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[Elanareon]

 Is Fiona Alistair's real mother??? Upon reading The Calling there could be no other!!!

[Freckles04]

Nothing has been confirmed, but my interpretation of The Calling and the game says that yes, this is true. I really would like Alistair to discover that in an upcoming expansion/sequel/dlc/book...

Modifié par Freckles04, 08 janvier 2010 - 02:46 .

[AntiChri5]

That is also my interpretation.



Best thing is she is likely still alive.

[Freckles04]

AntiChri5 wrote...

That is also my interpretation.

Best thing is she is likely still alive.

Exactly. For the man who so desperately wants a family, this would be HUGE.

Also, by the end of The Calling, we can assume that Fiona no longer has the taint or, if she does, she won't be affected by the Wardens' Calling. That opens up significant possibilities for Alistair's future, particularly if he's king. Maybe there's a way for him not to die, after all. Maybe there's a way for him to have an heir, but only if he gives up being a Grey Warden. That would be a gut-wrenching choice for him, I think.

[Atreiden]

the timing is especially off if you ask Alistair about his brother. he answer is he met him once, and from the dialog it sounds like Alistair is older then king Cailan. (Alistair greets him formely and Cailan runs off with the comment "ooh swords!").

Also Alistair have a halfsister who knew their mother...

Also gray wardens can have children, just not with other wardens (which was only confirmed on the forum, not in the game).

Modifié par Atreiden, 08 janvier 2010 - 02:53 .

[AntiChri5]

Freckles04 wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

That is also my interpretation.

Best thing is she is likely still alive.

Exactly. For the man who so desperately wants a family, this would be HUGE.

Also, by the end of The Calling, we can assume that Fiona no longer has the taint or, if she does, she won't be affected by the Wardens' Calling. That opens up significant possibilities for Alistair's future, particularly if he's king. Maybe there's a way for him not to die, after all. Maybe there's a way for him to have an heir, but only if he gives up being a Grey Warden. That would be a gut-wrenching choice for him, I think.

I really want Alistair out of the Wardens. I dont want to see him become a Genevieve or Duncan type character and i think making those kind of decisions would destroy him. Would you like Alistair to be the kind of guy who stabs Jory at the beginning?

[Freckles04]

imported_beer wrote...

Elanareon wrote...

 Is Fiona Alistair's real mother??? Upon reading The Calling there could be no other!!!

That *was* my first thought but the timing is off.

The events of the game happen 30 years after the Stolen Throne, and given Cailan's age, the events of the Calling happen about 15 years after the events of TST

That would have made the child of Fiona 15ish years old at the start of the game- which if you are a female who romanced Alistair should be making you feel very creepy.

Sooo...I'm going to conclude Maric really made a lot of illegitimate children with elves.

Well...no. I think the timeline is a little screwy, but if you look at when King Maric allowed the Grey Wardens to return to Ferelden, it was 20 years ago. When Fiona comes to Denerim with Duncan (who is presumably being appointed as the new Grey Warden leader in Ferelden at that point), her son is still an infant, but likely close to one year old. So that would make the boy, at the time of DA:O, around 20-21. Which fits with Alistair being recruited into the Grey Wardens just before taking his vows as a templar.

It would be great if Bioware would confirm the timeline, but they probably won't until they reveal for sure if Alistair is Fiona's son.

[AntiChri5]

Freckles04 wrote...

imported_beer wrote...

Elanareon wrote...

 Is Fiona Alistair's real mother??? Upon reading The Calling there could be no other!!!

That *was* my first thought but the timing is off.

The events of the game happen 30 years after the Stolen Throne, and given Cailan's age, the events of the Calling happen about 15 years after the events of TST

That would have made the child of Fiona 15ish years old at the start of the game- which if you are a female who romanced Alistair should be making you feel very creepy.

Sooo...I'm going to conclude Maric really made a lot of illegitimate children with elves.

Well...no. I think the timeline is a little screwy, but if you look at when King Maric allowed the Grey Wardens to return to Ferelden, it was 20 years ago. When Fiona comes to Denerim with Duncan (who is presumably being appointed as the new Grey Warden leader in Ferelden at that point), her son is still an infant, but likely close to one year old. So that would make the boy, at the time of DA:O, around 20-21. Which fits with Alistair being recruited into the Grey Wardens just before taking his vows as a templar.

It would be great if Bioware would confirm the timeline, but they probably won't until they reveal for sure if Alistair is Fiona's son.

It also explains Duncan simply happening to stumble across Alistair after he gets Templar Training but just before he takes vows and starts chugging Lyrium

[Freckles04]

Atreiden wrote...

the timing is especially off if you ask Alistair about his brother. he answer is he met him once, and from the dialog it sounds like Alistair is older then king Cailan. (Alistair greets him formely and Cailan runs off with the comment "ooh swords!").

Also Alistair have a halfsister who knew their mother...

Also gray wardens can have children, just not with other wardens (which was only confirmed on the forum, not in the game).

I took the comment about Cailan in the party banter simply to indicate that Cailan was immature and had no use for the commoner boy at Redcliffe, not that he was younger. But it's open to interpretation.

As for the half-sister...in the book, Fiona says that her son should be told that his mother was human, and dead. If Alistair IS her son, I have no doubt they set up Goldanna's mother as Alistair's "cover". No one ever told him that he had a sister, remember; he did the checking on his own, presumably without Duncan's knowledge. And just because Goldanna believed that the baby her mother supposedly died giving birth to was the king's doesn't mean it was true.

And yes, Grey Wardens can have children with non-Wardens, but in my game, my PC is Alistair's Queen, so the having heirs is an issue.

[Freckles04]

AntiChri5 wrote...

I really want Alistair out of the Wardens. I dont want to see him become a Genevieve or Duncan type character and i think making those kind of decisions would destroy him. Would you like Alistair to be the kind of guy who stabs Jory at the beginning?

I kind of see Alistair as a bit of a saviour for the Wardens, bringing them back into line with the idealistic view of what they *should* be. I believe it's in The Calling, when they're discussing the Architect's plan, that Bregan or Genevieve say that it's the Grey Wardens' duty to stop the Blight, and either Duncan or Fiona responds that it's the Grey Wardens' duty to protect the world from the Blight. It's a significant difference in viewpoint, I think.

Alistair is idealistic and whole-heartedly believes in doing the right thing, which is not necessarily a bad thing for the Wardens. I think it might temper them a little.

[Elanareon]

No i think it was the hunter who said that, the one with the dog. Yeah, Kell was the name and he said that to Duncan because Duncan was questioning what should they do.



Damn, some turn of events there! But Fiona was tasked to track down the Architect right? But the Architect will show up in the expac. Do you think Fiona will be dead? Or will she show up at the expac? Will Alistair know the truth?? Without Duncan though who will prove it??



Is Duncan even dead? Maybe he's a prisoner again of the Architect like old times! He's too badass to die!



So many questions... HURRY UP AWAKENING!!!

[robertthebard]

I'll be sure to let Alistair's guts know his mother might be alive afterall, the next time I'm at the Landsmeet.

[chaosapiant]

The truth is, there needs to be another book before the game. There is a lot of stuff that isn't explained, such as Loghain's true motivations in the game as well as Alistair's real parentage. As it stands, I firmly believe that Fiona is Alistair's mother. If not, then Alistair is not the last surviving Theirin (sp?).

[amethyst_rose2009]

I agree with everything Freckles said.  Plus I don't think the game timeline is completely correct according to the books - might be off by a few years.  Anyway, if you've read The Calling, then I'm sure you've read The Stolen Throne and Maric didn't sleep with anyone else other than Katriel and well we know how that turned out.  I mean he possibly slept with, oooh I hate to even say it, but you know when he and Loghain were in the swamp and Flemeth invited Maric into her hut.  I mean ewwwwww.  Which of course means that Morrigan and Alistair could be half-siblings........ which makes the dark ritual that much more disturbing if you played a female pc.  Ewwww. 

But yeah anyway, I agree that Fiona has to be Alistair's mom and I hope it's mentioned in the expansion.

[Ariella]

imported_beer wrote...

Elanareon wrote...

 Is Fiona Alistair's real mother??? Upon reading The Calling there could be no other!!!

That *was* my first thought but the timing is off.

The events of the game happen 30 years after the Stolen Throne, and given Cailan's age, the events of the Calling happen about 15 years after the events of TST

That would have made the child of Fiona 15ish years old at the start of the game- which if you are a female who romanced Alistair should be making you feel very creepy.

Sooo...I'm going to conclude Maric really made a lot of illegitimate children with elves.

The Calling doesn't happen 15 years after the epilogue of The Stolen Throne because in the epilogue of the Calling Maric has just invited the Empress of Orlais to Denerim for a peace conference whereas the epilogue of the Stolen Throne talks about the Orlesean ambassador giving Cailan a gift of a book.

[robertthebard]

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

I agree with everything Freckles said.  Plus I don't think the game timeline is completely correct according to the books - might be off by a few years.  Anyway, if you've read The Calling, then I'm sure you've read The Stolen Throne and Maric didn't sleep with anyone else other than Katriel and well we know how that turned out.  I mean he possibly slept with, oooh I hate to even say it, but you know when he and Loghain were in the swamp and Flemeth invited Maric into her hut.  I mean ewwwwww.  Which of course means that Morrigan and Alistair could be half-siblings........ which makes the dark ritual that much more disturbing if you played a female pc.  Ewwww. 

But yeah anyway, I agree that Fiona has to be Alistair's mom and I hope it's mentioned in the expansion.

I have actually postualted that Morrigan could be Alistair's sister.  It was in jest, as I haven't read the books, and was responding to someone that stated that Maric had had contact with Flemeth in the past.  I would find that twist to be absolutely hilarious.

[Ariella]

robertthebard wrote...

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

I agree with everything Freckles said.  Plus I don't think the game timeline is completely correct according to the books - might be off by a few years.  Anyway, if you've read The Calling, then I'm sure you've read The Stolen Throne and Maric didn't sleep with anyone else other than Katriel and well we know how that turned out.  I mean he possibly slept with, oooh I hate to even say it, but you know when he and Loghain were in the swamp and Flemeth invited Maric into her hut.  I mean ewwwwww.  Which of course means that Morrigan and Alistair could be half-siblings........ which makes the dark ritual that much more disturbing if you played a female pc.  Ewwww. 

But yeah anyway, I agree that Fiona has to be Alistair's mom and I hope it's mentioned in the expansion.

I have actually postualted that Morrigan could be Alistair's sister.  It was in jest, as I haven't read the books, and was responding to someone that stated that Maric had had contact with Flemeth in the past.  I would find that twist to be absolutely hilarious.

Actually, Robert, you weren't the first to say that, nor will you be the last....

[amethyst_rose2009]

robertthebard wrote...

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

I agree with everything Freckles said.  Plus I don't think the game timeline is completely correct according to the books - might be off by a few years.  Anyway, if you've read The Calling, then I'm sure you've read The Stolen Throne and Maric didn't sleep with anyone else other than Katriel and well we know how that turned out.  I mean he possibly slept with, oooh I hate to even say it, but you know when he and Loghain were in the swamp and Flemeth invited Maric into her hut.  I mean ewwwwww.  Which of course means that Morrigan and Alistair could be half-siblings........ which makes the dark ritual that much more disturbing if you played a female pc.  Ewwww. 

But yeah anyway, I agree that Fiona has to be Alistair's mom and I hope it's mentioned in the expansion.

I have actually postualted that Morrigan could be Alistair's sister.  It was in jest, as I haven't read the books, and was responding to someone that stated that Maric had had contact with Flemeth in the past.  I would find that twist to be absolutely hilarious.

Yeah, seriously, don't they fight like  brother and sister the whole game?  I mean, maybe, for Maric's sake anyway, nothing happened in Flemeth's hut all those hours while Loghain waited for him.  Maybe he and Flemeth were just reading the chant or doing the Hokey Pokey............ but somehow I don't think so.  Poor Maric.

[robertthebard]

I'm more inclined to feel sorry for Morrigan if it's true, she has to be related to Alistair.

[Herr Uhl]

Ariella wrote...

Actually, Robert, you weren't the first to say that, nor will you be the last....

No, it has been stated a great deal of times. Then people doing the King Arthur comparison.

[Eruanna Guerrein]

Atreiden wrote...

the timing is especially off if you ask Alistair about his brother. he answer is he met him once, and from the dialog it sounds like Alistair is older then king Cailan. (Alistair greets him formely and Cailan runs off with the comment "ooh swords!").

Also Alistair have a halfsister who knew their mother...

Also gray wardens can have children, just not with other wardens (which was only confirmed on the forum, not in the game).

Alistair most definitely confirms this in the game, after the landsmeet if you are in a romance with him.

[robertthebard]

Ariella wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

I agree with everything Freckles said.  Plus I don't think the game timeline is completely correct according to the books - might be off by a few years.  Anyway, if you've read The Calling, then I'm sure you've read The Stolen Throne and Maric didn't sleep with anyone else other than Katriel and well we know how that turned out.  I mean he possibly slept with, oooh I hate to even say it, but you know when he and Loghain were in the swamp and Flemeth invited Maric into her hut.  I mean ewwwwww.  Which of course means that Morrigan and Alistair could be half-siblings........ which makes the dark ritual that much more disturbing if you played a female pc.  Ewwww. 

But yeah anyway, I agree that Fiona has to be Alistair's mom and I hope it's mentioned in the expansion.

I have actually postualted that Morrigan could be Alistair's sister.  It was in jest, as I haven't read the books, and was responding to someone that stated that Maric had had contact with Flemeth in the past.  I would find that twist to be absolutely hilarious.

Actually, Robert, you weren't the first to say that, nor will you be the last....

...and yet, nowhere in my post did I say "I said it first".  I didn't even imply that I said it second, or 100th.  Just that I said it before.