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[Sialater]

It's all just to get Mordred.





Given that I've heard the strategy guide is chock full of errory goodness, I wouldn't take anything it says as gospel, much less a timeline that probably wasn't set when that thing went to the printers.

[Elanareon]

And how did Maric DIE?!??! Or is he just gone??? I haven't read TST yet but i heard from one of the forum threads that Morrigan is a possible daughter of Maric. Hmmm, Morrigan a princes... You think the god child will rule ferelden? If it is indeed true?

[Herr Uhl]

Elanareon wrote...

And how did Maric DIE?!??! Or is he just gone??? I haven't read TST yet but i heard from one of the forum threads that Morrigan is a possible daughter of Maric. Hmmm, Morrigan a princes... You think the god child will rule ferelden? If it is indeed true?

He died at sea.

And became Cthulhu.

[robertthebard]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Elanareon wrote...

And how did Maric DIE?!??! Or is he just gone??? I haven't read TST yet but i heard from one of the forum threads that Morrigan is a possible daughter of Maric. Hmmm, Morrigan a princes... You think the god child will rule ferelden? If it is indeed true?

He died at sea.

And became Cthulhu.

And Morrigan's Daddy.

Fixed it for you. 

[amethyst_rose2009]

Well, whatever the case, David was on the forums just a minute ago, so maybe he will poke his head in here for a sec and clarify the timeline a bit for us.

[Elanareon]

Flemmeth isn't that bad! i mean 60-20 years is 40 and there are some 40 year old hot chics out there! Well not sizzling maybe but still hot.

[amethyst_rose2009]

Elanareon wrote...

Flemmeth isn't that bad! i mean 60-20 years is 40 and there are some 40 year old hot chics out there! Well not sizzling maybe but still hot.

In the Stolen Throne she was clearly NOT 40 years old.  She was supposed to be an old hag with wild white hair.  40-year-olds usually don't have white hair. Remember Flemeth is supposed to be very, very old according to her legend.

Edit: I mean I know that Morrigan discovers that Flemeth is using her daughters for her long life but still the book clearly makes her out to be a very old woman.

Modifié par amethyst_rose2009, 08 janvier 2010 - 05:06 .

[Herr Uhl]

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

Elanareon wrote...

Flemmeth isn't that bad! i mean 60-20 years is 40 and there are some 40 year old hot chics out there! Well not sizzling maybe but still hot.

In the Stolen Throne she was clearly NOT 40 years old.  She was supposed to be an old hag with wild white hair.  40-year-olds usually don't have white hair. Remember Flemeth is supposed to be very, very old according to her legend.

She does not want to disappoint the legends. How she would have looked in the hut is another story however.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 08 janvier 2010 - 05:05 .

[DreGregoire]

Spoiler spoiler book and game Warning warning haha



I think Fiona is Alistair's mother; however, since Maric lost his wife I could imagine him having other relations. I've never checked out a timeline; however I would guess that the king was about four or more years older than Alistair. Oh and I feel the comment of about Alistair having met his half-brother once was when Alistair was still in redcliff which makes him 10 or younger and that would make his brother a teen and an easily distracted one at that or maybe just one who didn't really know how to deal with the fact that his bastard brother was standing in front of him.



In relation to Alistair's half sister....

Well actually I always took it that Alistair's information was obtained on the sly and perhaps is not that acurate. I'm not saying that Goldanna's mother didn't have a child but that possibly that child did die and to hide who Alistair was they claimed he was that child even though he was really Fiona's, making Goldanna not his real sister. Just my own thoughts on it no basis in lore fact



L2A



"Look pretty colors"

[robertthebard]

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

Elanareon wrote...

Flemmeth isn't that bad! i mean 60-20 years is 40 and there are some 40 year old hot chics out there! Well not sizzling maybe but still hot.

In the Stolen Throne she was clearly NOT 40 years old.  She was supposed to be an old hag with wild white hair.  40-year-olds usually don't have white hair. Remember Flemeth is supposed to be very, very old according to her legend.

Edit: I mean I know that Morrigan discovers that Flemeth is using her daughters for her long life but still the book clearly makes her out to be a very old woman.

If you talk to Morrigan about Flemeth, you can get a line about how Morrigan can remember her looking much younger.

[amethyst_rose2009]

Herr Uhl wrote...

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

Elanareon wrote...

Flemmeth isn't that bad! i mean 60-20 years is 40 and there are some 40 year old hot chics out there! Well not sizzling maybe but still hot.

In the Stolen Throne she was clearly NOT 40 years old.  She was supposed to be an old hag with wild white hair.  40-year-olds usually don't have white hair. Remember Flemeth is supposed to be very, very old according to her legend.

She does not want to disappoint the legends. How she would have looked in the hut is another story however.

I would hope for Maric's sake she was able to transform herself into a beautiful young woman first.

Modifié par amethyst_rose2009, 08 janvier 2010 - 05:19 .

[Bhatair]

Or maybe it's a just a plot device left in place to bring back at a later date. Maybe as Alistair, maybe as someone else.

[amethyst_rose2009]

robertthebard wrote...

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

Elanareon wrote...

Flemmeth isn't that bad! i mean 60-20 years is 40 and there are some 40 year old hot chics out there! Well not sizzling maybe but still hot.

In the Stolen Throne she was clearly NOT 40 years old.  She was supposed to be an old hag with wild white hair.  40-year-olds usually don't have white hair. Remember Flemeth is supposed to be very, very old according to her legend.

Edit: I mean I know that Morrigan discovers that Flemeth is using her daughters for her long life but still the book clearly makes her out to be a very old woman.

If you talk to Morrigan about Flemeth, you can get a line about how Morrigan can remember her looking much younger.

Well, I don't know.  Maybe she was just using magic to make her look so old in The Stolen Throne, but the book does actually say she looked like an old hag.  So who knows.....

[DreGregoire]

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

Elanareon wrote...

Flemmeth isn't that bad! i mean 60-20 years is 40 and there are some 40 year old hot chics out there! Well not sizzling maybe but still hot.

In the Stolen Throne she was clearly NOT 40 years old.  She was supposed to be an old hag with wild white hair.  40-year-olds usually don't have white hair. Remember Flemeth is supposed to be very, very old according to her legend.

Edit: I mean I know that Morrigan discovers that Flemeth is using her daughters for her long life but still the book clearly makes her out to be a very old woman.

If you talk to Morrigan about Flemeth, you can get a line about how Morrigan can remember her looking much younger.

Well, I don't know.  Maybe she was just using magic to make her look so old in The Stolen Throne, but the book does actually say she looked like an old hag.  So who knows.....

Spoiler!
hmmm have you finished Morrigan's quest? Or for that matter just given her the black grimore and had her tell you what Flemeth has been doing?  I mean according to that Flemeth isn't the actual Flemeth? or is she? Maybe I read it wrong but I thought it meant that Flemeth's essence takes over the body of her 'daughters'. 

[Elanareon]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Elanareon wrote...

And how did Maric DIE?!??! Or is he just gone??? I haven't read TST yet but i heard from one of the forum threads that Morrigan is a possible daughter of Maric. Hmmm, Morrigan a princes... You think the god child will rule ferelden? If it is indeed true?

He died at sea.

And became Cthulhu.

Yeah i read/heard that somewhere in game... But i passed it off back then because i thought it was explained in the book. But now im not satisfied! lol Damn book... lol I thought at the end of the Calling he was... erm lost fo words.. renew? by Fiona! Remember? That changed, i want to live now blah blah blah...

[tallon1982]

The comment about the Grey Wardens not being able to have children with each other well it's unknown if it's possible. Alistair isn't exactly a good source for that considering he's a recruit like you are and has only been in six months longer then spent the entire year traveling with you to build an army. It would have been better if we heard it from Riordan.



The other issue I have with that is that I think the older you are with the taint lessens the chances of having a child. Fiona was probably only a Warden for a year and was able to have the child who I too believe is Alistair. The less tainted you are the better the odds. I also bet that magic can be used to help conceive a child. Morrigan's ritual shows that much.



As for Maric and Flemeth...I really don't think that they did the horizontal mambo together. I think there was a deal made sure but I think it has more to do with the Blight than anything else. It was probably related to the Dark Ritual. I'm just guessing at all this.

[syllogi]

I don't think this is something the writers will clarify here on the forum, we'll have to wait for a game or book to address it, if ever.



There will be some inconsistencies as far as the timeline of events, but, meh, what are you going to do when you have dozens of people playing in the same "sandbox," and it's easier to retcon than patch the game or make changes in reprints of the book.

[robertthebard]

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

Elanareon wrote...

Flemmeth isn't that bad! i mean 60-20 years is 40 and there are some 40 year old hot chics out there! Well not sizzling maybe but still hot.

In the Stolen Throne she was clearly NOT 40 years old.  She was supposed to be an old hag with wild white hair.  40-year-olds usually don't have white hair. Remember Flemeth is supposed to be very, very old according to her legend.

Edit: I mean I know that Morrigan discovers that Flemeth is using her daughters for her long life but still the book clearly makes her out to be a very old woman.

If you talk to Morrigan about Flemeth, you can get a line about how Morrigan can remember her looking much younger.

Well, I don't know.  Maybe she was just using magic to make her look so old in The Stolen Throne, but the book does actually say she looked like an old hag.  So who knows.....

Makes one wonder if Morrigan couldn't shapeshift into different female forms, if she so desired.

[amethyst_rose2009]

DreGregoire wrote...

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

Elanareon wrote...

Flemmeth isn't that bad! i mean 60-20 years is 40 and there are some 40 year old hot chics out there! Well not sizzling maybe but still hot.

In the Stolen Throne she was clearly NOT 40 years old.  She was supposed to be an old hag with wild white hair.  40-year-olds usually don't have white hair. Remember Flemeth is supposed to be very, very old according to her legend.

Edit: I mean I know that Morrigan discovers that Flemeth is using her daughters for her long life but still the book clearly makes her out to be a very old woman.

If you talk to Morrigan about Flemeth, you can get a line about how Morrigan can remember her looking much younger.

Well, I don't know.  Maybe she was just using magic to make her look so old in The Stolen Throne, but the book does actually say she looked like an old hag.  So who knows.....

Spoiler!
hmmm have you finished Morrigan's quest? Or for that matter just given her the black grimore and had her tell you what Flemeth has been doing?  I mean according to that Flemeth isn't the actual Flemeth? or is she? Maybe I read it wrong but I thought it meant that Flemeth's essence takes over the body of her 'daughters'. 

Yes, I have finished that quest and yes Flemeth's essence does take over her daughters' bodies but still if you read the book she was an old woman.  I don't know what else to say.  Maybe it's a discrepancy between the book and the game.  I'm not sure.

[Elanareon]

robertthebard wrote...

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

Elanareon wrote...

Flemmeth isn't that bad! i mean 60-20 years is 40 and there are some 40 year old hot chics out there! Well not sizzling maybe but still hot.

In the Stolen Throne she was clearly NOT 40 years old.  She was supposed to be an old hag with wild white hair.  40-year-olds usually don't have white hair. Remember Flemeth is supposed to be very, very old according to her legend.

Edit: I mean I know that Morrigan discovers that Flemeth is using her daughters for her long life but still the book clearly makes her out to be a very old woman.

If you talk to Morrigan about Flemeth, you can get a line about how Morrigan can remember her looking much younger.

Well, I don't know.  Maybe she was just using magic to make her look so old in The Stolen Throne, but the book does actually say she looked like an old hag.  So who knows.....

Makes one wonder if Morrigan couldn't shapeshift into different female forms, if she so desired.

I think she said that it has no use, no reason to do it. They take forms of an animal because it has advantages but she refuses to take a form of another human because she already has one?

[amethyst_rose2009]

I just had a thought.  (sorry op for hijacking your thread)  What if it wasn't Flemeth that Maric might have had sex with but one of the daughters, and then the old woman Flemeth would take over or possess that younger woman's body.  It didn't say that in the book, but that would be one possible reason why she is such an old woman in the book, but that Morrigan in the game says she remembers her mother being young.  I mean, after all, she did have other daughters at different times.  I don't know....could be. Just a thought. *shrugs*

[tallon1982]

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

I just had a thought.  (sorry op for hijacking your thread)  What if it wasn't Flemeth that Maric might have had sex with but one of the daughters, and then the old woman Flemeth would take over or possess that younger woman's body.  It didn't say that in the book, but that would be one possible reason why she is such an old woman in the book, but that Morrigan in the game says she remembers her mother being young.  I mean, after all, she did have other daughters at different times.  I don't know....could be. Just a thought. *shrugs*

Now that I could believe. Doesn't it say in the book there were a pair of eyes watching them or something like that at the hut?

[Herr Uhl]

Elanareon wrote...
I think she said that it has no use, no reason to do it. They take forms of an animal because it has advantages but she refuses to take a form of another human because she already has one?

She is quite keen on said shape too.

[robertthebard]

More accurately she says that she can't study a human and learn anything. However, there's the possibility that she could shift into a younger version of her current form. This could be how she can remember Flemeth being younger, despite her being older when she meets Maric, and then again when she meets the PC. Of course, we can't discount the possibility of another daughter in the interim.