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[Callie K]

...is, I think, when Morrigan and Dog interact and there's an option to tell Morrigan that a dead animal "couldn't be stinkier than what usually goes into" her underwear.

Get it? lol.  Women's sex organs smell like fish.  Or dead animals.  Or something gross. 

Mmm...smells like misogyny.

I'm pretty sure I'm not being a hardline feminist here saying this line is specifically expressing hatred for women's genitals.  It's not like I don't call crap when people say "lolol the penis is so ugly" (especially "lolol the uncircumsized penis is so ugly") and happily support the artists I know actively working to take the perception of obscenity from male nudes in art andthe  American media.  However, Dragon Age in particular doesn't have a throwaway line (that I know of) describing men's sex organs as an object for disgust.

[Bhatair]

>.>



*slowly backs out of the thread*

[David Gaider]

Callie K wrote...
Mmm...smells like misogyny.

And yet a female writer wrote it?

[Herr Uhl]

David Gaider wrote...

Callie K wrote...
Mmm...smells like misogyny.

And yet a female writer wrote it?

Self hatred?

[JRCHOharry]

Im sure you're able to tell Leliana to "shut up and help alistair with supper". I thought that was cruel and hilarious...

[robertthebard]

There is also, of course, the distinct possibility that the line is a direct reference to Morrigan, who is, after all, a Witch of the Wilds, and probably hasn't had a lot of experience with feminine hygiene products, if any?



As one that has actually chosen that line, after making sure my approval rating was high enough to survive any possible negative impact, I can tell you that her reaction is less than yours.

[Bhatair]

Herr Uhl wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Callie K wrote...
Mmm...smells like misogyny.

And yet a female writer wrote it?

Self hatred?

Or the endearing ability to laugh at ones self.

[Kepha]

It could just be a poop joke.

[DreGregoire]

Wow, seriously? I just found that line humorous I didn't take it as a hateful line against women. All perspective I suppose

[ArathWoeeye]

I don't think there is anything to be offended here. It's just a line in the game. There are many lines that mock men as well as women, although not directed at genitals. I find it weird that of all things one gets offended at the genital smell...



And I didn't take it that way. I thought "going into underwear" as "get in someone's pants", as in, having an intercourse. So Warden may be mocking her taste of men... or whatever Morrigan found in the forest without any humans around. Either case, it was more of a mocking line on Morrigan's personal story rather than an insult meant at women.

[tarsiak]

Wasn't it about what she's got in her tent/ stuff rather than underwear? Or I suppose my language version got "toned down".

[David Gaider]

Bhatair wrote...
Or the endearing ability to laugh at ones self.

Which the OP clearly lacks.

Sorry, but my impression is that this was just meant as an amusing poke at Morrigan -- I didn't even get the impression that the player needs to be serious when he/she says it. If we aren't "equal opportunity" enough to also include disparaging remarks about male genitalia then I guess we'll just have to bear that heavy burden.

[Ariella]

Okay.... someone's a little too touchy. Yes, it's an insult, but it's not a reference to ALL women. It's specific to Morrigan. I find the insult no different than when you're talking to Alistair about his virginity and the option comes up to say to him that the PC assumes he hasn't had sex yet because he doesn't have the parts for it.

[Erakleitos]

So this topic is about http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Putrescine ?

[Callie K]

David Gaider wrote...

Callie K wrote...
Mmm...smells like misogyny.

And yet a female writer wrote it?

That's more or less irrelevent.  Institutionalized sexism affects both male and female behavior.  If you're suggesting women don't behave in misogynistic ways you have only to look as far as the popularity of, say, tabloid magazines and how women in the American culture have been trained to tear each other down to enhance their own feelings of desirability and self-worth.

Projecting the idea that Morrigan's a **** and her genitals are gross, as the game as a whole allows the player to do with a variety of 'funny' lines, is still objectionable whether the script is written by a man or a woman.

[Addai]

a) Maybe someone might actually want to roleplay a misogynist?



It's only misogynistic if you want it to be. There are plenty of lines about Alistair's hygiene and that doesn't mean it's anti-male to have them in the dialogue. Me, I am not the kind of person who goes around looking for misogyny under every rock. YMMV.

[.Faine]

I found that line hilarious... and I'm female. I think the OP is reading too much into it. It's there purely as a dig at Morrigan in return for all the remarks she'll happily throw around about the player character, not as an attack on women everywhere.

[TSamee]

To be honest, the only reason I don't hate that line is because it's utterly hilarious XD

Misogyny? I find it to be an ill-placed, crass joke, but it's the only one of its kind. While you DO take quite a bit of crap as a female Warden, you can't really be a complete mysogynist as a male. And, if it makes you feel any better, the vast majority of players (me, everybody else), having been wrapped around Morrigan's finger, didn't pick that line.

Being a feminist in DA2 would kick ass though (this is coming from a male here...).

You could **** repeatedly over any remark that a male makes, and viciously beat back advances from male party members

No offense intended, obviously. I'm not including the more moderate, "strong woman" type of feminist, as, by essentially leading the charge against the Darkspawn horde and taking tough decisions over the men in your party, you're being that anyway.

EDIT All right, screw it. It is a little bit crass, but so are most immature, funny thinks. Damn great line, love BW writers for understanding that, deep inside, we all need a bit of humour like this

Modifié par TSamee, 08 janvier 2010 - 04:42 .

[robertthebard]

David Gaider wrote...

Bhatair wrote...
Or the endearing ability to laugh at ones self.

Which the OP clearly lacks.

Sorry, but my impression is that this was just meant as an amusing poke at Morrigan -- I didn't even get the impression that the player needs to be serious when he/she says it. If we aren't "equal opportunity" enough to also include disparaging remarks about male genitalia then I guess we'll just have to bear that heavy burden.

Considering Morrigan's response; "I'm just going to pretend I didn't hear that", roughly, I don't she was very offended either.  I expected to get nuked to oblivion, both in the cutscene, and approval.  End result on approval?  Zero, she didn't have any reaction other than the above line.

[Stereoscoptic]

Your interpretation never even occurred to me. I also figured it was a poop joke.

[tarsiak]

Well the game is made by people, for people. And we know people have vices. Like reading too much into context.

[Callie K]

Addai67 wrote...

a) Maybe someone might actually want to roleplay a misogynist?

It's only misogynistic if you want it to be. There are plenty of lines about Alistair's hygiene and that doesn't mean it's anti-male to have them in the dialogue. Me, I am not the kind of person who goes around looking for misogyny under every rock. YMMV.

a) is a great idea.  Being able to act out misogynistic and, hey, why not racist fantasies in a video game would certainly invite an unprecedented level of realism into a game.

Hmmm, I'll definitely reemmber the "it's only _____ when you want it to be" line for other instances of sexism, racism, ableism, ageism. etc.  Everybody knows women and minorities only need to learn to take a joke and equality will come along naturally.

[Ariella]

Callie K wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Callie K wrote...
Mmm...smells like misogyny.

And yet a female writer wrote it?

That's more or less irrelevent.  Institutionalized sexism affects both male and female behavior.  If you're suggesting women don't behave in misogynistic ways you have only to look as far as the popularity of, say, tabloid magazines and how women in the American culture have been trained to tear each other down to enhance their own feelings of desirability and self-worth.

Projecting the idea that Morrigan's a **** and her genitals are gross, as the game as a whole allows the player to do with a variety of 'funny' lines, is still objectionable whether the script is written by a man or a woman.

Oh get over yourself, Callie. It is ONE optional line of what 4 or 5. This game isn't politically correct if you haven't noticed.

[CarlSpackler]

Inability to laugh at what was obviously a joke coupled with self importance. 

Of course, here's to hoping the OP is just stirring the pot because he or she is bored.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Callie K wrote...

...is, I think, when Morrigan and Dog interact and there's an option to tell Morrigan that a dead animal "couldn't be stinkier than what usually goes into" her underwear.

Get it? lol.  Women's sex organs smell like fish.  Or dead animals.  Or something gross. 

Mmm...smells like misogyny.

Or maybe it's because everybody ass stinks. Why specifically women? Besides, the female warden can say it too. It is just a jab at Morrigan herself.

AND STOP USING THE WORD MISOOGYNY. It's a very specific term, and it seems to be thrown about a lot, even when it's just about regular sexism, or in this case, not sexism at all.

The keyword is ''hate''. Not all sexists hate women, they just look down on them.