11 and that of the reaper harvest and destruction of earth it sort of puts things in context...3000 victims vs 300 million...or 3 billion (don't have specific numbers.)  I think most survivors would have experience some degree of horror.  This of course is purely an academic discussion...still I have a hard time reconciling more than a few people overcoming the trauma (quickly enough) to choose synthesis, (moral implications aside.)  And if we put this purely in the context of Shepard who has witness the systematic genocide the reapers are inflicting, he or she is more than likely gonna shoot the tube.

gotta keep in mind, this is a video game and it's Shep whos at the crossroad, not everyone,all at once. Sitting at a game console or computer system making galactic desision doesn't actually result in reality shifts at home.
(maybe

We're really just Shep 'advisors'..detatched as it were.

I dunno...much of what appeals to me about the ME universe are many of the themes that have "real world" relevance.  They make you think...for people who like that sort of thing.  There are no easy moral questions, as any decision will have consequences for a multitude of others.  No matter what, a certain percentage will be resentful of anything that takes away the control they believe they have over their own lives (real or imagined.)

[Mouton_Alpha]

Shaani wrote...

I would choose the quickest, simplist, most permenant solution offered to me.  Not for revenge.  To stop the horror.

Well, tbh, all of the options - except Refuse - end the killing just as fast. And all endings have some potential for the killing to start again in the far future.

[Wayning_Star]

Shaani wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Now I'm curious, which one does that? It's not in your post which is which?

I said the source of your pain, the Reapers.  I believe pain would drive most people to destroy the Reapers.

klarabella wrote...

Shaani wrote...
What would you really choose?

After months on a ravaged earth, with people dying all around me, after witnessing gruesome deaths (possibly losing friends, my husband or my son before my eyes), hungry (maybe even starving), desperate, half-crazed with grief, living in a nightmare that doesn't seem to end I'd probably want these things dead and accept my own death. Just END IT ALL.

Let's ignore the entire Reaper war, and just focus on that one scene.

Think of the view from that tower.  You can see the entire battle unfolding around the Citadel.  You can see the entire world burning beneath.

You're watching the Reapers annihilate the last defenders of the human race, even while the Catalyst is telling you his "ideal" solution to a problem that he obviously still doesn't even remotely understand.  Every second you talk to this thing, more people are suffering and dying, millions of them.  It's the one doing the killing.

And here you are, watching it.  Listening to it ask you to die for it.  To die to save it, or to destroy it and all the Reapers.

Would you even be sane at that point?  Calm enough to weigh pros and cons on behalf of the entire galaxy?  I wouldn't.  I honestly think I wouldn't be.

I would choose the quickest, simplist, most permenant solution offered to me.  Not for revenge.  To stop the horror.

and that choice would be? iyho?

(I cannot see the cat stating any 'ideal' solution it doesn't understand tho?)

[Helios969]

Shaani wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Now I'm curious, which one does that? It's not in your post which is which?

I said the source of your pain, the Reapers.  I believe pain would drive most people to destroy the Reapers.

klarabella wrote...

Shaani wrote...
What would you really choose?

After months on a ravaged earth, with people dying all around me, after witnessing gruesome deaths (possibly losing friends, my husband or my son before my eyes), hungry (maybe even starving), desperate, half-crazed with grief, living in a nightmare that doesn't seem to end I'd probably want these things dead and accept my own death. Just END IT ALL.

Let's ignore the entire Reaper war, and just focus on that one scene.

Think of the view from that tower.  You can see the entire battle unfolding around the Citadel.  You can see the entire world burning beneath.

You're watching the Reapers annihilate the last defenders of the human race, even while the Catalyst is telling you his "ideal" solution to a problem that he obviously still doesn't even remotely understand.  Every second you talk to this thing, more people are suffering and dying, millions of them.  It's the one doing the killing.

And here you are, watching it.  Listening to it ask you to die for it.  To die to save it, or to destroy it and all the Reapers.

Would you even be sane at that point?  Calm enough to weigh pros and cons on behalf of the entire galaxy?  I wouldn't.  I honestly think I wouldn't be.

I would choose the quickest, simplist, most permenant solution offered to me.  Not for revenge.  To stop the horror.

Me too!  Not to mention that despite all the pretty green slides, there is no way to understand the far-reaching consequences of synthesis.

[Wayning_Star]

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

Shaani wrote...

I would choose the quickest, simplist, most permenant solution offered to me.  Not for revenge.  To stop the horror.

Well, tbh, all of the options - except Refuse - end the killing just as fast. And all endings have some potential for the killing to start again in the far future.

I dunno, synthesis is pretty friggen thorough... maybe too thorough..but extreme cucumstance may require extreme action, even if faulty.

[Shaani]

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

Well, tbh, all of the options - except Refuse - end the killing just as fast. And all endings have some potential for the killing to start again in the far future.

If you sit there and think about it, yeah.

But most people won't.  Especially not if they've been through what Shepard has been through.

It's easier to do that when you're not bleeding out all over the floor, and watching while people are being slaughtered.  The most simple solution, if offered, is to destroy those who are doing the slaughtering.

[Helios969]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Shaani wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Now I'm curious, which one does that? It's not in your post which is which?

I said the source of your pain, the Reapers.  I believe pain would drive most people to destroy the Reapers.

klarabella wrote...

Shaani wrote...
What would you really choose?

After months on a ravaged earth, with people dying all around me, after witnessing gruesome deaths (possibly losing friends, my husband or my son before my eyes), hungry (maybe even starving), desperate, half-crazed with grief, living in a nightmare that doesn't seem to end I'd probably want these things dead and accept my own death. Just END IT ALL.

Let's ignore the entire Reaper war, and just focus on that one scene.

Think of the view from that tower.  You can see the entire battle unfolding around the Citadel.  You can see the entire world burning beneath.

You're watching the Reapers annihilate the last defenders of the human race, even while the Catalyst is telling you his "ideal" solution to a problem that he obviously still doesn't even remotely understand.  Every second you talk to this thing, more people are suffering and dying, millions of them.  It's the one doing the killing.

And here you are, watching it.  Listening to it ask you to die for it.  To die to save it, or to destroy it and all the Reapers.

Would you even be sane at that point?  Calm enough to weigh pros and cons on behalf of the entire galaxy?  I wouldn't.  I honestly think I wouldn't be.

I would choose the quickest, simplist, most permenant solution offered to me.  Not for revenge.  To stop the horror.

and that choice would be? iyho?

(I cannot see the cat stating any 'ideal' solution it doesn't understand tho?)

Then the cat would operate on instinct.  Humans do that to.  Fight or flight.  Besides could you really imagine yourself believing and trusting an A.I. that was in the process of eradicating organic life?  Hard to imagine.

[nos_astra]

Shaani wrote...
And here you are, watching it.  Listening to it ask you to die for it.  To die to save it, or to destroy it and all the Reapers.

Would you even be sane at that point?  Calm enough to weigh pros and cons on behalf of the entire galaxy?  I wouldn't.  I honestly think I wouldn't be.

I would choose the quickest, simplist, most permenant solution offered to me.  Not for revenge.  To stop the horror.

Exactly. Assuming such a situation arose and I found myself in in the position to decide how to stop it I would naturally go with the choice that my broken mind can still grasp to some degree. That would be destroy. End the Reapers, kill all synthetics (who hopefully will just drop dead and not suffer).

Either that or back away until I break down dead or curl up into a ball and die. (This counts as refuse, right?)

Modifié par klarabella, 28 janvier 2013 - 06:44 .