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[Mouton_Alpha]

fiendishchicken wrote...

It's forced sacrifice. Actually, it's not even that, it's forced suicide. Up out of no where comes this little bugger who brings up some crap that in all honesty is just plain stupid. And I'm forced to agree with him. I reject anything and everything to do with him, and want him and his toys to go **** off and get blown up.

You did not defeat him. You only modified his outlook slightly. You are still basically on Reaper's mercy, on their terms. You don't get to choose everything you want and may I remind you that you do get to kill him dead. And if you don't like the offers, feel free to refuse.

fiendishchicken wrote...

And an ending without sacrifice would fit my game just fine. I played the whole trilogy with the intent for Shepard to survive and win in the end.

It is a game about war and genocide. Perhaps that should have suggested slightly less optimistic lines, hm.

[o Ventus]

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

It is a game about war and genocide. Perhaps that should have suggested slightly less optimistic lines, hm.

Your point being...? I don't see exactly what "WAR!" does to ruin any chance of a "happy" ending.

[fiendishchicken]

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

It is a game about war and genocide. Perhaps that should have suggested slightly less optimistic lines, hm.

Wow you really are an elitist jackwagon, aren't you.

Yes it is. It's also a game about galactic unity and overcoming impossible odds. Those are optimistic.

Just because a game has themes of war and genocide, does not mean that the protagonist must sacrifice himself in the end. I choose for Shepard to live. I want him to have a happy ending. I'm a believer in optimistic endings.

And I as for the top portion, I want to be able to reject the entire notion of the catalysts logic, and let it know it.

As it is, I'm forced to accept the catalysts logic, even when I choose destroy. I'm going to pick it, but I want it to know that I'm not doing it because I believe in it's cycle.

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 26 janvier 2013 - 11:10 .

[Steelcan]

I'd say destroy is a fairly good rejection of the Catalyst's horse****

[fiendishchicken]

Steelcan wrote...

I'd say destroy is a fairly good rejection of the Catalyst's horse****

It is. But the way it's presented implies that Shepard is buying into it's garbage. I don't like that.

[Steelcan]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I'd say destroy is a fairly good rejection of the Catalyst's horse****

It is. But the way it's presented implies that Shepard is buying into it's garbage. I don't like that.

. My Shepard says "Then I won't use the Crucible". Did yours pick "It will end the War?"

They're pretty different options.

Modifié par Steelcan, 26 janvier 2013 - 11:17 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Steelcan wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I'd say destroy is a fairly good rejection of the Catalyst's horse****

It is. But the way it's presented implies that Shepard is buying into it's garbage. I don't like that.

. My Shepard says "Then I won't use the Crucible". Did yours pick "It will end the War?"

They're pretty different options.

This is what was missing.

[fiendishchicken]

Steelcan wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I'd say destroy is a fairly good rejection of the Catalyst's horse****

It is. But the way it's presented implies that Shepard is buying into it's garbage. I don't like that.

. My Shepard says "Then I won't use the Crucible". Did yours pick "It will end the War?"

They're pretty different options.

Doesn't that refuse? Anyway, I also hate sitting through Control and Synthesis crap. I just want a faster way to the tube. Like DeinonSlayers dialogue option.

[InvincibleHero]

Define happy ending. Yours is different than mine and almost anyone else's. It does have a happy ending to me as the reaper threat is ended. The majority of the ME universe is far better off than if the harvesting was never halted.

Thread title should read why can't Mass effect 3 end the way I want.

Modifié par InvincibleHero, 26 janvier 2013 - 11:32 .

[Steelcan]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
I'd say destroy is a fairly good rejection of the Catalyst's horse****

It is. But the way it's presented implies that Shepard is buying into it's garbage. I don't like that.

. My Shepard says "Then I won't use the Crucible". Did yours pick "It will end the War?"

They're pretty different options.

Doesn't that refuse? Anyway, I also hate sitting through Control and Synthesis crap. I just want a faster way to the tube. Like DeinonSlayers dialogue option.

. No it doesn't, it's an option when discussing Destroy.  Then Glowstick says how we can't win without it because we have used up too many resources blah blah blah, then you say "I don't believe you"

He then responds with what I say is the most unnerving line in the trilogy "Your belief is not required". In the creepiest voice he can muster

[AB Souldier]

InvincibleHero wrote...

Define happy ending. Yours is different than mine and almost anyone else's. It does have a happy ending to me as the reaper threat is ended. The majority of the ME universe is far better off than if the harvesting was never halted.

Thread title should read why can't Mass effect 3 end the way most people want.

I defined my meaning of a happy ending in the post. So did most of the people here.
The idea was to bring peoples meaning of a happy ending and peice it together.

And i fixed it for you.

[InvincibleHero]

ajsrise wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

Define happy ending. Yours is different than mine and almost anyone else's. It does have a happy ending to me as the reaper threat is ended. The majority of the ME universe is far better off than if the harvesting was never halted.

Thread title should read why can't Mass effect 3 end the way most people want.

I defined my meaning of a happy ending in the post. So did most of the people here.
The idea was to bring peoples meaning of a happy ending and peice it together.

And i fixed it for you.

You're a bit lacking on evidence for that. The truth is you want it to end your way and someone else wants it to end their way. Yes some people intersect in their wants. there may be a hundred thousand that has such rage but evidently not as I am sure 100,000 didn't vent their hate here where it would serve best. Most either liked it, found it acceptable, average for a game, or were apathetic to how it ended as they did not seek out even making their feelings known on it. The amount of people hating on the ending is a subset and not a majority at all.

[Hadeedak]

M25105 wrote...

Because the pretend intellectuals who think 2000 space odyssey is a work of genius (while in reality it bores people to sleep) can't deal with happy endings it seems. It's too disney and unrealistic or some crap like that, meanwhile they got no problem with robots walking around talking and aliens with four balls.

Have you read the series at all?

I get that Mass Effect 3 can be compared to the movie, in that they end in a confusing way and there's a kid. But they're not all that similar. And... I liked 2001. I like most of Arthur C. Clarke's work. I don't know that that makes me much of an intellectual, pretend or not. But what's with the cheap shot on Clarke out of left field? 

[Reorte]

o Ventus wrote...

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

It is a game about war and genocide. Perhaps that should have suggested slightly less optimistic lines, hm.

Your point being...? I don't see exactly what "WAR!" does to ruin any chance of a "happy" ending.

Apparently no-one involved in a war can ever have any sort of personal happiness ever again (because apparently that's "unrealistic".)

[thearbiter1337]

But i don't like happy endings.

[IIEquillibriumII]

o Ventus wrote...

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

It is a game about war and genocide. Perhaps that should have suggested slightly less optimistic lines, hm.

Your point being...? I don't see exactly what "WAR!" does to ruin any chance of a "happy" ending.

There's no ¨Happines¨ in war, and Genocide for that matter, no matter how the outcome is, ¨war¨ never has a heppy ending.

im perfectly fine with the ending being sad and abit dark, couse thats what the whole game have been building it up to, i dont like the endings, but the feeling you get from it, the sadness and so on, fits perfectly to a universe whos been at war and fighting for its survival.

Modifié par IIEquillibriumII, 27 janvier 2013 - 01:35 .

[o Ventus]

IIEquillibriumII wrote...

There's no ¨Happines¨ in war, and Genocide for that matter, no matter how the outcome is, ¨war¨ never has a heppy ending.

im perfectly fine with the ending being sad and abit dark, couse thats what the whole game have been building it up to, i dont like the endings, but the feeling you get from it, the sadness and so on, fits perfectly to a universe whos been at war and fighting for its survival.

"A universe who's been at war and fighting for its survival"? Ignoring that that isn't English, precisely 1 game in the trilogy has been about war.

The game has been building up to a dark, sad ending? Wat? Maybe if you horrifically fail at every turn, sure. I had no idea that shooting bottles with Garrus was dark. Or rejoicing on Tuchanka after curing the genophage. Or making peace between the quarians and geth on Rannoch. 

Funny how you talk about war as if nothing good can come from it.

[IIEquillibriumII]

o Ventus wrote...

IIEquillibriumII wrote...

There's no ¨Happines¨ in war, and Genocide for that matter, no matter how the outcome is, ¨war¨ never has a heppy ending.

im perfectly fine with the ending being sad and abit dark, couse thats what the whole game have been building it up to, i dont like the endings, but the feeling you get from it, the sadness and so on, fits perfectly to a universe whos been at war and fighting for its survival.

"A universe who's been at war and fighting for its survival"? Ignoring that that isn't English, precisely 1 game in the trilogy has been about war.

The game has been building up to a dark, sad ending? Wat? Maybe if you horrifically fail at every turn, sure. I had no idea that shooting bottles with Garrus was dark. Or rejoicing on Tuchanka after curing the genophage. Or making peace between the quarians and geth on Rannoch. 

Funny how you talk about war as if nothing good can come from it.

Did i mock you at any point? couse it seems to me like i offended you ¨ Ignoring that that isn't English¨ but i'll let it slide, if you think about it, it have, we can't beat them conventionaly, the distruction, chaos, refugees, and i wasent, referring to the other games, as i can see i specificly said ¨game¨ and as you're topic implies it says ¨Mass effect 3¨ so i dont see why you are referring to the other games? and i didnt say nothing good can come out of a war, i said theres no happines about War nor genocide. people can still have a good time while there is a war on, sure i get that, but that is beside my point. 
 
¨There's no Happines in war, and Genocide for that matter¨  

Modifié par IIEquillibriumII, 27 janvier 2013 - 02:19 .

[GimmeDaGun]

o Ventus wrote...

IIEquillibriumII wrote...

There's no ¨Happines¨ in war, and Genocide for that matter, no matter how the outcome is, ¨war¨ never has a heppy ending.

im perfectly fine with the ending being sad and abit dark, couse thats what the whole game have been building it up to, i dont like the endings, but the feeling you get from it, the sadness and so on, fits perfectly to a universe whos been at war and fighting for its survival.

"A universe who's been at war and fighting for its survival"? Ignoring that that isn't English, precisely 1 game in the trilogy has been about war.

The game has been building up to a dark, sad ending? Wat? Maybe if you horrifically fail at every turn, sure. I had no idea that shooting bottles with Garrus was dark. Or rejoicing on Tuchanka after curing the genophage. Or making peace between the quarians and geth on Rannoch. 

Funny how you talk about war as if nothing good can come from it.

I'm only reading this thread and don't mean to interfere, since I like the ending but reading your post I have two objections I have to share:

1st: Why do you mock someone for not using English properly, with perfect grammar? This is a forum for people from various countries, and last I checked there were only a handful of countries in the world where English is the native language. So people who are from countries of different languages (like I'm being from Hungary... if you've heard of it) tend to make grammatical mistakes from time to time. This is a very weak and distasteful attempt to humble someone who does not share your views. 

2nd: You seem to be an experienced expert of the topic, judging by your last sentence. Please enlighten me: what good can come from war?! I'm only a humble medical doctor, so I have no idea what good can come out of a historic situation of mass murder, aggression and suffering. But I must have missed something. 


Happy posting!

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 27 janvier 2013 - 02:45 .

[AB Souldier]

InvincibleHero wrote...

ajsrise wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

Define happy ending. Yours is different than mine and almost anyone else's. It does have a happy ending to me as the reaper threat is ended. The majority of the ME universe is far better off than if the harvesting was never halted.

Thread title should read why can't Mass effect 3 end the way most people want.

I defined my meaning of a happy ending in the post. So did most of the people here.
The idea was to bring peoples meaning of a happy ending and peice it together.

And i fixed it for you.

You're a bit lacking on evidence for that. The truth is you want it to end your way and someone else wants it to end their way. Yes some people intersect in their wants. there may be a hundred thousand that has such rage but evidently not as I am sure 100,000 didn't vent their hate here where it would serve best. Most either liked it, found it acceptable, average for a game, or were apathetic to how it ended as they did not seek out even making their feelings known on it. The amount of people hating on the ending is a subset and not a majority at all.

But i am not hating on the ending, and most of the people aren't hating on the ending. We just want a more happy, and emotional ending. I got closure from the EC, but i don't believe that is enough. I believe that if ME3 will be the final game of the trilogy and we wont hear from or play shepard again, the game should end in a more happy, and emotionaly satisfying way other then the bittersweet ending bioware chose to go with.
I totally love all 3 mass effects and respect everyones opinion even if it isn't the same as mine.
Sure, i guess some people found the ending ok, i am sure by the evidence  i see from comments and other stuff online that most people would prefer a happy, more emotional ending then the one we have currently. 

[fiendishchicken]

Reorte wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

It is a game about war and genocide. Perhaps that should have suggested slightly less optimistic lines, hm.

Your point being...? I don't see exactly what "WAR!" does to ruin any chance of a "happy" ending.

Apparently no-one involved in a war can ever have any sort of personal happiness ever again (because apparently that's "unrealistic".)

As a veteran, I know how absolutely untrue that is.

That notion that people are implying is downright insulting and disgusting.

[o Ventus]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

1st: Why do you mock someone for not using English properly, with perfect grammar? This is a forum for people from various countries, and last I checked there were only a handful of countries in the world where English is the native language. So people who are from countries of different languages (like I'm being from Hungary... if you've heard of it) tend to make grammatic mistakes from time to time. This is a very weak and distasteful attempt to humble someone who does not share your views.

My first point in reponse to that person was more that the story of ME was not a war story. My pointing out the mistake on the other user's post was just me being a douche.

2nd: You seem to be an experienced expert of the topic, judging by your last sentence. Please enlighten me: what good can come from war?! I'm only a humble medical doctor, so I have no idea what good can come out of a historic situation of mass murder, aggression and suffering. But I must have missed something. 

The mass increase of industry following Pearl Harbor pulled the United States out of the Great Depression. Research taken from the various extermination camps set up by the Germans in WWII furthered our existing medical research by a great deal. Operation Paperclip and the Allies' eventual use of German rocket technology led to the Space Race and the moon landings.

Those are just 3 examples, all from WWII, which is correctly regarded as the most destructive conflict in human history.

War is most certainly not good for the people involved, but on a global scale, great things can (read: "can", not "will") come from it.

Modifié par o Ventus, 27 janvier 2013 - 02:55 .

[GimmeDaGun]

o Ventus wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

1st: Why do you mock someone for not using English properly, with perfect grammar? This is a forum for people from various countries, and last I checked there were only a handful of countries in the world where English is the native language. So people who are from countries of different languages (like I'm being from Hungary... if you've heard of it) tend to make grammatic mistakes from time to time. This is a very weak and distasteful attempt to humble someone who does not share your views.

My first point in reponse to that person was more that the story of ME was not a war story. My pointing out the mistake on the other user's post was just me being a douche.

2nd: You seem to be an experienced expert of the topic, judging by your last sentence. Please enlighten me: what good can come from war?! I'm only a humble medical doctor, so I have no idea what good can come out of a historic situation of mass murder, aggression and suffering. But I must have missed something. 

The mass increase of industry following Pearl Harbor pulled the United States out of the Great Depression. Research taken from the various extermination camps set up by the Germans in WWII furthered our existing medical research by a great deal. Operation Paperclip and the Allies' eventual use of German rocket technology led to the Space Race and the moon landings.

Those are just 3 a few examples, all from WWII, which is correctly regarded as the most destructive conflict in human history.

War is most certainly not good for the people involved, but on a global scale, great things can (read: "can", not "will") come from it.

Fair enough. Not, nice at all, but it seems you see that too...

Well, my view on war is quite different. I'm far from being a notorious pacificst, or anything, but I don't consider those things morally or in any way "good" (only useful at best), since hundreds of thousands or even millions had to suffer and die to let a part(!) of humanity benefit from those technical or economical advantages which the war produced (mostly for the victor). I take any human life over any kind of advantage humanity can gain from wars. But that's me.

[Peranor]

Reorte wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

It is a game about war and genocide. Perhaps that should have suggested slightly less optimistic lines, hm.

Your point being...? I don't see exactly what "WAR!" does to ruin any chance of a "happy" ending.

Apparently no-one involved in a war can ever have any sort of personal happiness ever again (because apparently that's "unrealistic".)

Apparently it is so, hell if I knew why though