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[RocketManSR2]

Sundance31us wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I took the breath scene at face value. Shepard is a dead man. The Citadel explosion I can headcanon away, maybe there were some powerful shields or heavy armor around the chamber where Shepard was, Idk. However, he is now badly injured, suffering a gunshot wound and who knows what else, no medical personnel anywhere nearby, and the Normandy is out of the Sol system and would take days to get back. Yup, he gets to die a slow, cold, lonely death. His friends and LI will be greeted by a corpse or a casket covered in an Alliance flag. Yay, happy. 

There's a distinct possiblility that there are other survivors on the Citadel.

Had BioWare given me something positive to build my headcanon on, I wouldn't be posting right now. They didn't the first time and refused to add to the breath scene in the EC. That was when I just went WTF and became frustrated and angry. Just posting this is making those feelings come back to the surface.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

dreamgazer wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Shepard survives? Prove it.

It's the last thing we see.. Shepard surviving the Crucible activation.

The burden of proof that he isn't alive is on your shoulders.

Hell, it's possible that the breath scene happens even in lower-EMS versions of destroy.

Higher-EMS players just have the "privilege" to see it.  Not seeing it =/= it didn't happen.

That form of interpretation becomes a slippery slope.

It's possible that The Normandy is actually Harbinger. I mean, we'll never know. They never told us. 

[Faust1979]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I took the breath scene at face value. Shepard is a dead man. The Citadel explosion I can headcanon away, maybe there were some powerful shields or heavy armor around the chamber where Shepard was, Idk. However, he is now badly injured, suffering a gunshot wound and who knows what else, no medical personnel anywhere nearby, and the Normandy is out of the Sol system and would take days to get back. Yup, he gets to die a slow, cold, lonely death. His friends and LI will be greeted by a corpse or a casket covered in an Alliance flag. Yay, happy. 

There's a distinct possiblility that there are other survivors on the Citadel.

Had BioWare given me something positive to build my headcanon on, I wouldn't be posting right now. They didn't the first time and refused to add to the breath scene in the EC. That was when I just went WTF and became frustrated and angry. Just posting this is making those feelings come back to the surface.

What would you like them to add to the breath scene that you can't imagine for yourself? 

[MegaSovereign]

It's possible that The Normandy is actually Harbinger. I mean, we'll never know. They never told us.

Well...At least the evac scene makes more sense now.

[spirosz]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I took the breath scene at face value. Shepard is a dead man. The Citadel explosion I can headcanon away, maybe there were some powerful shields or heavy armor around the chamber where Shepard was, Idk. However, he is now badly injured, suffering a gunshot wound and who knows what else, no medical personnel anywhere nearby, and the Normandy is out of the Sol system and would take days to get back. Yup, he gets to die a slow, cold, lonely death. His friends and LI will be greeted by a corpse or a casket covered in an Alliance flag. Yay, happy. 

There's a distinct possiblility that there are other survivors on the Citadel.

Had BioWare given me something positive to build my headcanon on, I wouldn't be posting right now. They didn't the first time and refused to add to the breath scene in the EC. That was when I just went WTF and became frustrated and angry. Just posting this is making those feelings come back to the surface.

Logically, what you headcannoned makes sense, but at the same time, Shepard has survived the impossible and not just once.  If anything, I think dwelling in the negatives isn't going to make you feel any better and I'd suggest just you try to fantasize a postive outcome, if it helps.  

[Brovikk Rasputin]

MegaSovereign wrote...

It's possible that The Normandy is actually Harbinger. I mean, we'll never know. They never told us.

Well...At least the evac scene makes more sense now.

How do you even know that was Harbinger there at the evac scene? Could've been a similar Reaper created by Cerberus. Their last try at stopping Shepard. We don't know. They never showed us that wasn't the case.

[spirosz]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

It's possible that The Normandy is actually Harbinger. I mean, we'll never know. They never told us.

Well...At least the evac scene makes more sense now.

How do you even know that was Harbinger there at the evac scene? Could've been a similar Reaper created by Cerberus. Their last try at stopping Shepard. We don't know. They never showed us that wasn't the case.

The eyes....... 

[dreamgazer]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Shepard survives? Prove it.

It's the last thing we see.. Shepard surviving the Crucible activation.

The burden of proof that he isn't alive is on your shoulders.

Hell, it's possible that the breath scene happens even in lower-EMS versions of destroy.

Higher-EMS players just have the "privilege" to see it. Not seeing it =/= it didn't happen.

That form of interpretation becomes a slippery slope.

It's possible that The Normandy is actually Harbinger. I mean, we'll never know. They never told us.

And it's possible to interpret everything in ME is nothing more than the Prothean vision.

But reducing an argument with absurd counterpoints isn't a good thing. Why interpret anything then?

[Brovikk Rasputin]

dreamgazer wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Shepard survives? Prove it.

It's the last thing we see.. Shepard surviving the Crucible activation.

The burden of proof that he isn't alive is on your shoulders.

Hell, it's possible that the breath scene happens even in lower-EMS versions of destroy.

Higher-EMS players just have the "privilege" to see it. Not seeing it =/= it didn't happen.

That form of interpretation becomes a slippery slope.

It's possible that The Normandy is actually Harbinger. I mean, we'll never know. They never told us.

And it's possible to interpret everything in ME is nothing more than the Prothean vision.

But reducing an argument with absurd counterpoints isn't a good thing. Why interpret anything then?

Your argument was just as absurd. 

"Hell, it's possible that the breath scene happens even in lower-EMS versions of destroy.
Higher-EMS players just have the "privilege" to see it. Not seeing it =/= it didn't happen."
No..

[MegaSovereign]

I don't see how it's a happy ending either way. Shepard will likely have to cope with PTSD for the rest of his life over all the crap he's been through in the past 3 years.

If it was up to me I would just let Shepard rest in peace, but my war assets are incredibly high by default thanks to MP.

[Iakus]

Faust1979 wrote...

What would you like them to add to the breath scene that you can't imagine for yourself? 

First of, if we're supposed to "imagine" all this, why did we even buy the game to begin with?

Second, what they could have added?

A rescue team finding Shepard and declaring him/her alive

Shepard speaking, contacting someone on a radio, etc.

Shepard standing up, proving to be mobile

Shepard waking up in a hospital.

I could go on if you like...

[spirosz]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I don't see how it's a happy ending either way. Shepard will likely have to cope with PTSD for the rest of his life over all the crap he's been through in the past 3 years.

If it was up to me I would just let Shepard rest in peace, but my war assets are incredibly high by default thanks to MP.

I know my Shepard isn't going to be the same after having to destroy the Geth and EDI, since he cared a great amount for them both, so it might be a good thing if he goes away peacefully.  Even if Jack hates him for it, I think she would understand. 

Also, that's why personally, I wish Bioware showed more emotional content for Shepard and Jack, I would of loved to see a scene with them and private and let Shepard just release what needs be (and not to Liara, Garrus or whoever else), the one person he needed the most and it didn't happen.  

Modifié par spirosz, 19 janvier 2013 - 09:43 .

[Iakus]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I don't see how it's a happy ending either way. Shepard will likely have to cope with PTSD for the rest of his life over all the crap he's been through in the past 3 years.

If it was up to me I would just let Shepard rest in peace, but my war assets are incredibly high by default thanks to MP.

Alive, the possibilities are endless with what can happen next.

Dead, you're just dead.

[Sundance31us]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I don't see how it's a happy ending either way. Shepard will likely have to cope with PTSD for the rest of his life over all the crap he's been through in the past 3 years.

If it was up to me I would just let Shepard rest in peace, but my war assets are incredibly high by default thanks to MP.

Interpret it as his/her last breath...he/she held on just long enough to make sure the Crucible worked.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I don't see how it's a happy ending either way. Shepard will likely have to cope with PTSD for the rest of his life over all the crap he's been through in the past 3 years.

If it was up to me I would just let Shepard rest in peace, but my war assets are incredibly high by default thanks to MP.

Alive, the possibilities are endless with what can happen next.

Dead, you're just dead.

I don't like drawing too much real life stuff into the discussions on here, but, tell that to someone who actually suffers from PTSD. I'm sure they'd totally agree.

[wright1978]

iakus wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

What would you like them to add to the breath scene that you can't imagine for yourself? 

First of, if we're supposed to "imagine" all this, why did we even buy the game to begin with?

Second, what they could have added?

A rescue team finding Shepard and declaring him/her alive

Shepard speaking, contacting someone on a radio, etc.

Shepard standing up, proving to be mobile

Shepard waking up in a hospital.

I could go on if you like...

Yeah any of the above or Shep speaking in the epilogue. Basically any element of expostion/closure that dead shep got in the other endings rather than the cheap ambiguity that Bioware decided to insult players with.

[Faust1979]

iakus wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

What would you like them to add to the breath scene that you can't imagine for yourself? 

First of, if we're supposed to "imagine" all this, why did we even buy the game to begin with?

Second, what they could have added?

A rescue team finding Shepard and declaring him/her alive

Shepard speaking, contacting someone on a radio, etc.

Shepard standing up, proving to be mobile

Shepard waking up in a hospital.

I could go on if you like...

They probably could have but lots of books even great books end with questions lingering, movies are the same way. What did you want really? this game to have a Return of the King ending where it goes on for about 20 minutes and have five different endings where it just keeps going and doesn't seem to want an end? that would be lame. The game does a good enough job of talking about how the galaxy turns out. I don't need to see Shepard's whole life story of what happened after the war

[Sundance31us]

iakus wrote...

First of, if we're supposed to "imagine" all this, why did we even buy the game to begin with?

I can only speak for myself, but I enjoy immersing myself in the world and characters and that's why I purchased it and will purchase again.

[MegaSovereign]

Sundance31us wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I don't see how it's a happy ending either way. Shepard will likely have to cope with PTSD for the rest of his life over all the crap he's been through in the past 3 years.

If it was up to me I would just let Shepard rest in peace, but my war assets are incredibly high by default thanks to MP.

Interpret it as his/her last breath...he/she held on just long enough to make sure the Crucible worked.

The breath scene was him inhaling, not exhaling.

[insomniac13]

Because "Artistic Integrity"

[Sundance31us]

iakus wrote...

Second, what they could have added?

A rescue team finding Shepard and declaring him/her alive

Shepard speaking, contacting someone on a radio, etc.

Shepard standing up, proving to be mobile

Shepard waking up in a hospital.

I could go on if you like...

So you want solid proof he/she is alive.

[dreamgazer]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Your argument was just as absurd.

"Hell, it's possible that the breath scene happens even in lower-EMS versions of destroy.
Higher-EMS players just have the "privilege" to see it. Not seeing it =/= it didn't happen."
No..

Are the circumstances of the actual explosion that different between mid-EMS, high-EMS, and breath-EMS (low-EMS I'll automatically agree, but that's similar to Shep dying in ME2)? Why wouldn't the scene happen off-screen in the other variations of destroy?

Modifié par dreamgazer, 19 janvier 2013 - 09:51 .

[MegaSovereign]

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I don't see how it's a happy ending either way. Shepard will likely have to cope with PTSD for the rest of his life over all the crap he's been through in the past 3 years.

If it was up to me I would just let Shepard rest in peace, but my war assets are incredibly high by default thanks to MP.

Alive, the possibilities are endless with what can happen next.

Dead, you're just dead.

I don't understand what you mean? With death comes literal closure.

[Iakus]

Faust1979 wrote...

They probably could have but lots of books even great books end with questions lingering, movies are the same way. What did you want really? this game to have a Return of the King ending where it goes on for about 20 minutes and have five different endings where it just keeps going and doesn't seem to want an end? that would be lame. The game does a good enough job of talking about how the galaxy turns out. I don't need to see Shepard's whole life story of what happened after the war

So confirmation that Shepard deos in fact live rather than bleeding out on the Citadel is "Shepard's whole life story?"

How odd.  I call that "closure"

[Reorte]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

"Hell, it's possible that the breath scene happens even in lower-EMS versions of destroy.
Higher-EMS players just have the "privilege" to see it. Not seeing it =/= it didn't happen."
No..

Whilst the intent of the breath scene is almost certainly "Shepard lives" IMO it's a failure if you have to second-guess the developer's intent for putting a scene in (however clear that intent is), rather than purely going on the information in it and likely extrapolations from it (and even then it can still be unsatisfying, just being able to work it out rather than seeing it). If it's likely that someone in that situation would die if it were real, and it is, then it's bad design to rely simply on "the scene wouldn't be there otherwise" and nothing else.