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[HardcoreSalmon]

Video: Link

Talon with piercing video: Link

Another weapon comparison video. Test was on ravagers on platinum with self detonated sacks. No equipment and no reload canceling was used.

I used mixed mods this time to suit each gun. The acolyte, Scorpion, Carnifex, Talon and Paladin all had capacity and damage and the predator, phalanx, eagle and arc pistol all had piercing and damage. Talon was done twice with capacity and then piercing.

class used: Turian Sentinel
Passives: 37.5 Weapon Damage

10. Acolyte X - 19.9s
9. Predator X - 17.7s
8. Phalanx X - 15.5s
7. Eagle VII - 12.4s
6. Scorpion X - 11.5s
5. Carnifex X - 11.0s
4. Talon X - 8.4s (Capacity)
3. Arc Pistol X - 7.7s
2. Paladin X - 7.3s
1. Talon X - 7.0s (Piercing)

Notes:
-I didn't do a burst fire version of the arc pistol because it wasn't gonna beat the held version's time and it hurts shooting that fast.
-I was shooting the predator as fast as possible and it was still that bad.
-A ravager walked slightly in front of 2 phalanx shots which probably did less damage to the targeted ravager. It probably didn't affect the time.

Dat Arc Pistol!

Modifié par Hardcoresalmon, 18 janvier 2013 - 12:33 .

[Crimson Vanguard]

Wow im surprise that the Talon was #3. Biower nerf Paladin pls. Oh and buff Acolyte it sucks.

Modifié par Crimson Vanguard, 17 janvier 2013 - 11:21 .

[Cyonan]

Out of curiosity, are all of the Ravager sacs breaking on every test you do?

They deal 10% of the Ravager's max health in damage to the Ravager, and there are a good 3-4 of them.

[HardcoreSalmon]

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

Wow im surprise that the Talon was #3. Biower nerf Paladin pls. Oh and buff Acolyte it sucks.

The acolyte is not a boss killer, it's supposed to take down shields.

[Crimson Vanguard]

Hardcoresalmon wrote...

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

Wow im surprise that the Talon was #3. Biower nerf Paladin pls. Oh and buff Acolyte it sucks.

The acolyte is not a boss killer, it's supposed to take down shields.

Sarcasm do you have it?

[HardcoreSalmon]

Cyonan wrote...

Out of curiosity, are all of the Ravager sacs breaking on every test you do?

They deal 10% of the Ravager's max health in damage to the Ravager, and there are a good 3-4 of them.

Yes on every test. I do it because sometimes you can hit the sack and sometimes you can't which can give mixed results.

Sometimes the ravagers sack will break but won't do any damage to the ravager. If that happens I don't use that ravager.

[HardcoreSalmon]

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

Hardcoresalmon wrote...

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

Wow im surprise that the Talon was #3. Biower nerf Paladin pls. Oh and buff Acolyte it sucks.

The acolyte is not a boss killer, it's supposed to take down shields.

Sarcasm do you have it?

It's very hard to tell sometimes if someone is being sarcastic.

[Flambrose]

Talon should have had piercing and damage. -300 damage per shot kind of hurts.

[jaydubs67]

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

Wow im surprise that the Talon was #3.

The Talon loses 300 damage per shot against armor w/o any AP, so it really isn't all that surprising.  It really shines with some sort of armor reducing ammo when combined with the mag and barrel, and from the fact that it has +50% damage against shields/barriers.  

[oXTheReverendXo]

Edit: 'd

Modifié par oXTheReverendXo, 17 janvier 2013 - 11:36 .

[HardcoreSalmon]

Flambrose wrote...

Talon should have had piercing and damage. -300 damage per shot kind of hurts.

I wasn't sure if it affected each bullet or the total damage per shot. I'll do the talon with piercing to compare them.

[Katinka]

Would the Talon not perform better against a Ravager with piercing and damage? Given it fires six pellets and gets hit by the armour reduction hard.

[Lucky]

Just like on shotguns the Talon looses 50 dmg per pellet so I have a feeling its going to turn out to be the champ when you redo it with piercing.

Dat Talon!

Edit: Also FYI you listed Eagle X in the BSN post and VII on youtube. Great video/work and thank you!

Modifié par rlucht, 17 janvier 2013 - 11:48 .

[Grinch57]

Dat Talon and Dat Arc.

Too many folks don't value the Arc.

Lots of folks don't have the Talon at X.

Folks who don't have the Talon at X should rethink the Arc.

Yes, there is a learning curve, but it's not bad, you quickly get into the rhythm of charge and fire.

Thanks HCS, another great test. Look forward to seeing the results with the Talon and piercing.

[Canned Madness]

Arc Pistol is weird. 1-shot non-charged, 2-shot partially-charged and 3-shot fully-charged.

I don't know if the charge works like the GPS though so no idea which is better.

[AaronEh]

Grinch57 wrote...

Dat Talon and Dat Arc.

Too many folks don't value the Arc.

Lots of folks don't have the Talon at X.

Folks who don't have the Talon at X should rethink the Arc.

Yes, there is a learning curve, but it's not bad, you quickly get into the rhythm of charge and fire.

Thanks HCS, another great test. Look forward to seeing the results with the Talon and piercing.

No, Talon need piercing - it has 6 pellets.

[najzere]

Awesome, nice vid as usual. Confirms my thoughts during Pistol mastery, basically that Arc Pistol X was way easier than Paladin I. Also interested to see the new Talon numbers. Thanks for these!

[HardcoreSalmon]

New Talon results added.

[Lucky]

Dat Talon FTW!!!

TY for the quick update salmon!

Edit: Also FYI you listed the new talon test as 'piercing and capacity' but did 'piercing and damage' for the video.
Really enjoyed all your weapon test vids, TY for all the hard work!

Modifié par rlucht, 18 janvier 2013 - 12:15 .

[Flambrose]

Canned Madness wrote...

Arc Pistol is weird. 1-shot non-charged, 2-shot partially-charged and 3-shot fully-charged.

I don't know if the charge works like the GPS though so no idea which is better.

The charged shot DPS is about the same as RF, but is hit by armor deduction less times per second (9 to 3). Generally it's better to charge, especially against armor. You can RF to finish stuff off though.

GPS charge is inefficient from a sustained DPS and ammo standpoint, but it does enough damage to one-shot enemies much of the time. I always run around with a charge on my GPS.

Nice to see Talon where it belongs Thanks for the results.

Modifié par Flambrose, 18 janvier 2013 - 12:26 .

[jaydubs67]

Flambrose wrote...

Canned Madness wrote...

Arc Pistol is weird. 1-shot non-charged, 2-shot partially-charged and 3-shot fully-charged.

I don't know if the charge works like the GPS though so no idea which is better.

The charged shot DPS is about the same as RF, but is hit by armor deduction less times per second (9 to 3). Generally it's better to charge, especially against armor. You can RF to finish stuff off though.

Plus many of us can't click nearly fast enough to hit the arc pistol's max RoF, just like the mattock/predator/raptor.  

[chcknwng]

Weep for Eagle... It's a decent Gold weapon on Tsol, but I would never ever bring it to Plat.

OP I applaude you for using so many consumables just to test weapons....

Modifié par wngmv, 18 janvier 2013 - 01:06 .

[Respctoidnation]

wngmv wrote...

Weep for Eagle... It's a decent Gold weapon on Tsol, but I would never ever bring it to Plat.

OP I applaude you for using so many consumables just to test weapons....

What consumables? Lol:whistle: just a few ops packs...

Modifié par NotsoCaesar, 18 janvier 2013 - 01:31 .

[Grinch57]

AaronEh wrote...

Grinch57 wrote...

Dat Talon and Dat Arc.

Too many folks don't value the Arc.

Lots of folks don't have the Talon at X.

Folks who don't have the Talon at X should rethink the Arc.

Yes, there is a learning curve, but it's not bad, you quickly get into the rhythm of charge and fire.

Thanks HCS, another great test. Look forward to seeing the results with the Talon and piercing.

No, Talon need piercing - it has 6 pellets.

??

I agree that the Talon should be used with the piercing mod, which is why I use piercing and HB on my Talon, it is a great boss killer and I love getting head shot medals with it.

I am glad HCS did the second test on the Talon so quickly, it shows what a beast the Talon is.  HCS and Cyonan are who I look to on BSN for objective information (Peddroelmz and Corlist are mostly retired from ME3 as far as I can tell).

My point was that as a UR, lots of folks don't have a Talon X, but have a rare Arc X.  Charged, the Arc is a beast and very accurate at medium and long ranges.  A really good option until someone gets their Talon unlocked and at a decent level.

Modifié par Grinch57, 18 janvier 2013 - 01:39 .

[HardcoreSalmon]

NotsoCaesar wrote...

wngmv wrote...

Weep for Eagle... It's a decent Gold weapon on Tsol, but I would never ever bring it to Plat.

OP I applaude you for using so many consumables just to test weapons....

What consumables? Lol:whistle: just a few ops packs...

About 400+ rockets lol