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[EpicBoot2daFace]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...
But what I do know is that because Bioware let their pride get the best of them, they've forever damaged their reputation and trust with their fanbase. The franchise still has it's fans, but there are a lot less of them nowadays because of Bioware's foolish mistake and stubbornness to properly correct that mistake.

And now they're going to walk away from that mistake, and act like everything will fix itself. Good luck to them on that. I wonder if they'll be able to fit the pieces together while they're scratching their heads, wondering where a lot of their customers went during DA3 and ME4's release.

We'll see how that turns out, however, history shows us that if Leviathan didn't sell well (eg. as you put it, people didn't buy their games), Omega wouldn't have been made. If Omega didn't sell well, the next DLC that's coming out wouldn't have been made.

Leviathan and Omega didn't sell that well last time i checked. I also never said people didn't buy their games, you're misquoting me.

Do you have a source?

[David7204]

So...they're 'fans' that refuse to buy their games. And how does that work?

[78stonewobble]

magnetite wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...
But what I do know is that because Bioware let their pride get the best of them, they've forever damaged their reputation and trust with their fanbase. The franchise still has it's fans, but there are a lot less of them nowadays because of Bioware's foolish mistake and stubbornness to properly correct that mistake.

And now they're going to walk away from that mistake, and act like everything will fix itself. Good luck to them on that. I wonder if they'll be able to fit the pieces together while they're scratching their heads, wondering where a lot of their customers went during DA3 and ME4's release.

We'll see how that turns out, however, history shows us that if Leviathan didn't sell well (eg. as you put it, people didn't buy their games), Omega wouldn't have been made. If Omega didn't sell well, the next DLC that's coming out wouldn't have been made.

See the small red dot in the middle that is what is presumed to be the vocal portion of the fanbase.

Oh come now but that is just a stupid point to make.

Those numbers are in no way comparable and neither is a statistically significant poll indicative of the average buyers oppinion of the game, the ending or willingness to buy anything in the future.

I'd be embarrassed to reference that.

If anything comparison should be made it should be from retake mass effect on facebook to mass effect 3 fans on face book. 60.000 people on facebook disliked the ending (via retake) and 70.000 liked mass effect 3.

And that doesn't tells us much about the average buyer anyway...

PS: All it tells us is that 60.000 people had a problem with the ending. That in itself should be a bit worrying, because what are the odds that all 60.000 are just "too stupid" to get it. Atleast it should open up a line of thinking that maybe. Just maybe, the ending wasn't (universally viewed) as good as who ever made it thought it would be.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 19 janvier 2013 - 08:05 .

[Motherlander]

78stonewobble wrote...

Well any sort of boycot I find silly.

If bioware comes out with something good the only one I'll hurt by not buying it is myself. I'd rather be enjoying good stuff then that.

Subconsciously though I'm a bit weary about buying stuff from them. I'll need to hear more good things about it first than previously before buying.

Yes, that is my attitude too. I won't boycott ME4. If I hear generally favourable reviews and it looks like the sort if thing I would like, then I will buy it.

but this time there will be no pre-order at full price. No blind faith as I showed with ME3. This time it will be from the bargin bucket one year after release.

I have no anticipation for ME4. ME3 saw to that. 

Modifié par Motherlander, 19 janvier 2013 - 08:00 .

[David7204]

You'd have to be pretty foolish to spend your time here if your problems with ME 3 boil down to the money you spent.

[Mcfly616]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...



"Why does the sun come up? Or are the stars just pinholes in the curtain of night? Who knows?"

But what I do know is that because Bioware let their pride get the best of them, they've forever damaged their reputation and trust with their fanbase. The franchise still has it's fans, but there are a lot less of them nowadays because of Bioware's foolish mistake and stubbornness to properly correct that mistake.

what "mistake" needed correction?

[Mathias]

magnetite wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...
Leviathan and Omega didn't sell that well last time i checked.

If they didn't, then they probably would not be working on the next Mass Effect game. I mean as you said, if no one buys it, then what's the point.

I personally believe that unless you are someone who works at the company we don't really know exactly how many people bought what.

DA2's DLC sold pretty poorly, and yet they went on with DA3, so what's you point? They make future installments cause they have faith that it will still sell well. They believe their's still money to be made in making a brand new title. Maybe it will, maybe it won't.

But here's the problem. Leviathan and Omega are pretty low on the Xbox 360's best selling DLC list. In fact almost all the Mass Effect series DLC, has sold better than Lev and Omega. Including Pinnacle Station. Mass Effect 3 on the Wii U also only managed to sell 11k-13k copies during the first month of it's release. That's pretty terrible. So there definitely are warning signs that Bioware have lost a significant amount of customers.

[Kabraxal]

magnetite wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...
But what I do know is that because Bioware let their pride get the best of them, they've forever damaged their reputation and trust with their fanbase. The franchise still has it's fans, but there are a lot less of them nowadays because of Bioware's foolish mistake and stubbornness to properly correct that mistake.

And now they're going to walk away from that mistake, and act like everything will fix itself. Good luck to them on that. I wonder if they'll be able to fit the pieces together while they're scratching their heads, wondering where a lot of their customers went during DA3 and ME4's release.

We'll see how that turns out, however, history shows us that if Leviathan didn't sell well (eg. as you put it, people didn't buy their games), Omega wouldn't have been made. If Omega didn't sell well, the next DLC that's coming out wouldn't have been made.

See the small red dot in the middle that is what is presumed to be the vocal portion of the fanbase.

Except there were people like me, my friends, and some family that played it, hated the ending and didn't contribute to the retake movement other than my presence on a forum from time to time.  So yeah... take your "vocal minority" mantra and find something that actually has any real traction.  Obviously the ending pissed enough people off that they've had to be on the defensive from day one.

This is like someone arguing Diablo 3 only had a vocal minority hate it because it sold 10 mllion copies and only a fraction were on the forums.  Never mind all the data in game pointing to a mass exodus.

[Zartarc]

You ask why there is no happy ending? Because in reality, there are no happy endings too. Thats why.

[Mathias]

magnetite wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
Do you have a source?

It was someone on their twitter pages.

I do have a source.

http://marketplace.x...tby=BestSelling

Leviathan is about #361 on that list.

[dreamgazer]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...



"Why does the sun come up? Or are the stars just pinholes in the curtain of night? Who knows?"

But what I do know is that because Bioware let their pride get the best of them, they've forever damaged their reputation and trust with their fanbase. The franchise still has it's fans, but there are a lot less of them nowadays because of Bioware's foolish mistake and stubbornness to properly correct that mistake.

what "mistake" needed correction?

An ambiguous ending that splits the universe in three (four!) different possible directions, appealing to rivaling ideologies, explained poorly in terms of logical application, and not offering enough catharsis for a noticeable segment of the fanbase. 

I think it would've been interesting if handled properly, a form of performance art (yup, art) in witnessing the debate, but I also think it's a mistake if they plan on furthering the franchise.  

[Mcfly616]

dreamgazer wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...


"Why does the sun come up? Or are the stars just pinholes in the curtain of night? Who knows?"

But what I do know is that because Bioware let their pride get the best of them, they've forever damaged their reputation and trust with their fanbase. The franchise still has it's fans, but there are a lot less of them nowadays because of Bioware's foolish mistake and stubbornness to properly correct that mistake.

what "mistake" needed correction?

An ambiguous ending that splits the universe in three (four!) different possible directions, appealing to rivaling ideologies, explained poorly in terms of logical application, and not offering enough catharsis for a noticeable segment of the fanbase. 

none of that is a "mistake". And "explained poorly in terms of logical application" is merely an opinion

[AB Souldier]

Motherlander wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Doesn't fit the theme of the series. Why does every game, story have to have a cliche Hollywood kind of ending anyways? (eg. happy ending, big action sequence at the end (Priority Earth rewrite), guy rides off into the sunset with LI or has babies and such, which several fan fiction was pointing to).

Glad Bioware tried to do something a little different. People are afraid of change.

I take the opposite view. If BW had treated the ME ending like Hollywood blockbuster, the ending would probably be better.

That does not mean the hero has to live. In Armageddon the hero dies. But at least we see him having a teerful goodbye with his daughter before pressing the button, giving a personal meaning to his sacrifice.

That personal element was missing in ME3.

Agreed.

[Iakus]

Motherlander wrote...

ajsrise wrote...

The thing is i shouldn't have to change to choices i believe is not right to get a happy ending that isn't even official by your logic.
The peace between Geth and Quarians should of been enought for the Geth to live. And if you talk with EDI enough, that should let her live to, because it is not right for her to understand what it is live to be alive and then die if you pick the destroy ending. 

i think there is one way that the death of the Geth and EDI could have been acceptable to us in the destroy ending.

Whst needed to happen es that Shep contacts EDI and/or the Geth leader and explains to that he/she has to destroy them to defeat the reapers.

In a paragon option, Shep would become very emotional and would be in tears as he informs EDI that he has no choice but to end their existence. Shep would beg for forgiveness and would show huge regret.

Being synthetic, EDI would logically accept the decision. But would make the choice even harder. But at least it would be meaningful.

this would at least have made the choice feel personal, rather than cold and brutal.

This.

What makes teh end of Arrival olerable fro me is that Shepard at least has the option to try and warn the colony, even if the attempt is doomed to failure.

[Faust1979]

This game does have happy endings! destroy the reapers, if you have a enough EMS earth is saved from destruction and the galaxy rebuilds itself and is able to move. Also if you have enough EMS Shepard survives. How is that not a happy ending? explain it to me

[TheRealJayDee]

Zartarc wrote...

You ask why there is no happy ending? Because in reality, there are no happy endings too. Thats why.

1. There are happy endings in reality. 2. ME is fiction. And a game. 


edit:

3. Even with MEHEM I'd classify the endings as bittersweet at best.

Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 19 janvier 2013 - 08:25 .

[MegaSovereign]

Faust1979 wrote...

This game does have happy endings! destroy the reapers, if you have a enough EMS earth is saved from destruction and the galaxy rebuilds itself and is able to move. Also if you have enough EMS Shepard survives. How is that not a happy ending? explain it to me

GALACTIC DARK AGE....LAST BREATH.....CANNOT BE STOPPED....CANNOT BE STOPPED

[DiebytheSword]

Because hispsters and grimdark.

[kalasaurus]

Now I keep thinking about this when I read "happy ending" on BSN: .

Happy ending! Happy ending!

[AB Souldier]

Zartarc wrote...

You ask why there is no happy ending? Because in reality, there are no happy endings too. Thats why.

And if you believe that, then i am sorry, but nothing in life will ever make you happy.

Modifié par ajsrise, 19 janvier 2013 - 08:30 .

[AB Souldier]

Faust1979 wrote...

This game does have happy endings! destroy the reapers, if you have a enough EMS earth is saved from destruction and the galaxy rebuilds itself and is able to move. Also if you have enough EMS Shepard survives. How is that not a happy ending? explain it to me

If you find genocide happy then i am scared.

[MegaSovereign]

GlassElephant wrote...

Now I keep thinking about this when I read "happy ending" on BSN: .

Happy ending! Happy ending!

That's what Mass Effect 3 is missing....A complimentary eggroll.

[78stonewobble]

Mcfly616 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...


"Why does the sun come up? Or are the stars just pinholes in the curtain of night? Who knows?"

But what I do know is that because Bioware let their pride get the best of them, they've forever damaged their reputation and trust with their fanbase. The franchise still has it's fans, but there are a lot less of them nowadays because of Bioware's foolish mistake and stubbornness to properly correct that mistake.

what "mistake" needed correction?

An ambiguous ending that splits the universe in three (four!) different possible directions, appealing to rivaling ideologies, explained poorly in terms of logical application, and not offering enough catharsis for a noticeable segment of the fanbase. 

none of that is a "mistake". And "explained poorly in terms of logical application" is merely an opinion

I would argue that it is a mistake to try to present your story in a logical fashion when that logic falls through if thought out or analyzed closer.

Atleast to me that is a relative tangible and relatively objective error or fault with the ending.

Which then colours the rest of the ending in the form of subjective oppinion of the quality.

The logic, the arguments and the rationalisations should have been bulletproof for them to try to take that road.

As it is the ending works alot better if the reapers/catalyst and their actions are explained away as "crazy" / as in mentally ill robots or faulty robots. 

[AB Souldier]

I know people have different meanings of a "happy ending," but i believe this happy ending from the 1st post defines most peoples meaning.

Modifié par ajsrise, 19 janvier 2013 - 08:31 .