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[DarkSerpent1337]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I've played over 700 hours of Mass Effect multiplayer and have not heard or experienced anything racists, vulgar, sexist, or demeaning. 90% of the time, people don't even talk.

Alternatively, all of those have appeared on the BSN. I still recall the week where on a nightly basis, someone would come to the DA II threads and post images of humans defecating.

Your post is an excellent example of the pot calling the kettle black.

Remember the pic of a banana in somebody's butthole that got posted here and was large enough to take up half the page?

[DarkSerpent1337]

in other news, I support a BG2/NWN style drop in/drop out co-op. Building a full party of four people and adventuring around was fun back in the day and I don't understand why it ever went away.

[Fast Jimmy]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I've played over 700 hours of Mass Effect multiplayer and have not heard or experienced anything racists, vulgar, sexist, or demeaning. 90% of the time, people don't even talk.

Alternatively, all of those have appeared on the BSN. I still recall the week where on a nightly basis, someone would come to the DA II threads and post images of humans defecating.

Your post is an excellent example of the pot calling the kettle black.

I can click out the window to the BSN at any time and go and play games. If someone is insufferable or vulgar or annoying, I can just stop doing it and still enjoy gaming completely free of the BSN's influence. 

However, one cannot play MP in a game and not run the risk of people being juvenile, vulgar or a pain to be around. I'm glad your track record with ME3 has been good, but undoubtedly the risk is still there. Lack of manners and decency on MP is a widespread problem, occurring in much more than just Bioware's games.

And I would never, in a million years, call the BSN the pinnacle of online social interaction, either. So I don't see how I'm being any sort of cooking utensil, regardless of color. 

[AppealToReason]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I've played over 700 hours of Mass Effect multiplayer and have not heard or experienced anything racists, vulgar, sexist, or demeaning. 90% of the time, people don't even talk.

Alternatively, all of those have appeared on the BSN. I still recall the week where on a nightly basis, someone would come to the DA II threads and post images of humans defecating.

Your post is an excellent example of the pot calling the kettle black.

I can click out the window to the BSN at any time and go and play games. If someone is insufferable or vulgar or annoying, I can just stop doing it and still enjoy gaming completely free of the BSN's influence. 

However, one cannot play MP in a game and not run the risk of people being juvenile, vulgar or a pain to be around. I'm glad your track record with ME3 has been good, but undoubtedly the risk is still there. Lack of manners and decency on MP is a widespread problem, occurring in much more than just Bioware's games.

And I would never, in a million years, call the BSN the pinnacle of online social interaction, either. So I don't see how I'm being any sort of cooking utensil, regardless of color. 

I've played like 250hrs and only ran into 2 or 3 ****s. All the game is missing is a mute option. Solves all. If you're too lazy to use that and still complain then you're pretty damn useless.

The game is too complicated for a lot of the kids people seem to think overwhelm it. You have to rely on teammates to some extent, there are objectives, power customization, different kits, etc. You're Halo/CoD/BF nerd isn't going to waste his time on such things.

[RepHope]

Is the same studio handling SP and MP? I do think ME3 MP was tacked on and unneeded at first but Montreal has done an excellent job of making it if not great at least enjoyable. However I'm hoping for more than "Horde Mode", but as long as SP is still good I could care less about MP

[mopotter]

Faust1979 wrote...

Baldur's 2 and Neverwinter Nights both had multiplayer it's not like Mass Effect 3 was the first Bioware game to use it

As long as DA 3 has the multiplayer like these did I won't care.  I didn't even know they were there till years later.  They didn't do anything to my game and that's the way it should be.  I don't want a multiplayer that messes up any of the single player game, it would be something I would not be interested in.  

But that said, I'd really prefer that they use fundings towards the single player game instead of a multiplayer aspect.    

[XX-Pyro]

If it has a mute button people have almost no reason to complain about people being vulgar or obscene. Most online MP portions of games do sport a mute button, ME3's is apparently missing (second hand knowledge, haven't played.)

EDIT: Multiplayer is also often developed by separate teams that otherwise wouldn't be assigned to working on that particular game. Assassin's Creed (since Brotherhood) is an example of this, and an extremely successful one at that). All not having multiplayer does in most cases is just that- removes the multiplayer option. It adds nothing to the single player. Could be different for BioWare though.

Modifié par XX-Pyro, 22 janvier 2013 - 12:21 .

[AppealToReason]

XX-Pyro wrote...

If it has a mute button people have almost no reason to complain about people being vulgar or obscene. Most online MP portions of games do sport a mute button, ME3's is apparently missing (second hand knowledge, haven't played.)

EDIT: Multiplayer is also often developed by separate teams that otherwise wouldn't be assigned to working on that particular game. Assassin's Creed (since Brotherhood) is an example of this, and an extremely successful one at that). All not having multiplayer does in most cases is just that- removes the multiplayer option. It adds nothing to the single player. Could be different for BioWare though.

MP is a different development beast. Most MP games have dedicated MP teams and all they work on the balance and coding and design, etc. for MP alone.

If I remember correctly wasn't ME3's MP a late addition and pushed the game back to March so that Montreal could work on it long after Edmonton finished the SP campaign. 

I highly doubt the DA MP team and the DA SP team are even working out of the same building, let alone time zone. The only people probably working on both are the guys on the combat engine.

[Naitaka]

As long as EA owns Bioware, there won't be a game from them without MP. That said, I don't really see the problem as it doesn't get in the way of the single player *cough*ME3 EMS I'm looking at you*cough*

[Icesong]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I've played over 700 hours of Mass Effect multiplayer and have not heard or experienced anything racists, vulgar, sexist, or demeaning. 90% of the time, people don't even talk.

Does ME3's MP have text chat yet?

[13Dannyboy13]

I could care less about multiplayer in games like this for the most part. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against it, I just prefer the single player option. My big worry is that the main single player campaign may suffer as a result of resources that should've been used for it, instead being used to add multiplayer aspects to the game. This is really just a guessing game for now, since not much info is out about the multiplayer yet, I just hope that adding it doesn't take too much away from the main game in terms of resources, since it was already mentioned that things were being cut due to limits.

[Dasher1010]

DarkSerpent1337 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I've played over 700 hours of Mass Effect multiplayer and have not heard or experienced anything racists, vulgar, sexist, or demeaning. 90% of the time, people don't even talk.

Alternatively, all of those have appeared on the BSN. I still recall the week where on a nightly basis, someone would come to the DA II threads and post images of humans defecating.

Your post is an excellent example of the pot calling the kettle black.

Remember the pic of a banana in somebody's butthole that got posted here and was large enough to take up half the page?

Yes I do. Best picture ever.

[Farbautisonn]

I think DA3 needs more MP. And Streamlining. If we can get some speculation in there somewhere too, that will be awesome.

[Farbautisonn]

Jayne126 wrote...

^ What about awesome Buttons?

Only if they are day one DLC.

[Max Knight]

Ok people are pissed about the whole ME 3 and DA II....we get it we hot ig after the milion ****in time....,grated i am still kinda pissed about ME 3 but what the hell, so could we stay on topic forA)
and for I agree if the MP would be BG 2/NWN 2 style...thna i wouldnt mind it....much

[Merci357]

I've played about 200 hours ME3 MP, but you can add hundreds of hours I played MP modes of other games, mostly co-op like Payday, Far Cry 3, Left 4 Dead 2, but also games like Space Marine against other players, just to name some I played in recent times.

90% of the time nobody speaks, at all. Sometimes people don't have push to talk enabled, that does happen, so you might have to listen to some music or coughs; it does happen (might be a regional problem in Europe, though) that someone talks in a foreign language you don't understand. But that's it.

The cesspit people often decribe online MP to be is in my experience a rare exeption. For example, it never happened, not once, while playing ME3 MP.

That said, I think not all games need a MP mode, and Dragon Age is certainly one of those, but I would have said the same about Mass Effect and ended up enjoying it quite a lot. In general, playing together with human beings, preferable friends, is quite enjoyable - even with PUGs.

[Farbautisonn]

Max Knight wrote...
I agree if the MP would be BG 2/NWN 2 style...thna i wouldnt mind it....much

Id be for MP like that. However thats too "niche" to be commercially viable. It needs a "diablo esque" MP to be commercically viable as a selling point. So. It will . Twitchy fingers and instance pvp ahoy!

[Dr Mew]

Here's my two pence;

If there are only online components then I couldn't care less about them being in the game.

However, I draw the line at multiplayer purely because Multiplayer leads to the balance and balance leads to no more extremely powerful end game classes. (I like being the unstoppable Hero who can storm through swades of enemies with ease and barely break sweat.

[LinksOcarina]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I've played over 700 hours of Mass Effect multiplayer and have not heard or experienced anything racists, vulgar, sexist, or demeaning. 90% of the time, people don't even talk.

Alternatively, all of those have appeared on the BSN. I still recall the week where on a nightly basis, someone would come to the DA II threads and post images of humans defecating.

Your post is an excellent example of the pot calling the kettle black.

I can click out the window to the BSN at any time and go and play games. If someone is insufferable or vulgar or annoying, I can just stop doing it and still enjoy gaming completely free of the BSN's influence. 

However, one cannot play MP in a game and not run the risk of people being juvenile, vulgar or a pain to be around. I'm glad your track record with ME3 has been good, but undoubtedly the risk is still there. Lack of manners and decency on MP is a widespread problem, occurring in much more than just Bioware's games.

And I would never, in a million years, call the BSN the pinnacle of online social interaction, either. So I don't see how I'm being any sort of cooking utensil, regardless of color. 

I think the reason for no one being vulgar online for Mass Effect 3 is because they are actually working together. I have seen groups that never talk but are backing up characters as much as possible, while you see others coordinating attacks on higher difficulties to take down massive threats.

The lack of smack talk is a breath of fresh air honestly. The only time I have heard anything negative was when one group chastized me because of my selection of choice, weapons and powers. It was no big deal as I pretty much sniped a ton of characters in the mix anyway, so they quickly dropped it and continued playing.

I would think such a multiplayer experience can be emulated for Dragon Age III, although I would expect a lot of grognards coming in and saying our character builds are not optimized, like the Mass Effect example. Things like that are the only reason for smack talking, unless if you have someone really unstable whose upset about kill-stealing in a game all about survival...

[Vrin]

I was not a fan of ME3 MP for months. I am "old" and normally got killed whenever I tried other game multiplayer to the point of not bothering playing. I got hooked on ME3 MP and play now very regularly.

Before I played the ME3 MP, I didn't hate the fact that Bioware created it. I didn't use it. That fact didn't change anyone's experience at all. I was happy. People who played MP were happy etc...

I'll *NEVER* understand people who say "I'll never play DA3 MP and they should never include it"! No one's forcing you to play it. Other people like it. If it's there and you choose not to play it, why should you care at all?

[Iakus]

Vrin wrote...

I was not a fan of ME3 MP for months. I am "old" and normally got killed whenever I tried other game multiplayer to the point of not bothering playing. I got hooked on ME3 MP and play now very regularly.

Before I played the ME3 MP, I didn't hate the fact that Bioware created it. I didn't use it. That fact didn't change anyone's experience at all. I was happy. People who played MP were happy etc...

I'll *NEVER* understand people who say "I'll never play DA3 MP and they should never include it"! No one's forcing you to play it. Other people like it. If it's there and you choose not to play it, why should you care at all?

Becuase MP almost always affects single player.  EIther in  shorter game, balance issues, MP being required to complete single player.  Something invariably seems to have to be taken away from SP to make MP viable.

Always? No, not necessailly, the BG games are one such exception.  But it's rare enough that MP of any kind in DA3 will put me off from buying it.

[Addai]

aang001 wrote...

I still dont get the irrational response from people who wander about MP. Why question a mode? Why are you complaining about having more features? Why complain over a feature that brings fans of the series together to enjoy a series they love? Its a mode you are not forced to place if you choose not to. MP expands the life of a game, keeps up it value, brings in revenue for the game after its release, adds value to the game, money from the MP can bring more money to expansions in SP and MP, DLC, etc and not everyone lives under a rock and hates interaction with other humans.

I like discussing games that I like (obviously), but when I sit down to play, it's my time.  I don't want anyone else limiting or hampering my precious gaming time.  Don't want to wait for matches, or feel like I can't quit exactly when I want to.  So yep.  I'm against human interaction in games.  Very much against it.

I wouldn't care about an MP system at all if we could really trust that it is being so well implemented and is honestly separate from the SP campaign, IOW if I never had to hear about it, see ads for it, or know it existed.  But ME3 didn't bear that trust out, did it?  And EA's moustache twirling about monetization lends them no trust points, rather the opposite.  Even with separate budgets and development teams, that is still resources down the drain as far as I'm concerned.  How much better would DA2 have been if Bioware hadn't put money into the stupid Facebook game, for instance?  Even if the drag was minimal, it still is useless spending as far as I'm concerned.

Modifié par Addai67, 22 janvier 2013 - 05:23 .

[Costin_Razvan]

But ME3 didn't bear that trust out, did it?

Actually it did. Not having a 10 second breath scene in the destroy ending because you didn't play MP to get the required EMS is hardly worth nothing and yes that was the ONLY thing that mattered there.

Sure MP could help with the SP meaning you didn't have to get as many actions in the story, but it was hardly required.

[Dave of Canada]

I still don't understand how people can claim they've spent hundreds of dollars / hours into ME3's horde mode.