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[Grun7mas7er]

Agreed. Anything Biotic Sphere does, Volus does it better. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

+1000000

Asari Justicar is my favorite Adept & I play the defensive Justicar..With the recent buff to enemies the defensive bubble doesn't seem defensive anymore..

[Arni90]

The bubble needs a Warp effect from rank 1.
Evolution 6 could then be to increase Warp damage and biotic explosion damage by 50%

[Untonic]

+1

I want to love the Justicar again.

[Crimson Vanguard]

I like how people try to defend bad powers and weapons.

[Lord Rosario]

Air Quotes wrote...

U Bite My Pillow wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

U Bite My Pillow wrote...
I guess everyone who said that the Bubbles bad hasn't played the mini game with it? I'll explain, you take a Krogan lol and put him in the bubble. He's not allowed to leave the Bubble but he can shoot stuff outside the Bubble.

Me and a friend of mine have done this, he used a Krogan Sent. He would pace the edge of the Bubble like a rabid animal daring anything to come inside. Every so often I'd hear him yell out PLAYTHING! Then a second or two later in a very sad voice he'd say "aw it died". A few seconds later "NEW PLAYTHING!"

But the point is a defensive Bubble paired with a Tank almost makes it indestructable. He was hit by an Atlas rocket and it only took 1 1/2 bars worth of health from his shields. Hell he giggled when Phantoms shot him. For more fun next match we threw in a Geth E defensive turret in there with him.

 

Fast closing insta-kill enemies. No bubble will protect you from those. And keeping the bubble in place for your team is a pain in the ass, when you could be Reaving instead. 

Na, he was using a GPS so Phantoms never got close, and the rest of us ganged up on Atlas's while he distracted them. Plus haven't you noticed most enemies aren't in a big hurry to get in melee range of a Krogan? Hell even Phantoms take their time. 

 

Banshees, Praetorians. Run Krogan run, because this bubble won't save you. 

It's  a minigame. overthinking it. Also, do it on a long staircase or ramp. Set for anything but Collectors.

[Crimson Vanguard]

Air Quotes wrote...

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

I like how people try to defend bad powers and weapons.

 

It's not bad. But it's doesn't hold up to new kids on the block. LIke the Fury. 

Lol I skipped it and just go Pull + Reave with Acolyte + Harrier/Wraith

[Crimson Vanguard]

Air Quotes wrote...

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

I like how people try to defend bad powers and weapons.

 

It's not bad. But it's doesn't hold up to new kids on the block. LIke the Fury. 

Lol I skipped it and just go Pull + Reave with Acolyte + Harrier/Wraith

 

That's what most people do now. Bubble is too slow, too situational to take, when Fitness, passive weapon damage always work for you. 

Plus Im already mastered the technique of Pull/Lash on Phantom 

[The Renegade Fem-Shep]

Is....is this thread for real? I constantly use the Justicar on Gold and have no problem. The Double-Bubble is amazing. Name ONE other power that primes, detonates, gives damage reduction, is a 'fire and forget' AND had a massive AoE?

Her shields are also significantly higher than other asari and reave with Biotic Sphere on top of that makes her extremely durable in a firefight. Add in her weight reduction and with a decently leveled harrier she becomes quite a force to reckon with.

Modifié par Morugatu, 20 janvier 2013 - 09:58 .

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Reave?

[Shinnyshin]

Morugatu wrote...

Is....is this thread for real? I constantly use the Justicar on Gold and have no problem. The Double-Bubble is amazing. Name ONE other power that primes, detonates, gives damage reduction, is a 'fire and forget' AND had a massive AoE?

Reave.  Plus Reave is 6x the Primer/Detonator that Bubble is.

Morugatu wrote...Her shields are also significantly higher than other asari and reave with Biotic Sphere on top of that makes her extremely durable in a firefight. Add in her weight reduction and with a decently leveled harrier she becomes quite a force to reckon with.

And you can't say the same about anybody else using a Harrier?

[The Renegade Fem-Shep]

Reave is quite a small AoE by comparison and does not set off tech bursts not to mention does not impart damage reduction to allies. Amazing power but not really comparable as a support power.

Her final weight reduction is specific to assault rifles reducing the Harrier weight to levels very managable for a caster class.

I'm not claiming she is 'teh bestest' class in the game and am fully aware that she is not what ubber elite BSN platinum players want but she is a very balanced and efficient character blending firepower, powers, and team support with some very good durability. Kind of a 'jack of all trades' if you will.

Modifié par Morugatu, 20 janvier 2013 - 10:04 .

[Feneckus]

The Justicar is great on Glacier if there's a Novaguard or something.

Otherwise, meh. Although it's pretty fun how fast phantoms go down with reave + Harrier with Warp Ammo IV.

[Brohak]

Yes please, I still like using her, but a buff to bubble would be nice. Everything is in the OP, bigger radius and better priming mechanics (be it that the prime doesn't go away as soon as targets leave the bubble or that we can detonate several times, just anything that makes it better).

[The Renegade Fem-Shep]

I do agree that the inability to continuously detonate gets extremely annoying. I could almost swear it didn't used to be that way...

[Dilandau3000]

I still love the Justicar, she is by far my favourite adept (Fury may be more powerful but that play style just doesn't really work for me), and I spec into the bubble. She's still one of my most reliable gold characters (even though I can fairly easily beat gold with any character nowadays). Just today I had to clutch wave 8 on Gold/Goddess/Collectors when everyone else got sync-killed or bled out early in the wave (just bad luck, it was actually quite a good team), and I did it without too much trouble.

I tend to use a defensive bubble, combined with reave DR it makes you nearly invincible. It's an extremely useful tool during hacks, 4 devices and extraction, and otherwise I tend to set it up near where I'm hanging out so I can dash in and out as needed. Of course, I wouldn't say no to a buff, but I don't feel like it absolutely needs one.

The offensive bubble... the explosions aren't strong enough, and regardless of whether it's using warp bubble + reave or reave + regular bubble, I just can't seem to get the hang of actually pulling it off more than once in a blue moon.

[Acyl]

Furthermore, people are criticizing the Sphere's Biotic Explosion for only providing a rank 1 primer/detonator even with 21 points invested in the ability.  Which is a very reasonable criticism, considering most (all?) Biotic kits can set up rank 12 Biotic explosions with a lot less effort involved.

You can't evaluate abilities and kits in a vacuum.

As a clarification - I believe using Biotic Sphere as a detonator for Reave counts its full ranks of explosion damage. I could be wrong, though.

But yeah, the Rank 6 Warp evolution in Biotic Sphere as a primer does a really horrible weak detonation. 

This is particularly bad in comparison with the buffed Singularity. Because that's another Biotic power that places a location-based debuff that primes enemies near it. Of course, Biotic Sphere does have other benefits. But I can't help but feel the biotic explosions should be a lot stronger. Maybe not a full Rank 6 strong, but stronger.

Also, the Asari Justicar used to have a niche as the tanky adept. But now we have the Krogan and Batarian adepts, so that uniqueness is gone.

Modifié par Acyl, 20 janvier 2013 - 10:14 .

[Screenbetween]

The dome has found a home in Rio..

Modifié par Screenbetween, 20 janvier 2013 - 10:17 .

[oO Stryfe Oo]

I love the Justicar, but I'd be lying if I said Biotic Sphere was better than just Reaving and shooting an enemy. It needs a buff to both the offensive and defensive evos;

- Offensive: Remove the limit on the number of times an enemy can be detonated while in the Sphere. It may seem a little OP, but dammit; This is a Justicar with centuries of experience. She's supposed to be to the current Asari what the N7 are to the OG Humans. Besides, the BE's themselves aren't that powerful, and it'll only really be effective against large, slow moving enemies, like Atlases and Scions.

- Defensive: Increase the bonuses. Make them a more appealing option, especially the last evo; I don't know anyone who's ever taken that rank 6 Defense evo. Maybe that one should get a small re-work or an extra bonus, like a further increase to radius or the ability to block seeker swarms.

[oO Stryfe Oo]

Morugatu wrote...

Is....is this thread for real? I constantly use the Justicar on Gold and have no problem. The Double-Bubble is amazing. Name ONE other power that primes, detonates, gives damage reduction, is a 'fire and forget' AND had a massive AoE?

Reave?

[Daihannya]

A power that is still helping campers on platinum needs a buff? I still see UUP pugs using it on Rio to hold that little box. Actually makes those pug UUP Rio matches actually bearable if there is an AJ on the team with a bubble. At least they die less in the box. Particularly if there is a volus with them. I can actually move forward and hold the left stairwell, and not worry about hanging with them inside the box to revive them.

If you look at the power, it can grants the AJ 40% DR on top of her 40% reave DR if you spec it that way. The offensive bubbles are still being used by campers as a melting point for banshees and praetorians that overran their little box. If you get grabbed in a bubble, and your teammates are paying attention they can actually do enough damage with the bubble's help to normally cause the banshee to drop you.

I personally use it purely offensive. Set it at choke point. Melt things with harrier X, and warp ammo. Reave if I feel like a boom.

Only buff it needs is to stop swarmers. But I can say that about a lot of powers. I.E. why can't a flame thrower melt a swarmer instantly?

[Shinnyshin]

Morugatu wrote...

Shinnyshin wrote...

Morugatu wrote...

Is....is this thread for real? I constantly use the Justicar on Gold and have no problem. The Double-Bubble is amazing. Name ONE other power that primes, detonates, gives damage reduction, is a 'fire and forget' AND had a massive AoE?

Reave.  Plus Reave is 6x the Primer/Detonator that Bubble is.

Reave is quite a small AoE by comparison and does not set off tech bursts not to mention does not impart damage reduction to allies. Amazing power but not really comparable as a support power.

Her final weight reduction is specific to assault rifles reducing the Harrier weight to levels very managable for a caster class.

I'm not claiming she is 'teh bestest' class in the game and am fully aware that she is not what ubber elite BSN platinum players want but she is a very balanced and efficient character blending firepower, powers, and team support with some very good durability. Kind of a 'jack of all trades' if you will.

Okay, if you're going to be technical like that, then there's no class that simultaneously offers AoE DR while priming/detonating with a Warp effect in an area shaped like a bubble.  If you're going to be that specific, you can't really compare any power in the game to another.  Biotic Slash and Electric Slash maybe.  But her defensive options don't stack up to the other defensive options available, her debuff options aren't remotely near the other debuff options, and her priming/detonating is rank 1.  Bubble may do it all, but does it all so poorly and in such limited circumstances that it's not action-economy efficient, not risk/reward efficient, and doesn't feel like a 21 point ability.  On paper, they're all fine and great and the #s are fine.  But in reality, neither you nor your team can benefit from Bubble in the overwhelming supermajority of situations.  And in the very few situations where it can help--a lot--things are often fubar enough that a bit of DR and some shield regen won't help.

I want to be very clear that I don't think the class is garbage.  Rather, I think Biotic Sphere needs some pretty drastic adjustments aimed at usability.  In fact, nobody here has said the Justicar is trash by any means.  The entire purpose of this thread and what everyone here is doing is criticizing the functionality of Biotic Sphere.  Most of the time, she has one usable active power and that's a problem.

Modifié par Shinnyshin, 20 janvier 2013 - 10:35 .

[ArcaptSSX]

UUP players do not stay in the box. They run-and-gun. RRP players stay in the box.

On topic: i didn't know that the Warp BE was considered a lv.1 Warp. So much fail in that one. One thing that sort of baffles me with the Bubble is why you have to have it at lv.6, pick an evo, to actually have it doing (pitiful) damage.
I always thought Warp should be included by default with lv.1 Bubble, and the lv.6b evo should be a +damage to BEs.

Modifié par JohnBobbyTheThird, 20 janvier 2013 - 10:37 .