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[Sam Anders]

magnetite wrote...

Unless it's a good quality ending. Then it doesn't matter whether
it's happy or sad, then it's still good. They IMHO couldn't pull that
off.

Atleast with a happy ending, you don't need a brilliant
mindblowing ending because most people will still walk away on a
somewhat happy note.

Well this is how they decided to end their story. Kind of like the writer to a book or movie can choose to end their work how they wish (I heard Harry Potter didn't satisfy some, but they didn't feel the need to have the writer change it. They at least had the guts to respect the work of the person who made it).

The term good quality ending is subjective, because everyone has their own views on what a good quality ending is. Howevever, I think it's just a case of not using all the information in the game to understand what actually happened. Simply put, they even said that the ending can be explained by the information in the game.



There we go. There may have been more to it than people realized.

Look. You have to stop comparing this to a book or movie or whatever. Those don't have choices and we were told our choices affect the ending. They don't.

[Motherlander]

magnetite wrote...

Doesn't fit the theme of the series. Why does every game, story have to have a cliche Hollywood kind of ending anyways? (eg. happy ending, big action sequence at the end (Priority Earth rewrite), guy rides off into the sunset with LI or has babies and such, which several fan fiction was pointing to).

Glad Bioware tried to do something a little different. People are afraid of change.

I take the opposite view. If BW had treated the ME ending like Hollywood blockbuster, the ending would probably be better.

That does not mean the hero has to live. In Armageddon the hero dies. But at least we see him having a teerful goodbye with his daughter before pressing the button, giving a personal meaning to his sacrifice.

That personal element was missing in ME3.

Modifié par Motherlander, 19 janvier 2013 - 06:45 .

[78stonewobble]

magnetite wrote...
Well this is how they decided to end their story. Kind of like the writer to a book or movie can choose to end their work how they wish (I heard Harry Potter didn't satisfy some, but they didn't feel the need to have the writer change it. They at least had the guts to respect the work of the person who made it).

The term good quality ending is subjective, because everyone has their own views on what a good quality ending is. Howevever, I think it's just a case of not using all the information in the game to understand what actually happened. Simply put, they even said that the ending can be explained by the information in the game.

Offcourse that is their right.

Just as it is my right to point out that I find xyz of bad quality. Should I lie about my oppinion? Would that be "gutsy"?

It is as you say subjective. Meaning there is no right and wrong. Which in turn should make my oppinion irrelevant and people shouldn't take offence at it automatically.

Unless it was partly their aim for me to find their work good. Then it makes my oppinion relevant.

Yes I agree that the ending can be explained ingame and the ec helped even more.

However, that doesn't mean it's an intelligent and/or meaningfull and/or emotionally engaging ending.

For me, the ending needs one or more of the above, to range from average over good to mindblowingly good.

PS: An ending that would have left it to the imagination would have stopped at shepard making it to the beam.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 19 janvier 2013 - 06:54 .

[Reorte]

magnetite wrote...

Well they did say the endings were one of the many non-literal parts of the game.

"There are elements of Mass Effect 3 that are meant to have non-literal interpretations. The hope is that these things provide thought-provoking discussion about the themes of the story and the motivations of characters. As such, we would prefer not to comment on players’ interpretations of these elements, since it would ruin the enjoyment of such discussion by suggesting there is a single, concrete way of viewing them."

Pseudointellectual nonsense that's at odds with the rest of the series that had thankfully managed to steer clear of such claptrap.

[TheBigLebowski]

That's the reason I like movies from Europe better, more dramatic and realistic endings. I don't like that Hollywood garbage. Most of the time.

[Motherlander]

magnetite wrote...
Shepard destroys the Reapers, so that the rest of the galaxy can live in peace without the looming threat of Reapers. Sounds like the same thing to me. Not to mention, you got to say goodbye to everyone when you were at London. This was a story that was built up as the war to end all wars. It's a suicide mission. May not be coming back, and there may not be a home to come back to for everyone. It's grim, but it fits what I said earlier about the Reapers being too powerful.

Sorry not good enough. Not for me at least.

I have no problem with your first sentence, but I disagree with the rest.

the goodbyes in London are way too far before the climax and do not count as a true ending farewell. For a farewell to have impact it must happen at the point of sacrifice. Not 2 hours before in game time.

there is no reason why Shep could not have had one last emotional conversation with one chosen squad member before making his choice. Except money of course.

it clearly doesn't matter to you. But it dies matter to me.

[Motherlander]

magnetite wrote...


Issue I have here, is how long as people going to keep going on about this? It's 2013. The game's ending was back in March 2012. I'd say, probably time to move on.

People could probably go on about this until they are gray old men (or women) in nursing homes, but sooner or later you have to accept it.

And that is why BW got in such a big mess. They didn't realise it would happen either. They proved they have no empathy with and no understanding of much if their fan base.

and it looks like you don't understand that part of the fan base either.

[78stonewobble]

magnetite wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...
Offcourse that is their right.

Just as it is my right to point out that I find xyz of bad quality. Should I lie about my oppinion? Would that be "gutsy"?

Issue I have here, is how long as people going to keep going on about this? It's 2013. The game's ending was back in March 2012. I'd say, probably time to move on.

People could probably go on about this until they are gray old men (or women) in nursing homes, but sooner or later you have to accept it.

Well acceptance of the state of things is one thing. It's not like I whine about the mass effect 3 ending to random strangers in the supermarket.  Or spend much time pondering it outside of here.

However this is the "me3 story and campaign" discussion forum in a topic named "why cant mass effect 3 have a happy ending".

So naturally my problems with the ending will pop up.

The ending haven't changed, I haven't changed and thus my point of view remains the status quo.

A bad movie from 83 will still be a bad movie in 2023. Unless you yourself have changed.

[Mcfly616]

Sam Anders wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Unless it's a good quality ending. Then it doesn't matter whether
it's happy or sad, then it's still good. They IMHO couldn't pull that
off.

Atleast with a happy ending, you don't need a brilliant
mindblowing ending because most people will still walk away on a
somewhat happy note.

Well this is how they decided to end their story. Kind of like the writer to a book or movie can choose to end their work how they wish (I heard Harry Potter didn't satisfy some, but they didn't feel the need to have the writer change it. They at least had the guts to respect the work of the person who made it).

The term good quality ending is subjective, because everyone has their own views on what a good quality ending is. Howevever, I think it's just a case of not using all the information in the game to understand what actually happened. Simply put, they even said that the ending can be explained by the information in the game.



There we go. There may have been more to it than people realized.

Look. You have to stop comparing this to a book or movie or whatever. Those don't have choices and we were told our choices affect the ending. They don't.

I would love to see a link that says "all of your choices throughout the trilogy will accumulate and form your own unique ending....."


I'm pretty sure that was just a widely shared assumption.

Your choices do however, affect your entire playthrough of ME3 and the way it plays out. In the end, you are faced with one final choice to decide the future of the galaxy. I guess you could say your final choice does indeed affect the ending.

[MinatheBrat]

I believe the reason ME3 doesn't have a happy ending is because I think BW was trying to accomplish something with the story other than simply making a good game and allowing the player to "win" the game.

Somewhere along the way, probably due to its popularity, and talks about Mass Effect movies, and comics and novels, etc, etc, ME3 became more about the story that BW wanted to tell, and less about being an awesome game that was fully in the hands of the players. This is also why we have so much less choice in ME3 and so much cinematics and autodialogue and why Shepard was never really in player control like ME1 and 2.

For me personally, it means that I can't really trust a BW game to not have some sort of other agenda for the storyline, so I'm wary about DA3 and ME4. I really want reviews and chats with friends first to make sure its a full-out winnable game with happy endings before I involve myself.

Modifié par MinatheBrat, 19 janvier 2013 - 07:35 .

[78stonewobble]

magnetite wrote...

Motherlander wrote...
Sorry not good enough. Not for me at least.

This is another issue that I have. See, they gave you a free extended version of the ending, but people saying stuff such as "not good enough", makes them kind of look like a bunch of spoiled entitled brats. Someone works hard for 3 months, releases something to you for free (which they could have made you pay for), you should be more thankful. A lot of places won't go through that kind of trouble to appease customers.

In closing, with this being the third game, I think people had pretty high expectations, and when those expectations weren't met, they were disappointed.

I'd hate to see what would happen if someone worked on a project (in real life) for 5 years, had a bump in the last year, and the project didn't work out as planned, because that's the same thing people are describing with the ending.

How would they deal with it? If it was like this, well, I honestly don't know.

Well thats kinda the problem.

Atleast from my part the problem with the endings were deep and rooted in the underlying story for that part. Not something they could easily fix later on.

So I pretty much accepted the state of things there.

To be honest though. The extended cut did make the ending we got better. Quite a bit. That I'm greatfull for. 

I did have high, too high even, expectations. So a certain letdown from that was atleast partially expected on top of everything else. However I just think that the game series deserved an, in my oppinion, better ending that it got. 

Please note. I've never said that the ending sucks and that means me3 sucks and thus bioware sucks. 

I like me3 and the other games. I'm glad bioware made those games. 

It's not a personal critique. It's not a generalising critique. It's a critique of specific things I think could have been better. 

And I'd have it no other way myself. If I do something stupid or could do something better I'd wanna know about it.
 

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 19 janvier 2013 - 07:37 .

[Mathias]

"Why does the sun come up? Or are the stars just pinholes in the curtain of night? Who knows?"

But what I do know is that because Bioware let their pride get the best of them, they've forever damaged their reputation and trust with their fanbase. The franchise still has it's fans, but there are a lot less of them nowadays because of Bioware's foolish mistake and stubbornness to properly correct that mistake.

And now they're going to walk away from that mistake, and act like everything will fix itself. Good luck to them on that. I wonder if they'll be able to fit the pieces together while they're scratching their heads, wondering where a lot of their customers went during DA3 and ME4's release.

[Mathias]

magnetite wrote...

It states the third game as the end. People need to stop looking at the last 5 minutes as the end. I think that's the problem here. You were not misled or anything.

Straight from the developers

I've never heard of a 25 hour ending. Stop being ridiculous. I was not concluding the story when i was escaping Earth, nor when I was dancing with Jack. The ending to this game was in the last 30 minutes. I'll stretch it out to the beam run, to be fair. But the full f-ing game? No.

They misled us on a lot of things, no matter how you want to twist it or use the "technically" argument. The fact is they overhyped their game by stretching the truth and flat out lying on some things.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 19 janvier 2013 - 07:51 .

[Asch Lavigne]

I was fine with Shepard dying, truthfully if all endings has Shep living that would have been lame.

[Mathias]

magnetite wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...
But what I do know is that because Bioware let their pride get the best of them, they've forever damaged their reputation and trust with their fanbase. The franchise still has it's fans, but there are a lot less of them nowadays because of Bioware's foolish mistake and stubbornness to properly correct that mistake.

And now they're going to walk away from that mistake, and act like everything will fix itself. Good luck to them on that. I wonder if they'll be able to fit the pieces together while they're scratching their heads, wondering where a lot of their customers went during DA3 and ME4's release.

We'll see how that turns out, however, history shows us that if Leviathan didn't sell well (eg. as you put it, people didn't buy their games), Omega wouldn't have been made. If Omega didn't sell well, the next DLC that's coming out wouldn't have been made.

Leviathan and Omega didn't sell that well last time i checked. I also never said people didn't buy their games, you're misquoting me.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 19 janvier 2013 - 07:53 .

[78stonewobble]

Well any sort of boycot I find silly.

If bioware comes out with something good the only one I'll hurt by not buying it is myself. I'd rather be enjoying good stuff then that.

Subconsciously though I'm a bit weary about buying stuff from them. I'll need to hear more good things about it first than previously before buying.

[Motherlander]

magnetite wrote...

This is another issue that I have. See, they gave you a free extended version of the ending, but people saying stuff such as "not good enough", makes them kind of look like a bunch of spoiled entitled brats. Someone works hard for 3 months, releases something to you for free (which they could have made you pay for), you should be more thankful. A lot of places won't go through that kind of trouble to appease customers.

well, lets see. How many hours did I spend playing ME1 and 2. Perhaps 300 hours of my life. And many of these were on multiple playthroughs so I could experience all these multiple endings that didn't materialise.

Also, I bought all the DLC for ME 1 and 2 on the basis the ending would be worthwhile. So I have spent a lot of money and time on the basis that the ending would be worthwhile.

So sorry. I have a right to express my discontent. I am entitled to complain from the money and time I have spent and for the misguided faith I put into BW.

the EC was an improvement and BW deserve some credit for Thst. But it is still not good enough. For me that is the truth.

[Mathias]

78stonewobble wrote...

Well any sort of boycot I find silly.

If bioware comes out with something good the only one I'll hurt by not buying it is myself. I'd rather be enjoying good stuff then that.

Subconsciously though I'm a bit weary about buying stuff from them. I'll need to hear more good things about it first than previously before buying.

And there ya go. I can split the Bioware fans into 3 groups of people:

1. People who will buy their games day 1, without question.
2. People who will wait for word of mouth before buying their games.
3. People who refuse to buy their games.

I would say there's less of #1, and a lot more of #2 and #3 nowadays.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 19 janvier 2013 - 07:55 .