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[AB Souldier]

After returning to ME3 and beating it since the EC release, i started thinking to myself this question.
Please note this isn't a QQ thread and i am not trying to bash the EC DLC or Bioware.
Even though i got my answers answered from the EC dlc, why cant we have the happy ending were the reapers get destroyed, everyone lives (EDI, Geth), Everyone is at peace  (really liked the geth + unmasked Quarian scene) and Shep lives OR dies, but a more personal death like in the arms of his/her LI.
As much as i love this game (The ME trilogy is still my 3 favorite games ever released, ever), When i beat it, i am just not as satisfied at i thought i should be. Of course people have different opinions and thats great.

If you pick Control/Synthesis, you are basically doing what you have been trying to stop the whole trilogy (Saren = Synthesis, TIM = Control) and i can't say "job well done" if i pick those. Also, I don't think people who have lost friends and family to the reapers would want to see them flying around helping them.

And if you pick Destroy, you do what you were set out to do since the start, but at what cost? The geth and EDI. All this talk about making peace and then commits Genocide. Why put that in??? From the start it was about making peace and then the only logical opion that shep wanted to do kills one race by killing another.

Never did Shepard say: 

 "We are going to end the war by combining synthetics and organics as one!"

Or "We are going to win this war by controlling the Reapers!"  (TIM)

Shepards goal is and always was to destroy the reapers. Maybe it was a good thing to add synthesis or control for people who believe in that, and i am totally fine with that. 

BUT why, for the people who wanted to stick to the original plan to destroy the reapers, are being punished so hard by getting the Geth/EDI destroyed as well? How is that fair?


After 3 series i would expect to finish the game and put my controller down and say "i did it," but i can't really say that because I did not feel satisfied when i beat the last game of the trilogy (ME3). My point is that there should be a happy ending because over the years, most people grew a connection to the game and its characters(myself included).

Basically, Why can't Mass Effect 3 have a happy ending?
I could of imagined a mixed up ending (dont know how else to put it) for ME1 or ME2, but not for the final game of the trilogy.
Overall, i love the game, and i hope that there will be a happy ending that we deserve.



EDIT:

Motherlander wrote...

What is a happy ending?

To me a happy ending is one that is so emotional and satisfying that you are willing to play over 100 hours of game time over and over again just to see 'your' Shepard, who you have lovingly customised and developed, being victorious in the ending scenes.

In theory, Shepard does not have to live for a happy ending. Shepard dying, destroying the Reapers and saving everyone could be a happy ending for some. However, I think most people, including myself would like to see a total victory option where Shep lives and saves everyone. 

The key is that the ending should focus on Shepard. When playing through the trilogy, we should we looking forward with anticipation to seeing that beautiful emotional ending animation where our dynamic heroic Shepard uses his/her talents to finally defeat the reapers.

The ending should be glorious and deliciously emotional, putting a shiver down our spine and provoking tears of joy or sadness.

Even the current three ending options could work if Shep is the focus of the ending and we feel that Shep defeats the reapers on his or her own terms. It should be an epic transcendent moment of glory, a moment of celebration with fire works and cheering crowds showing their appreciation of the great hero, whether he/she lives or dies.

Unfortunately, we get none of that. Shepard is not the focus of the ending. The catalyst is. And that is why the ending is disliked. Because at the end, Bioware took away our hero and made the enemy the protagonist. 

When I play ME now, all I can think of is how I will see that damn kid again. That damn kid is the focus of the ending, not the hero. So now I can't contemplate playing over 100 Horus when Shepard, because there will be no glorious emotional ending. Just the cold hard depressing image of the catalyst reducing our hero to a secondary powerless character.

So why can't we have a happy ending?

EDIT2:

Just to clarify, 
Happy Ending =/= Shep lives
Although i would love for my shep to live, He doesn't have to. (Still waiting for/wanting those blue babies to continue to carry on my legacy.)

Also, Motherlanders ideas are great.

Motherlander wrote...

Where the hero dies, I see three ways how this can be done in a way that is satisfying.

Firstly, Shepard dies in the arms of his/her love interest, or another character who is important to the Shepard. That would be very emotional and very sad. But it would cement the personal attachment between us and Shepard. When Shepard's friend or love interest cries and says goodbye to Shepard, it is like the gamer saying goodbye. It could be beautiful. The best example of this for me us when Dizzy says goodbye to Rico in Starshiptroopers. The scene us so sad, but I love it.

Secondly, we could have Shepard remotely saying a tearful goodbye to their love interest or meaningful character just before he/she dies. This would be like in Armageddon. This could actually work in the current ME ending if Shep speaks to his/her love interest just before selecting the destroy, control or synthesis ending.

I realise that Shep does say goodbye. But the timing is wrong to have the real impact. To have a real impact, the goodbye needs to be right at the end just before Shep dies.

The third way is for the hero to die saving his/her love interest or other important character. Again that way we see Shepard sacrificing him/herself for an individual who is symbolic of the world Shep is fighting for...basically freedom and love. This is not really possible in the current ending.

Of course, for me the ideal death ending is to have a combination of the first and third option, where Shepard saves his LI and the there is a tearful goodbye in his/her arms. 

In reality, only the second 'Armageddon' ending would be possible in the current ending. Having a such a scene in the EC may have made a difference. But I doubt it.

EDIT 3:

I should add the Mass Effect Happy Ending Mod (MEHEM) (PC only though )
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MEHEM

EDIT 4:

CronoDragoon wrote...

...while for Destroy they chose precisely the WRONG consequence to counterbalance Shepard dying in the other endings.

What CrooDragoon (pg 19) said in this line makes so much sense. Basically, The geth sacrifice was the WRONG consequence to give people who picked Destroy in comparison to the consequences in the other two endings (shep dying)

Modifié par ajsrise, 22 janvier 2013 - 08:50 .

[garrusfan1]

i want a happy ending as well or they could just add A REUNION.

[Legbiter]

You want EDI and the toasters to live you pick Control. There, done.

[capn233]

There is no good answer to this.

They wanted Shepard to be dead so that the would have something of a clean slate for ME4, and not have to answer "why no Shepard?"

[GreyLycanTrope]

Because angst = deep apparently.
Seriously though I haven't heard a good reason for it, it's just what was decided at some point by the guys in charge.

[MassPredator]

I think they try to make an ending to complex, was simpler just defeat them or loose against them. I really though that they never considered a ME4 until EA do. Now they face a huge problem know as CANNONIZE AN ENDING......

[MassPredator]

Sorry i have to post it....

"Artistic integrity"

[Lyrandori]

Because pancakes.

Also, they probably felt that their ending was "deep" or something along the lines, you know, like "HOLY MOLY this is GENIUS!" and opted to go with that and told themselves that not adding to that would be better than to do so, because the less you have, the better it is...

That or Space Hamster convinced Casey and Mac it was the good thing to do.

That, or perhaps the deadline for the game's release was getting closer and closer...

It's up for "interpretation".

[Iakus]

 Because happy endings in games that tout that your choices matter and the story is shaped by your decisions is badwrongunfun


...wait 

[Jadebaby]

I don't believe it's over yet. Hang in there OP ; )

Modifié par JadeShepard, 19 janvier 2013 - 04:46 .

[AB Souldier]

capn233 wrote...

There is no good answer to this.

They wanted Shepard to be dead so that the would have something of a clean slate for ME4, and not have to answer "why no Shepard?"

As much as i would love to see shep and my LI reunite, i am actually happy on how they did it in the EC with the breathe scene and your AI hesitating to put your name on the memorial wall (Destroy)

And they have stated that ME3 was Sheps last ride.

Sheps death should not be a reason why we don't have a happy ending.

JadeShepard wrote...

I don't believe it's over yet. Hang in there OP ; )

Man i hope so.

Modifié par ajsrise, 19 janvier 2013 - 04:47 .

[NeroonWilliams]

The death of Shepard was always planned. There was foreshadowing all the way back to ME1 with Shaira. And if you didn't get the message that kept coming at you all throughout ME3, you really weren't paying attention (it comes during Palaven, after Tuchanka, during Thane's death, after Thessia, every time you talk to Garrus on the Normandy, all of the dream sequences, when Liara introduces the time capsule, and a majority of the final talks with your squadmates during Priority:Earth). Shepard was always meant to be a sacrificial hero, because some victories are meant to be Pyrrhic, no matter how well you prepare.

[MegaSovereign]

NeroonWilliams wrote...

The death of Shepard was always planned. There was foreshadowing all the way back to ME1 with Shaira. And if you didn't get the message that kept coming at you all throughout ME3, you really weren't paying attention (it comes during Palaven, after Tuchanka, during Thane's death, after Thessia, every time you talk to Garrus on the Normandy, all of the dream sequences, when Liara introduces the time capsule, and a majority of the final talks with your squadmates during Priority:Earth). Shepard was always meant to be a sacrificial hero, because some victories are meant to be Pyrrhic, no matter how well you prepare.

My canon Shepard didn't die.

So you're wrong, no offense.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 19 janvier 2013 - 04:55 .

[Kataphrut94]

How is the Extended Cut not a happy ending? On a high EMS, pretty much every choice works out for the best, with the galaxy saved and given the opportunity to thrive. Really, the only difference is a few variations on character deaths, but given the nature of the game and the atmosphere they are going for, an ultra-golden ending where everybody lives would feel simply out of place and possibly even cheapen the conflict.

I disagree with the idea that picking control or synthesis goes against what we've spent the whole trilogy doing. We've spent the whole trilogy trying to stop the Reapers and both those choices accomplish that. The fact remains that they are both controversial in different ways, but difficult, controversial choices are pretty much a staple of the series, so it is a bit naive to think there'd be a way out of it. The fact that the Illusive Man and Saren (loosely in the latter's case) advocated those methods does not mean anything. For a start, they're both dead so nobody is going to be standing behind you as you do it going "nyeeeh, I told you so!"

[JamieCOTC]

capn233 wrote...

There is no good answer to this.

They wanted Shepard to be dead so that the would have something of a clean slate for ME4, and not have to answer "why no Shepard?"

This. There is already PR BS that ME4 is were it all "really" begins. 

[NeroonWilliams]

MegaSovereign wrote...

NeroonWilliams wrote...

The death of Shepard was always planned. There was foreshadowing all the way back to ME1 with Shaira. And if you didn't get the message that kept coming at you all throughout ME3, you really weren't paying attention (it comes during Palaven, after Tuchanka, during Thane's death, after Thessia, every time you talk to Garrus on the Normandy, all of the dream sequences, when Liara introduces the time capsule, and a majority of the final talks with your squadmates during Priority:Earth). Shepard was always meant to be a sacrificial hero, because some victories are meant to be Pyrrhic, no matter how well you prepare.

My canon Shepard didn't die.

So you're wrong, no offense.

If you're refering to the breath "scene", sorry, Shep still died.

If you're refering to any non-BioWare mod, good job, cadet Kirk.

[dreamgazer]

MegaSovereign wrote...

NeroonWilliams wrote...

The death of Shepard was always planned. There was foreshadowing all the way back to ME1 with Shaira. And if you didn't get the message that kept coming at you all throughout ME3, you really weren't paying attention (it comes during Palaven, after Tuchanka, during Thane's death, after Thessia, every time you talk to Garrus on the Normandy, all of the dream sequences, when Liara introduces the time capsule, and a majority of the final talks with your squadmates during Priority:Earth). Shepard was always meant to be a sacrificial hero, because some victories are meant to be Pyrrhic, no matter how well you prepare.

My canon Shepard didn't die.

So you're wrong, no offense.

Tell that to the guy whose gaming rig isn't hooked up to the internet (no EC, no multiplayer, vanilla game). 

I mean, I agree: my (primary) Shepard didn't die either.  But some did.

[xAmilli0n]

 Because I don't want it to.

[dreamgazer]

Can I trademark the phrase "Schrödinger's Breath"?

[MegaSovereign]

NeroonWilliams wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

NeroonWilliams wrote...

The death of Shepard was always planned. There was foreshadowing all the way back to ME1 with Shaira. And if you didn't get the message that kept coming at you all throughout ME3, you really weren't paying attention (it comes during Palaven, after Tuchanka, during Thane's death, after Thessia, every time you talk to Garrus on the Normandy, all of the dream sequences, when Liara introduces the time capsule, and a majority of the final talks with your squadmates during Priority:Earth). Shepard was always meant to be a sacrificial hero, because some victories are meant to be Pyrrhic, no matter how well you prepare.

My canon Shepard didn't die.

So you're wrong, no offense.

If you're refering to the breath "scene", sorry, Shep still died.

If you're refering to any non-BioWare mod, good job, cadet Kirk.

I didn't see him dying. So it didn't happen.

[sharkboy421]

NeroonWilliams wrote...

The death of Shepard was always planned. There was foreshadowing all the way back to ME1 with Shaira. And if you didn't get the message that kept coming at you all throughout ME3, you really weren't paying attention (it comes during Palaven, after Tuchanka, during Thane's death, after Thessia, every time you talk to Garrus on the Normandy, all of the dream sequences, when Liara introduces the time capsule, and a majority of the final talks with your squadmates during Priority:Earth). Shepard was always meant to be a sacrificial hero, because some victories are meant to be Pyrrhic, no matter how well you prepare.

I personally disagree because while Shepard always faced very long odds, she always comes out ahead.  One thing that I personally always felt through out the ME series was a sense of hope.  Even in the face of Sovereign and then later the Collectors and the Omega 4 relay, I got this sense that somehow Shepard was going to pull it out.  I felt this way through almost all of ME3 as well (at least until the beam run).

Now, I could have accepted a heroic sacrifice of Shepard at the end of 3 had it fit and felt worthy of Shepard.  I would have hated it, but I could have accepted it.  I do not feel the current endings offer this but that is another issue. 

To the OP, I do not see why ME3 can't have a happy ending but I don't think it should be the "deafult" ending either.  I was hoping for a tiered ending that was dependent on several factors based on your choices through out the game.  In my head I had an idea of 4 different tiers. The fourth ending was the worst; the reapers win.  Third the reapers lose but the galaxy is devastated; Shep and most of her crew dies.  Second ending is a better version of the third; still a lot of destruction and Shep is dead but her crew is alive and the galaxy is not crippled.  First would be best and hardest to reach; galaxy is severly wounded still but it can recover, Shep and crew all alive.

[NeroonWilliams]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

I disagree with the idea that picking control or synthesis goes against what we've spent the whole trilogy doing. We've spent the whole trilogy trying to stop the Reapers and both those choices accomplish that. The fact remains that they are both controversial in different ways, but difficult, controversial choices are pretty much a staple of the series, so it is a bit naive to think there'd be a way out of it. The fact that the Illusive Man and Saren (loosely in the latter's case) advocated those methods does not mean anything. For a start, they're both dead so nobody is going to be standing behind you as you do it going "nyeeeh, I told you so!"

I reject the notion that Saren advocated Synthesis.  Saren's actual goal seemed more along the lines of Refuse (just please, let me continue to live under your new paradigm, Sovereign).

[automatic man]

I think the problem is the breath scene. I'll always pick Destroy and not because of that scene. I'm ok with shepard living or not surviving, but that scene has got to be eliminated entirely or it's needs some light to be shed on it. It's him inhaling not a final exhale I think it should be removed.

[Sanunes]

Because BioWare didn't want to make a happy ending?

I understand people want it, but we as a society can't get everything we want. I doubt the people who cancelled their subscriptions to HBO because of the ending of The Sopranos wanted that ending.

[Steelcan]

Because apparently happy endings are now taboo.