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[Borschtbeet]

of an impact on the game's plot?

[AntiChri5]

Morrigan.

[AntiChri5]

But Leliana's ****** are way bigger.

[Herr Uhl]

Wynne. That magical bosom is really something.

[TSamee]

Genius title XD.



And it would be really, really disturbing to get into a relationship with Wynne... she pisses me off more than Leliana and Morrigan combined. And Isolde too.

[InvaderErl]

Nicely done.

[RedRobinRobber]

definitely morrigan.



if it was bosom.... leliana

[Gerrawn]

Plotwise? Morrigan.

But if we're talking bosoms, I'm leaning towards saying Morrigan but I will have to do some research.
For SCIENCE.

[Stabbath123]

hmm, I thought they had the same figure, just different face.

[JRCHOharry]

Morrigans hands are way bigger than Lelianas...



Ohhhhh, i didn't read the OP.

[Atreiden]

Morrigan, you could completely remove Lelianne and it would have no impact on the main story (like most the npc's) while Morrigan either play a minor or major part depending on your choices of course.



as a sidenote to the wynne comment, I wish Wynne was romanceble, for an elder character she would make more sence, unless of course that character where into much younger ladies (or Wynne prefered younger men).



I am most like a minority here, but I prefer Wynne to Morrigan any day. Morrigan seems to aim for the teens more then anything.

[Creature 1]

Atreiden wrote...
Morrigan seems to aim for the teens more then anything.

Morrigan:  emotionally dysfunctional sociopath.
Teens:  emotionally dysfunctional sociopaths. 

I think you're onto something! 

[TSamee]

Don't get me wrong, Wynne can be pretty cool, but I find her rigid morals and occasional obstinacy, all hidden behind a facade of impenetrable "wisdom", to be annoying. She's a great healer, and I do trust her a damn sight more than Morrigan (though I love Morrigan more as a character), but losing buckets of approval the second you make an opportunist decision (i.e: working for Bhelen, anything to do with Blood Magic) is not particularly fun. She can be rather ****y when you do anything she doesn't like, and, in a sense, pressures the Warden to do what she wants more than Morrigan does. Morrigan lets you make your own decisions, however foolish she thinks they are, and she speaks her mind about them. Wynne looks at you in disgust, and actually get pissed off.



And, to be honest, I've been in situations where I could have made both good and bad decisions, and I tried both possibilities with Morrigan and Wynne in my party. Picking the "good" choice made Wynne happy, made me lose a max of 5 approval with Morrigan (normally non, thanks to persuade). Morrigan was typically indifferent to or liked the "bad" choices, and Wynne's approval always plummeted (particularly if it involves Blood Magic), losing as much as 10 points at a time.

[Atreiden]

I think I lost more influence with Morrigan from doing altruristic actions, then I did from Wynne from doing some opportunistic actions. And yes of course Wynne disaprove of bloodmagic, its the forbidden school. You are normally killed for using it no matter what.

[TSamee]

Hmm... Considering that the repeated saving of her arse, plus those of her precious ten-year-old acolytes (who are, admittedly, pretty cool), and the entire Circle of Magi constantly involved the use of blood magic on my group's part, I find it annoying that she then nags me about it and hates me. This was a sort of spin-off second PC who I made to see what being a Blood Mage was like. Great powers, but people's reactions aren't worth it.

You're right about Morrigan being sort-of aimed at teens, but I'd rather have someone whose views I could try and change than a person who's set in their views and thus obstinately refuses to see the other side of the spectrum. Blood Magic isn't evil, but it's easy for evil people to misuse it.

EDIT: By the way, I honestly believe that Morrigan can change a little bit if the PC tries to make her see the other side of things. For example, early on, in Lothering, she frequently disapproved of everything I did that was altruistic/generous/generally "good". However, later on, in Orzammar and the Brecilian Forest, nothing seemed to happen when I made altruistic decisions.

(e.g: I removed the curse from the werewolves, thus allowing the Dalish, who were weak, to survive. I expected Morrigan to go nuts at me trying to help the weak, but she didn't. The only time I lost approval with her after she supposedly fell in love with my PC was when I tried to explain to Gheyna in the Dalish camp that Cammen loved her, and sort of set those two up. I suspect it was because Morrigan was unsure about love at the time, and I'd helped Cammen, who was a weak hunter because he was in love.)

Modifié par TSamee, 08 janvier 2010 - 03:08 .

[Atreiden]

no bloodmagic is not evil, as long as you learn it from another human and only use your own blood. But in the game you learn it from a demon by selling a childs soul and how many bloodmages in the history of DA have limited themself to using only their own blood?.

So while bloodmagic in it self is not evil, the way it is optained and most often used is evil enough to forbid it totally.

Which is the reason for why every lawabiding and good aligned npc should shun you for using it.

[Herr Uhl]

Atreiden wrote...

no bloodmagic is not evil, as long as you learn it from another human and only use your own blood. But in the game you learn it from a demon by selling a childs soul...

Well, you can get it without offering Connors soul if you are sufficiently intimidating I think

[TSamee]

true, that. And all of my characters are silver-tongued bastards, so I managed to make the nasty desire demon brown its non-existant pants

To be honest, you are right about Blood Magic in that sense, but it is essentially the art of manipulation. Oh, and before I started drowning in lyrium potions, draining my own blood instead of mana to power AoE nukes was a pretty useful fight-finisher. Still, you are right.

I truly understand Wynne's hate of Blood Magic, but I find her inability to accept new ideas annoying. Blood Magic, not so much. It's more that, for example, she had a fit when I sided with Bhelen in Orzammar. Nobody, not even Alistair, objected to the decision, but she had a huge problem with it. Granted, Bhelen is a complete and utterly unscrupulous, angry and downright evil sod. But, if you choose Harrowmont, he becomes the most traditional king for generations, detaches Orzammar from the surface even further, and makes the Caste system more rigid. Bhelen, on the other hand, increases surface trade, and tries to give the Casteless some opportunities.

If Wynne had any semblance of a heart, seeing the dwarf woman hanging around in Dust Town, her kneecaps permanently destroyed by the city guard, she would have considered the repercussions of Harrowmont's rule and his rigid Caste system. Harrowmont represented tradition, conservatism and "evil" ends (like the dwarf woman's knee-caps and the guard's disregard for the Casteless) through traditional, and generally just, means. Bhelen represented liberalism, fresh ideas and strong leadership, but balls-out didn't care about the means to achieve his (admittedly quite admirable) ends. Bhelen is a tyrant, but, you could argue, so was Mao. Both had strong views, both worked hard to put them forward through any means necessary. Mao helped make China what it is today, so I hope Bhelen makes Orzammar something better as well.

Modifié par TSamee, 08 janvier 2010 - 03:34 .

[AntiChri5]

TSamee wrote...

true, that. And all of my characters are silver-tongues bastards, so I managed to make the nasty desire demon brown its non-existant pants

Wow i just love that quote!

[TSamee]

grazi

[Cybercat999]

Leli ftw. Morrigan ftw too.

I refuse to choose, I am gonna keep them both.

[Shadow Raziel]

Morrigan. I have had both.. XD

[KilrB]

Borschtbeet wrote...

Between Lelianna and Morrigan, who do you think has bigger...

Ego?

Morrigan ... definitely Morrigan.

[saori_shinjiro]

I thought the title would refer to who has bigger lips actually, but I guess I wasn't that far off



Wynne has magical bosoms so I give plot impact to her.

[BroBear Berbil]

Morrigan has her own storyline that can easily carry over into an xpac or sequel. Leliana does not. Therefore, Morrigan has a bigger impact on the story.