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[Ticonderoga117]

Wayning_Star wrote...
Yeah, that's what THEY thought..about the intelligence. I wonder if they learned from their example?

how many of those indoctro-globes are out and about in the MEU, how many thralls? Oh, wait, thralls is what were used to set the Leviathan up for harvest.. go figure.

No, they didn't. They still think the Glow Boy is doing a good job. Yet they are trying to help us kill it. ARGH! This is why I hate the Leviathan DLC. It's stupid tryign to explain stupid.

[Wayning_Star]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...
Yeah, that's what THEY thought..about the intelligence. I wonder if they learned from their example?

how many of those indoctro-globes are out and about in the MEU, how many thralls? Oh, wait, thralls is what were used to set the Leviathan up for harvest.. go figure.

No, they didn't. They still think the Glow Boy is doing a good job. Yet they are trying to help us kill it. ARGH! This is why I hate the Leviathan DLC. It's stupid tryign to explain stupid.

because it is. They are trying to get you to destroy it, utterly. Why would such beings do that?

(keyword: apex)

[Dragoonlordz]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...
lol.

In what world is total genocide of species "not a problem" - ?

And, it is *plenty* different than two organics going to war. The geth eliminated a population of billions into 17 million. That is unprecendeted violence and bloodshed. Only exception is the rachni wars, but at least that is understandable since the rachni were all hostile and have no civilians.

So why doesn't the Catalyst talk about it like that? It's the same thing. No, it's cool if organics do it to organics, but when a single robot gets' involved, HOLY ****! STOP THE PRESSES AND SEND IN THE GIANT SQUIDS!

Why didn't the Catalyst stop to help the Rachni. They're an organic species that deserve to live as much as any one of us. Hell, the Reapers used them to try to get into the Citadel! I thought the Reapers were big on preservation? What the hell? Oh... right. The Reapers turn into something mutated and stupid in ME3.

The organics are the cause of all conflicts in the galaxy why would it stop to help in the Rachni? It exists to stop the "conflict" not save all the organics. The conflict is created by the organics therefore one could justify synthesis as a potential solution, control is merely handing the reigns over to Shepard to control the amount of conflict the organics create with ysnthetics in essence letting him see if he can do any better or what it does currently it's solution being culling of organics to lower the "quanitity" of conflict they create in the future in which every cycle they create yet more synthetics and then begin to cause conflict with them. 

It's solution does not work only because even after culling the organics then develop and evolved then create more synthetics which would not be an issue if it wasn't proven in every single cycle they procede to create conflict with them. It's designed to find a solution to the "conflicts" not save all organics or save all synthetics. Keyword being conflict. The result of those conlficts do not matter to it's programming. That was the flaw in it's programming which Leviathans made mistake in doing so and why it is willing to kill them or use them, it's core goal was to stop conflict not save their lives.  A conflict is a conflict regardless of outcome.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 18 janvier 2013 - 08:45 .

[fr33stylez]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

cyrslash1974 wrote...

The catalyst explains to Shepard that his solutions are now false but still considers that his logic is definitively right. There is always war between synthetics and organics... even if Shepard could explain to him that the war could be avoided in the future and that peace is possible (depending of his decisions through the 3 games).

Rannoch peace doesn't work (to prove his solution wrong) because war could still break out at any time in the future.

The only thing that *can* prove him wrong is if organics face the worst-case-scenario threat, and eradicate it entirely.

And according to the Catalyst, war will break out eventually even after Destroy... so I'm unsure why you think rannoch doesn't prove him wrong but Destroy does.

[Maxster_]

Wayning_Star wrote...

More funny, that organics destroying organics is no problem, when synthetics almost destroyng organics suddenly is.
Krogans, who destroyed rachni, and bombed turian worlds with asteroids is no problem at all. Part of geth, manipulated by the reapers is. Or geth in general, when they almost destroyed quarians.

Truth is, reapers are the problem they pretend they fix.

the reapers are the means to the problems created by the intelligence who thinks that the catalyst can fix with the reaperships. Use chaos to fight chaos. Simple really.

Erm.. Dafuq was that?

[Ticonderoga117]

Wayning_Star wrote...

because it is. They are trying to get you to destroy it, utterly. Why would such beings do that?

(keyword: apex)

So they want me to destroy a tool that is still useful to them? That's nonsensical.

Either they want to be the #1 species around and admit the Catalyst was a bad idea.
OR
They can agree that he's doing a good job and not wish for me to stop him.
OR
They want my help to reprogram him because while useful, he knocked them down several hundred pegs.

[Maxster_]

fr33stylez wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

cyrslash1974 wrote...

The catalyst explains to Shepard that his solutions are now false but still considers that his logic is definitively right. There is always war between synthetics and organics... even if Shepard could explain to him that the war could be avoided in the future and that peace is possible (depending of his decisions through the 3 games).

Rannoch peace doesn't work (to prove his solution wrong) because war could still break out at any time in the future.

The only thing that *can* prove him wrong is if organics face the worst-case-scenario threat, and eradicate it entirely.

And according to the Catalyst, war will break out eventually even after Destroy... so I'm unsure why you think rannoch doesn't prove him wrong but Destroy does.

More funny is - if synthesis is inevitable, why Catalyst even doing something?

[The Night Mammoth]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The logic I would of used behind the Reapers should of been culling of organics for the simple reason organics are the problem in all cycles. As I said before "Organics are the biggest threat in the galaxy not Reapers and not synthetics. Organics created Catalyst, organics created Geth. Organics are the root of all of the problems". All Reapers do is cull the organic population and have it reset to zero to make it thousands of years before organics create yet another synthetic race then procede in creating yet another conflict with it.

Conflict doesn't matter unless there's a specific result. 

That's a load of nonsense. Your going to have to do a lot better than that sentence to explain any reasonable logic that may exist to back up such a comment.

The Catalyst aims to preserve all organic life, saving it from genocidal synthetics. 

So a simple conflict between one organic species and a synthetic one doesn't matter unless the organics are destroyed, in which case the synthetics have just killed an species of organic and there's nothing to 'preserve', and are killing organic life, and so support its argument. 

The war between the geth and the quarians doesn't matter because the quarians are deliberately saved by the geth, and they aren't destroyed. 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

cyrslash1974 wrote...

Rannoch is not the sole example. The end of a borning conflict Legion-Tali in ME2 (using conciliation with Legion - which is a platform representing hundred of geths, showing that we can discuss with synthetics),

Not much of an example.

Some quarians and geth got along fine before the Morning War.

The Morning War still happened, though.

as well as EDI-Joker love story

Individuals. Not entire species.

If looked at strictly through a "created v. creator" outlook, you could make a case that it did happen with EDI.

Cerberus is all but eradicated by the end of the game, due in no small part to her.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 18 janvier 2013 - 08:45 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
The organics are the cause of all conflicts in the galaxy why would it stop to help in the Rachni? It exists to stop the "conflict" not save all the organics. The conflict is created by the organics therefore one could justify synthesis as a potential solution, control is merely handing the reigns over to Shepard to control the amount of conflict the organics create with ysnthetics in essence letting him see if he can do any better or what it does currently it's solution being culling of organics to lower the "quanitity" of conflict they create in the future in which every cycle they create yet more synthetics and then begin to cause conflict with them.  It's solution does not work only because even after culling the organics then develop and evolved then create more synthetics which would not be an issue if it wasn't proven in every single cycle they procede to create conflict with them.

So that conflict that almost elminated an enitre species is ok, but suddenly some robots step in and now it's a problem?

That's some pretty shoddy work, especially when evidence points to the Reapers as starting that conflict!

"Hey guys! I'm trying to preserve life here, so what I'm going to do is get these sapient space bugs to attack the Citadel! When they almost die out, I'm not going to give a single care in the world."

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

No, it's cool if organics do it to organics, but when a single robot gets' involved, HOLY ****! STOP THE PRESSES AND SEND IN THE GIANT SQUIDS!

I never said that. Let's not use strawmen.

No, it's not okay for organics to do it to organics, but when has that actually happened in ME? Just once (Rachni Wars) and it was all but justified.

Why didn't the Catalyst stop to help the Rachni. They're an organic species that deserve to live as much as any one of us. Hell, the Reapers used them to try to get into the Citadel! I thought the Reapers were big on preservation? What the hell? Oh... right. The Reapers turn into something mutated and stupid in ME3.

Or, they may have been a proxy similar to the Collectors.

There's some speculation they may have been Leviathan-controlled as well.

[Dragoonlordz]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The logic I would of used behind the Reapers should of been culling of organics for the simple reason organics are the problem in all cycles. As I said before "Organics are the biggest threat in the galaxy not Reapers and not synthetics. Organics created Catalyst, organics created Geth. Organics are the root of all of the problems". All Reapers do is cull the organic population and have it reset to zero to make it thousands of years before organics create yet another synthetic race then procede in creating yet another conflict with it.

Conflict doesn't matter unless there's a specific result. 

That's a load of nonsense. Your going to have to do a lot better than that sentence to explain any reasonable logic that may exist to back up such a comment.

The Catalyst aims to preserve all organic life, saving it from genocidal synthetics. 

So a simple conflict between one organic species and a synthetic one doesn't matter unless the organics are destroyed, in which case the synthetics have just killed an species of organic and there's nothing to 'preserve', and are killing organic life, and so support its argument. 

The war between the geth and the quarians doesn't matter because the quarians are deliberately saved by the geth, and they aren't destroyed. 

At no point do I recall it saying it's primary function is to save all organic life. It tells you it's primary function is to prevent the conflict between organics and synthetics, the fact every cycle organics create synthetic life and then procede to have conflicts with them.

[3DandBeyond]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

  Okay, so a lot of people are irked over the fact that the catalyst doesn't just pack it in after admitting his solution is broken.

Here's the thing... the harvest only becomes "obsolete" if this cycle proves they can unilaterally destroy or repurpose a true-AI race (the Reapers) they have come into conflict with, or choose synthesis and thereby eliminate the problem. In doing so, we prove we won't *always* be wiped out by synthetic opponents, and need not be preserved in Reaper form.

Not said at all by the catalyst.  He says his solution no longer works.  He doesn't say it will keep working until I find a new one.  He says he has new solutions or needs a new one and then he has 3.  He does not say his solution (the reapers) are obsolete.  He says his solution no longer works.  He tends to always speak in absolutes.  He's a supposed logic device so he would use absolutes.  Always, inevitable, no longer.  He doesn't care for us to prove that "we won't always be wiped out by synthetics", he doesn't even care if any organics are wiped out by synthetics.  He believes that synthetics will inevitably kill ALL organics.  Again, absolutes.  So, as a logic device, a solution that no longer works would be like him trying to continually add 1 + 1 to get 3.  It can't happen, so he would not do it.  A solution that does not solve his problem, could not and would not be used by him.  It's absolute.

HYR 2.0 wrote...
If Shepard decides not to use the Crucible, it necessitates the need for the harvest all over again. We fail to prove an exception to the organic races the catalyst observed during Leviathan era, but rather, we reinforce the notion that we are incapable of saving ourselves. In this case, it is a display of mental incapability, as the only organic who was physically capable enough to get far enough to make any solution take place is unable to overcome emotional issues causing inaction.

Nope.  A non-working solution is no longer a solution.  I'm organic and am supposedly less logical than he is and I don't see things in absolutes of off and on, yes and no, 0 and 1.  And yet, I know that if I keep doing the same thing over and over again and expect a different result, that is futile.  He would never keep harvesting if that is true.  At the moment he discovers the solution no longer works, he'd stop doing it.  Again, he does not care about advanced organics any more than the less advanced.  He doesn't even care about organics at all.  He is tasked with keeping synthetics from killing all organics.  He isn't tasked with keeping organics from killing each other.  And he doesn't care if synthetics smash rocks.  He specifically needs to keep synthetics from killing all organics.  He must do this by finding balance, peace, and establishing a connection.  But, if something does not work, he won't do it.

HYR 2.0 wrote...
It's a classic case of machine-logic, and it even exists in real life. Example: a pro football team kicking an extra-point kick, after the clock has expired, and team already has enough points to win. It would seem to be a meaningless practice, and it is, but it is necessary for statistical reasons -- everything from black-box simulators to Vegas gambling.

Yes, it is machine logic.  That football team is composed of real people who are following logic.  They go for the point because they can and because there is some sort of thing that does matter.  Using a non-working solution to solve a problem is not something that makes sense.  Consider that football team and say that every time they try to kick for the extra point they use the worst place kicker they can find, and he always misses.  By your logic, they should just keep using him, because at least he's kicking the ball.

HYR 2.0 wrote...

The catalyst won't surrender, because to him, there's no concept of war to begin with. It's not about saving his troops (if he even sees the Reapers as "troops" at all). There is only his solution, the conflict that arises from it with organics, and the new variables introduced by the Crucible. It's the reason why he reveals Destroy and Control options as available to you, though he doesn't much support either of them.

And yet, the kid does understand concepts and does also understand he's creating conflict (which he wants to stop supposedly) and war (when he's tasked with achieving peace).  You can't tell a machine that the color green is green and that blue is blue and then demand that the machine always pick blue when you ask for green.  The kid is told to achieve peace and in so doing he creates the opposite of it.  If he understands what peace is, we are supposed to expect he does not understand what war is. 

So even by your own admission he's creating conflict, right?  Funny that a synthetic that is tasked with saving organic life and stopping conflict between synthetics and organics (specifically with organics as the victims), is using synthetics to create conflict that is taking organic life, killing organics.  Again, if he understands what saving organic life means, he understands what taking organic life means.  And he does, he admits he destroyed his creators.  So, he did everything he was supposed to keep from happening.  And he keeps doing this same thing over and over again, even though his solution no longer works.  It isn't broken, it's smashed to pieces and can't be put back together again, but he's still using it.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 18 janvier 2013 - 08:49 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
The organics are the cause of all conflicts in the galaxy why would it stop to help in the Rachni? It exists to stop the "conflict" not save all the organics. The conflict is created by the organics therefore one could justify synthesis as a potential solution, control is merely handing the reigns over to Shepard to control the amount of conflict the organics create with ysnthetics in essence letting him see if he can do any better or what it does currently it's solution being culling of organics to lower the "quanitity" of conflict they create in the future in which every cycle they create yet more synthetics and then begin to cause conflict with them.  It's solution does not work only because even after culling the organics then develop and evolved then create more synthetics which would not be an issue if it wasn't proven in every single cycle they procede to create conflict with them.

So that conflict that almost elminated an enitre species is ok, but suddenly some robots step in and now it's a problem?

That's some pretty shoddy work, especially when evidence points to the Reapers as starting that conflict!

"Hey guys! I'm trying to preserve life here, so what I'm going to do is get these sapient space bugs to attack the Citadel! When they almost die out, I'm not going to give a single care in the world."

They were in the process of preparing to reset the galaxy back to zero. The Rachni were used as tools in that preparation. It had already been decided to repeat the cycle because yet again the organics had already created the conflicts it has been trying to prevent when reset that galaxy each cycle. This galaxy had already failed the test when the Quarians created the Geth only to then start a synthetic organic conflict once more and it (cataylst) was beginning to start a reset. The result of that conflict does not make any difference, it was designed to stop conflicts from occuring, if it already occured (aka Geth and Quarians) then by its logic the cycle already failed and required a reset to try again.

Seriously it's not that hard a concept to grasp. If know anything about programming then you know a program is created with variables and parameters. Command line instructions such as (if) x happens (else) do y. If x was conflict between organics and synthetics, then y start a galaxy reset. The problem and flaw the Leviathans forgot about due to overconfidence is they potentially never added the variable z (different action taken based on result of aforementioned conflict). Therefore it becomes a simple test of if a cycle develops synthetics and then creates conflict with them it automatically procedes with a culling and try again aka galaxy reset.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 18 janvier 2013 - 09:09 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

fr33stylez wrote...

And according to the Catalyst, war will break out eventually even after Destroy... so I'm unsure why you think rannoch doesn't prove him wrong but Destroy does.

The catalyst thought that if organic-synthetic conflict breaks out, the organic side is doomed to extinction at the hands of the conflict. Destroy proves that that's no longer a guarantee. Therefore, the catalyst no longer needs to preserve organics.

[cyrslash1974]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

The Catalyst aims to preserve all organic life, saving it from genocidal synthetics. 

I don't think that tranforming Humans as zombis or Turians as marauders is the good way to preserve organic life.

[Wayning_Star]

Isn't it strange that everything in the MEU is about failure?

[The Night Mammoth]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The logic I would of used behind the Reapers should of been culling of organics for the simple reason organics are the problem in all cycles. As I said before "Organics are the biggest threat in the galaxy not Reapers and not synthetics. Organics created Catalyst, organics created Geth. Organics are the root of all of the problems". All Reapers do is cull the organic population and have it reset to zero to make it thousands of years before organics create yet another synthetic race then procede in creating yet another conflict with it.

Conflict doesn't matter unless there's a specific result. 

That's a load of nonsense. Your going to have to do a lot better than that sentence to explain any reasonable logic that may exist to back up such a comment.

The Catalyst aims to preserve all organic life, saving it from genocidal synthetics. 

So a simple conflict between one organic species and a synthetic one doesn't matter unless the organics are destroyed, in which case the synthetics have just killed an species of organic and there's nothing to 'preserve', and are killing organic life, and so support its argument. 

The war between the geth and the quarians doesn't matter because the quarians are deliberately saved by the geth, and they aren't destroyed. 

At no point do I recall it saying it's primary function is to save all organic life.

Preserve, not save, and yes, that is its purpose, stated by it and the Leviathans. It does so by harvesting advanced civilizations before they can create synthetics which, apparently, will inevitably rebel and attempt to wipe out all organic life. 

"Without us (the Reapers) synthetics would destroy all organics. We've created the cycle so that never happens. That's the solution."

It tells you it's primary function is to prevent the conflict between organics and synthetics, the fact every cycle organics create synthetic life and then procede to have conflicts with them.

And you can't see how that would make even less sense given the events of the story preceeding? 

If its primary fuction is to prevent conflict then it's a monumental failure, because not only does it fail to prevent independant conflicts, the geth and the quarians, and the Metacon War in the previous cycle, it also instigates them, indirectly, by controlling the zha'til and the geth, influencing the geth earlier on, and aiding the machines of the Metacon war, and directly, by being a machine who repeatedly attacks organics is destructive galaxy-wide wars. 

On top of that, it makes no sense to even try because, aside from being insanely destructive, there's no reason why synthetic and organic conflicts take precedent over any other, and require special attention to be stopped. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 18 janvier 2013 - 09:12 .

[The Night Mammoth]

cyrslash1974 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

The Catalyst aims to preserve all organic life, saving it from genocidal synthetics. 

I don't think that tranforming Humans as zombis or Turians as marauders is the good way to preserve organic life.

It's not preserving organics by huskying them, it's preserving them by melting them down, painfully and against their will in an extremely distressing situation, into goo to be used as the raw materials to make the Reapers themselves. 

I don't think anything of worth is preserved this way either, it's something only a machine, devoid of empathy for an individual, or even a species, would believe is right. 

[Sejborg]

The harvest as a solution isn't broken. It just isn't the best anymore.

[johnj1979]

ALL of the ending are pretty much pointless.

A choice of genocide of all or just syntheics, or slavery, or impose a new way of life on everyone, s is shepard now a Reaper.

If Leviathan can control Reapers what is the need of the Catalyst

Mass Effect 3 is just a copy and paste of Mass Effect 1

[Ticonderoga117]

HYR 2.0 wrote...
I never said that. Let's not use strawmen.

No, it's not okay for organics to do it to organics, but when has that actually happened in ME? Just once (Rachni Wars) and it was all but justified.

So... it's not ok for organics to do it to organics... except when you say so.

And let's not forget the Krogan!

Or, they may have been a proxy similar to the Collectors.

So if the purpose of the Reapers is to preserve life, why are they threatening to lose an entire species?!

[cyrslash1974]

But imo ME1 was better (the best).

[Ticonderoga117]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
They were in the process of preparing to reset the galaxy back to zero. The Rachni were used as tools in that preparation. It had already been decided to repeat the cycle because yet again the organics had already created the conflicts it has been trying to prevent when reset that galaxy each cycle. This galaxy had already failed the test when the Quarians created the Geth only to then start a synthetic organic conflict once more and it (cataylst) was beginning to start a reset. The result of that conflict does not make any difference, it was designed to stop conflicts from occuring, if it already occured (aka Geth and Quarians) then by its logic the cycle already failed and required a reset to try again.

Seriously it's not that hard a concept to grasp. If know anything about programming then you know a program is created with variables and parameters. Command line instructions such as (if) x happens (else) do y. If x was conflict between organics and synthetics, then y start a galaxy reset. The problem and flaw the Leviathans forgot about due to overconfidence is they potentially never added the variable z (different action taken based on result of aforementioned conflict). Therefore it becomes a simple test of if a cycle develops synthetics and then creates conflict with them it automatically procedes with a culling and try again aka galaxy reset.

So wait, let's break this down.

Goal: Stop conflicts.

Right?

Ok. So why doesn't it DO ANYTHING to stop the conflict?

That's like me saying: "Ok, I'm going to stop fires from burning down my home"
Except I leave candles burning during the night, overload electrical sockets, and then when something catches fire, say "to hell with it" and let the fire rise.

Does that make any sense what so ever, especially when I'm able to wield a device that will stop the fire cold the moment it pops up? Hell no.

And what's the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different outcome? Yeah, the kid is bat **** insane.

Modifié par Ticonderoga117, 18 janvier 2013 - 09:21 .

[3DandBeyond]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
The organics are the cause of all conflicts in the galaxy why would it stop to help in the Rachni? It exists to stop the "conflict" not save all the organics. The conflict is created by the organics therefore one could justify synthesis as a potential solution, control is merely handing the reigns over to Shepard to control the amount of conflict the organics create with ysnthetics in essence letting him see if he can do any better or what it does currently it's solution being culling of organics to lower the "quanitity" of conflict they create in the future in which every cycle they create yet more synthetics and then begin to cause conflict with them.  It's solution does not work only because even after culling the organics then develop and evolved then create more synthetics which would not be an issue if it wasn't proven in every single cycle they procede to create conflict with them.

So that conflict that almost elminated an enitre species is ok, but suddenly some robots step in and now it's a problem?

That's some pretty shoddy work, especially when evidence points to the Reapers as starting that conflict!

"Hey guys! I'm trying to preserve life here, so what I'm going to do is get these sapient space bugs to attack the Citadel! When they almost die out, I'm not going to give a single care in the world."

They were in the process of preparing to reset the galaxy back to zero. The Rachni were used as tools in that preparation. It had already been decided to repeat the cycle because yet again the organics had already created the conflicts it has been trying to prevent when reset that galaxy each cycle. This galaxy had already failed the test when the Quarians created the Geth only to then start a synthetic organic conflict once more and it (cataylst) was beginning to start a reset. The result of that conflict does not make any difference, it was designed to stop conflicts from occuring, if it already occured (aka Geth and Quarians) then by its logic the cycle already failed and required a reset to try again.

The fundamental flaw here is that you are placing blame on organics for creating the conflict by creating killer synthetics and that's not ever what the kid says.  He is rather more emphatic that synthetics are killing their creators - they rebel, they kill.  It all comes back to the original problem in that Leviathan could not control their enthralled races very well and so they created a synthetic thing they couldn't control either.  Kinda makes you feel all warm and fuzzy about control, since it works sooooo welll.

And the last bolded part is really funny since nowhere does the kid even see that any sort of thing has occurred.  You have no context in which to believe that at all since the very things that might refute his "logic" you are now head canoning to prove his "logic".

In fact, he keeps creating exactly the problem he's supposed to solve so now he's going to observe it all and conclude that organics have once again already created the problem that he keeps creating?  Oh, let alone the fact that the geth did not rebel against their creators.  They evolved.  They didn't even say they wouldn't still choose to serve-the quarians rebelled against the created because they were afraid.

And it isn't all about what the catalyst would always think or say.  It's about also what would be relevant to Shepard.  The geth and quarian issue would be relevant and would tell Shepard that the kid's logic is a mess. 

Again, if the cycle had "failed" and it's solution no longer works, it would not use a non-working solution, because it is no longer a solution.  It makes no sense for him to use what does not achieve his goal.  But, it's funny really.  None of this matters because you don't have a problem with people doing things that don't achieve the goal, logical or otherwise.