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Buff Justicar Bubble!

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Posté 20 janvier 2013 - 05:33

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Who needs a defensive bubble when you have Volus now with Shield boost? It's slow to set up, little radius and in normal waves - not useful much, only on hacks or drone escorts.  

And offensive bubble is not that great either considering we have Acolyte now. Again, it's very situational, on open maps even more so, enemies tend to avoid it. Fast enemies just warp trough or run trough it faster than you can cast Reave on them. 

Plus the casting animation is slow, and you can easily be staggered out of it or you cancel it yourself when you need to dodge at the same time. Bubble + Reave BE's are not that powerful either.  

Defensive bubble should have a bigger radius + better bonus (shield from swarmers and seekers)

Offensive bubble should either make more powerful BE's or targets should be primed for 3-5 seconds after entering it and leaving it or you should be able to do BE's non stop as long as the target is in the bubble, not limited to 2. Or it could slowdown enemies by a considarable ammount so keeping them in the bubble is easier. 

Modifié par Air Quotes, 21 janvier 2013 - 06:01 .

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ToLazy4Name
Posté 20 janvier 2013 - 05:35

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I think a bigger radius is a reasonable request.

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PsychoticBiotic
Posté 20 janvier 2013 - 05:36

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Couldn't agree more. I don't even use the Justicar any more. What's the point.

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Posté 20 janvier 2013 - 05:37

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Hell yeah... I've been speccing out of the Bubble lately. Gimme a reason to Bubble BioWARE!

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IllusiveManJr
Posté 20 janvier 2013 - 05:38

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I love the Justicar, but her Biotic Sphere needs an overhaul now that the Volus with Shield Boost is out. You're right.

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Hyperglide
Posté 20 janvier 2013 - 05:42

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I think they should buff the radius I agree. Make the current radius evo the standard size and make the buffed size like 7-8 yards approximately. This would also help with the offensive bubble and nuking spawn points or holding a choke-point.

DR. seems fine if you spec it for that. 40% is pretty significant. Maybe buff each evo by 15% instead of 10%.

Make the recharge rate for shields and barriers 20%. The same as Volus Shield Boost..

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Zjarcal
Posté 20 janvier 2013 - 05:42

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Yea I gotta agree with everything there. I do like the bubble and still use it, but it is very situational, defensive bubble in particular is the one that needs more attention imo.

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Stabby McGoodstab
Posté 20 janvier 2013 - 05:46

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I think, I may be wrong, but I think the Warp effect on the Bubble is equivalent to a level 1 Warp, leading to some pretty weak explosions.

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Posté 20 janvier 2013 - 05:47

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Stabby McGoodstab wrote...

I think, I may be wrong, but I think the Warp effect on the Bubble is equivalent to a level 1 Warp, leading to some pretty weak explosions.

 

If often doesn't even kill a low level health mook in 1 explosion. 

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Posté 20 janvier 2013 - 05:48

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The Justicar is basically a sucky Drell Adept. Needs a buff all round TBH.

Reave is awesome, no problem with it. Pull sucks, garbage power.

Bubble is useful on occasion, but as a detonator/primer it's fairly worthless. So the AJA is basically an AoE primer with no reliable detonator. The only real way to make her good is to put a high powered weapon with warp ammo on her and then reave & headshot.

Might as well be a soldier.

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Posté 20 janvier 2013 - 05:48

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The offensive bubble is fine, seeing as I can chain explosions continuously with almost no effort. The defensie bubble though...

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Posté 20 janvier 2013 - 05:50

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Make it block seeker swarms...
Biower
Pls

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Posté 20 janvier 2013 - 05:53

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mybudgee wrote...

Make it block seeker swarms...
Biower
Pls


make it block rocket trooper missile

Biower
Prs

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Lord Rosario
Posté 20 janvier 2013 - 05:54

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Hit them with Reave FIRST then move in and use the bubble. There's your Biotic explosion. Then toss another reave in it. Another boom. Also effects multiple enemies with a single cast and is quite handy for getting things in cover near you without having to move out into view.

Edit: Not every biotic needs to be an explosion spammer either. With reave and that bubble, the Justicar can have upwards of 80% damage reduction. She's the only character that can do that besides maybe a Krogan in rage. Would have to check..

Modifié par Lord Rosario, 20 janvier 2013 - 05:57 .

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Posté 20 janvier 2013 - 05:55

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Tyrannus00 wrote...

The offensive bubble is fine, seeing as I can chain explosions continuously with almost no effort. The defensie bubble though...

 

No effort? Try and set up a killzone on a large open map like Rio. Watch enemies go everywhere, but NOT in your bubble. Watch Dragoons, Praetorians, Bashees, Hunters zip trough it in no time. And you can only do 2 weak'ish explosions on the same target. Also you have to kamikaze run everytime to set it up. And even with 40% DR from Reave, the Justicar is not super tanky, because she's pretty slow.  

Drell Adept or Fury will clear 3 spawns faster then the Justicar deals with 1. 

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Stabby McGoodstab
Posté 20 janvier 2013 - 05:55

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Brainstorm:

Instead of Warp, the Bubble uses Throw. It won't prime targets, but it can still detonate with Reave and stagger / toss weaker enemies, making it serve as area denial.

Make it automatically destroy slow projectiles (rockets, warps) that would cross the bubble.

Make it automatically destroy Swarmers and Seeker Swarms, just for flavor.

Make it sustainable-ish like the Paladin shield. Stronger buffs while sustained but the Justicar can't attack and can only move slowly (pizza pace). It'll be a lot like the long walk from ME2.

Give enemies inside the bubble a powerful slow effect (-50% or -75%) so they actually stay in there and it can be used to protect a flank.

Modifié par Stabby McGoodstab, 20 janvier 2013 - 05:57 .

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Posté 20 janvier 2013 - 05:56

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Lord Rosario wrote...

Hit them with Reave FIRST then move in and use the bubble. There's your Biotic explosion. Then toss another reave in it. Another boom. Also effects multiple enemies with a single cast and is quite handy for getting things in cover near you without having to move out into view.

 

Because running all the way into an enemy spawn with a non-tanky character to set off one or two of the weakest BE's in the entire game is an efficient way of killing things? It's fun to do for a little bit, but the novelty wears off very quickly.

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Posté 20 janvier 2013 - 05:56

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Lord Rosario wrote...

Hit them with Reave FIRST then move in and use the bubble. There's your Biotic explosion. Then toss another reave in it. Another boom. Also effects multiple enemies with a single cast and is quite handy for getting things in cover near you without having to move out into view.

 

I know that. Still very dangerous stuff, for pretty low and slow payoff. 

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Posté 20 janvier 2013 - 05:57

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Could you add Supply Pylon to the title and OP?

I think these two powers suffer from the same problems. One of them which you did not mention is that the addition of Collectors, Dragoons, and Bombers have largely invalidated any kind of defensive tactics.

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Posté 20 janvier 2013 - 05:58

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I always thought doing the bubble-in-the-face detonations was not really worth the effort. You can do almost as much damage by continuing to spam Reave... from safety.

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Posté 20 janvier 2013 - 05:58

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Air Quotes wrote...

Tyrannus00 wrote...

The offensive bubble is fine, seeing as I can chain explosions continuously with almost no effort. The defensie bubble though...

 

No effort? Try and set up a killzone on a large open map like Rio. Watch enemies go everywhere, but NOT in your bubble. Watch Dragoons, Praetorians, Bashees, Hunters zip trough it in no time. And you can only do 2 weak'ish explosions on the same target. Also you have to kamikaze run everytime to set it up. And even with 40% DR from Reave, the Justicar is not super tanky, because she's pretty slow.  

Drell Adept or Fury will clear 3 spawns faster then the Justicar deals with 1. 


I don't funnel, I drop it on enemies. I also use a mattock so I can deal damage with warp ammo. Skip on the last carry weight for weapon damage.

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Posté 20 janvier 2013 - 06:00

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Lord_Sirian wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

Hit them with Reave FIRST then move in and use the bubble. There's your Biotic explosion. Then toss another reave in it. Another boom. Also effects multiple enemies with a single cast and is quite handy for getting things in cover near you without having to move out into view.

 

Because running all the way into an enemy spawn with a non-tanky character to set off one or two of the weakest BE's in the entire game is an efficient way of killing things? It's fun to do for a little bit, but the novelty wears off very quickly.


So don't run into spawns...? Use that on smaller groups of enemies? Stay in cover like I suggested? Besides that, the novelty of playing a single character over and over when we have 60 to choose from runs thin quite quick with me for any character. :wizard:

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Posté 20 janvier 2013 - 06:03

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For players like Sirian the Justicar is simply too slow at killing. Also too much effort for small rewards.

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Posté 20 janvier 2013 - 06:04

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Lord Rosario wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

Hit them with Reave FIRST then move in and use the bubble. There's your Biotic explosion. Then toss another reave in it. Another boom. Also effects multiple enemies with a single cast and is quite handy for getting things in cover near you without having to move out into view.

 

Because running all the way into an enemy spawn with a non-tanky character to set off one or two of the weakest BE's in the entire game is an efficient way of killing things? It's fun to do for a little bit, but the novelty wears off very quickly.


So don't run into spawns...? Use that on smaller groups of enemies? Stay in cover like I suggested? Besides that, the novelty of playing a single character over and over when we have 60 to choose from runs thin quite quick with me for any character. :wizard:

 

Right. Let's reave --> bubble for BE's on a group of 2 - 3 enemies, while risking getting gunned down in the process, when we could just reave & shoot them.

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Posté 20 janvier 2013 - 06:05

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I have to agree with everything said here as well. After all, she's a Justicar for crying out loud! They are supposed to be super powerful biotics. I have always thought the bubble should do more than it does but especially now that we have super aggressive enemies. It just doesn't make much sense anymore.

Even with the defensive bubble, you can't do much with it because now days you have to be in constant motion to stay alive. There aren't many opportunities to deploy it and have it make a meaningful difference to the game...unfortunately.
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