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[Peranor]

Oh, you just had to bring up the "ride off into the sunset" argument did you? Did you run out of arguments? When ever did I say that I wanted to ride of in to the sunset with my LI?

And I never said this isn't a war. But It is a war in a Sci-Fi story. Not to be confused with a war, you know... back here in the real world?

You should not think of the reaper war realistically. if anything you need to think about it with a different view.

[clarkusdarkus]

^^^^^ @ Magnetite,Heaven forbid we want to win in a videogame which is part of the entertainment industry, also u have just prove the point he was making, " few million " loss on thessia... It's not real, u do know this?

Remember bioware's own words when your trying to make it sound real " Don't get too attached to a plot "....So the happy ending you seem to not want should have been included as they themselves are telling us to not take the plot serious.

Modifié par clarkusdarkus, 20 janvier 2013 - 09:11 .

[Mcfly616]

magnetite wrote...

anorling wrote...


"think about this realistically", "the reality of a war"? This is a Sci-Fi story. Not a damn World War II documentary film on History Channel. Wake up. sheesh...

Yes, it is, but it's also a galactic war.

You probably didn't read the the pre-release statements they made. Something about an "all out galactic war". You may not have gathered all the facts before buying this game. It's a war story, they made that clear.

I mean they did mention that they lost a few million people on Thessia. Sound like a war to you? Or a sci-fi story? Hell, Shepard mentions something about "losing half the galaxy" during Arrival.

Garrus wants a word with you

What were you expecting, beat the Reapers, and ride off into the sunset with your LI? I'm glad that Bioware actually took a risk with this instead of following the same pattern.

its a war story. In a sci fi setting (as Bioware has said since before release). I'm not sure where people get the idea, that since its sci fi, it can't be a war story.


Like honestly? If their expectation of sci fi is strictly condensed into uploading the virus/blowing up the mothership and then partying the night away with ewoks....well, that's a pretty limited understanding of the genre.

[Mcfly616]

Snake91 wrote...

WOW 10 pages

Fun times

[Peranor]

And Mcfly strikes again...
The undisputed master of generalization and narrowmindedness

[BD Manchild]

Oh here we go, another train-wreck thread with self-delusion, misconstruing arguments and the old "ride off into the sunset" bollocks from utter narrow-minded blowhards who could not miss the point more if they tried.

Just another typical day on BSN, then.

Modifié par BD Manchild, 20 janvier 2013 - 09:22 .

[Peranor]

BD Manchild wrote...

Oh here we go, another train-wreck thread with self-delusion, misconstruing arguments and the old "ride off into the sunset" bollocks from utter narrow-minded blowhards who could not miss the point more if they tried.

Just another typical day on BSN, then.

Indeed

[Chashan]

anorling wrote...


Oh, you just had to bring up the "ride off into the sunset" argument did you? Did you run out of arguments? When ever did I say that I wanted to ride of in to the sunset with my LI?

And I never said this isn't a war. But It is a war in a Sci-Fi story. Not to be confused with a war, you know... back here in the real world?

You should not think of the reaper war realistically. if anything you need to think about it with a different view.

More importantly, the entire Reap-hurr invasion is more akin to Armageddon, Apocalypse, eve-of-destruction or whatever you want to call it. Those usually either end up being fulfilled - i.e., bleakest possible way to interpret rejection of the tri-colour choice or low-EMS Destruction - or being averted. Entirely, more often than not, with those still alive left to pick up the pieces.

Red went half-way there, but they just had to keep the hostage-stand off that including EDI and the geth comes across as for...reasons. Even though indiscriminate collateral damage would have been just as dramatic, and more within the scope of reason, too.
That aside, neither Apotheosis nor utopic dawn of a golden age are anything grounded in "reality". So no, the finale does not really fit your average war-story, nor does the overarching plot of ME3.

Modifié par Chashan, 21 janvier 2013 - 01:07 .

[Mcfly616]

anorling wrote...


And Mcfly strikes again...
The undisputed master of generalization and narrowmindedness

lol you literally are saying that its not a war story because its sci fi. Narrowmindedness? Call it whatever you want bro. Flinging names isnt hiding the fact of what you're stating. I just called you out on it. Ironically, implying that its not relatable to other war stories because its in the sci fi genre is a bit "narrowminded" of you, is it not?

Modifié par Mcfly616, 20 janvier 2013 - 09:26 .

[kal_reegar]

 an Awakeningstype postending expansion could be what, well, nothing can please "everybody" but it could please as much as any dlc can.  Those who like the endings get "one more story" (posibly with an Orlesian Spectre for those who want their Shepards to stay dead) those who didn't get one final shot at a "real" ending.  Or at least closure.

this would be great.

[Iakus]

MegaSovereign wrote...

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

What immediate conflict could possibly occur post-ending? 

They could setup some sort of conflict that can be later resolved in future games but it'd make the story feel a little disjointed if it occurs almost immediately after the Reapers have been defeated.

Cerberus remnants

Indoctrinated servants of the Reapers trying to bring back their "masters" either to recreate the Reapers or to wrest control of them.

Power grab by faction of one of the governments (civil war on Thessia?  Coup attempt against the turian Hegemony?)

Quest to repair some of the relays, with several minor missions combining into an overall goal (yeah, sort a "Star Map" in concept, but still a viable idea, I think)

And this is post-Destroy only? Shepards who pick a different ending get locked out.

I guess that could be a good way to introduce the next protagonist.

post anything.  Though Destroy would of course be the only one with a live Shepard in it...

I imagine even in COntrol and Synthesis there'd be a period of time where the Reapers are not involved in th galaxy, as both sides acclimatize to their new situation.  Tehy were doing their ery best to kill each other not long ago.  It'll take more than the Reapers showing up with a bouquet of flowers to smooth things over.

[Dr_Extrem]

uploading the virus and riding into the sunset, would at least be a fitting ending to the "we build a superweapon to solve our gorgian knot"-plot.

really .. they build up a plot on ambiguity/nebulosity, substituted technical facts with forced emotions and bet on an ending, that was meant to answer all questions. it did not work.

while the sideplots are well thought out and are thought provoking, the main story is as deep as a puddle after a soft summer rain.


simple plots are not a sign of uninspried or bad writing - trying to make the simple plot into something bigger, is. i like simple stories .. they are not bad and have their place in literature.

if i want to experience something deep, i read mann or grass.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 20 janvier 2013 - 09:33 .

[Mcfly616]

Cool, you read. So do I. But I also like watching thought provoking movies, and playing thought provoking games. We all have our vices. Can't please everybody...

[Dr_Extrem]

john_sheparrd wrote...

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

What immediate conflict could possibly occur post-ending? 

They could setup some sort of conflict that can be later resolved in future games but it'd make the story feel a little disjointed if it occurs almost immediately after the Reapers have been defeated.

Cerberus remnants

Indoctrinated servants of the Reapers trying to bring back their "masters" either to recreate the Reapers or to wrest control of them.

Power grab by faction of one of the governments (civil war on Thessia?  Coup attempt against the turian Hegemony?)

Quest to repair some of the relays, with several minor missions combining into an overall goal (yeah, sort a "Star Map" in concept, but still a viable idea, I think)

And this is post-Destroy only? Shepards who pick a different ending get locked out.

I guess that could be a good way to introduce the next protagonist.

post anything.  Though Destroy would of course be the only one with a live Shepard in it...

I imagine even in COntrol and Synthesis there'd be a period of time where the Reapers are not involved in th galaxy, as both sides acclimatize to their new situation.  Tehy were doing their ery best to kill each other not long ago.  It'll take more than the Reapers showing up with a bouquet of flowers to smooth things over.

yeah but as who would we play one of the squad maybe liara??

baily ...

or as liara or vega, if low-ems endings are not "importable".

[Peranor]

Mcfly616 wrote...

anorling wrote...


And Mcfly strikes again...
The undisputed master of generalization and narrowmindedness

lol you literally are saying that its not a war story because its sci fi. Narrowmindedness? Call it whatever you want bro. Flinging names isnt hiding the fact of what you're stating. I just called you out on it. Ironically, implying that its not relatable to other war stories because its in the sci fi genre is a bit "narrowminded" of you, is it not?

I am "literally saying that its not a war story because its sci fi"? Literally? Really? Wow... You really "called me out on in" this time McFly /golfclap
Seriously though. try reading my actual letters one more time.

And I called you narrowminded because you are one of the people here on BSN that over and over again have to blurp out the  "ride off into the sunset" and/or "lol did you want a indepence day ending" arguments as soon as someone doens't like the ending. Like those are the only two possible options other then what we got.

And I never said that it isn't relatable to other war stories because it's Sci-Fi.
I said This is a Sci-Fi story. Not a damn World War II documentary film on History Channel. I don't like it when people say "Oh, this and that should have happened because it's a war story. And in war this and that happens bla bla"

As I said. You should not think of the reaper war realistically. if anything you need to think about it with a different view. It's a different war. Different things will happen. And people will think and act differently. It's narrowminded to think that this is like any other war that has been fought here on earth in the real world.

[Dr_Extrem]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Cool, you read. So do I. But I also like watching thought provoking movies, and playing thought provoking games. We all have our vices. Can't please everybody...

only the sideplots (uplifting/genophage and geth/quarian conflict) are thought provoking ... the rest is shallow and simple. that is not the problem - trying to make the mainplot and the corny and cliché ridden story into something, that it just isnt, was the mistake. simple stories end simple - and this is good.

mass effect is not like "mash" or "fight club"  .. it is more like "die hard" or "pirates of the carrabean".

"schuster bleib bei deinen leisten." (cobbler, stick to your trade.)

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 20 janvier 2013 - 09:51 .

[Mcfly616]

anorling wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

anorling wrote...


And Mcfly strikes again...
The undisputed master of generalization and narrowmindedness

lol you literally are saying that its not a war story because its sci fi. Narrowmindedness? Call it whatever you want bro. Flinging names isnt hiding the fact of what you're stating. I just called you out on it. Ironically, implying that its not relatable to other war stories because its in the sci fi genre is a bit "narrowminded" of you, is it not?

I am "literally saying that its not a war story because its sci fi"? Literally? Really? Wow... You really "called me out on in" this time McFly /golfclap
Seriously though. try reading my actual letters one more time.

And I called you narrowminded because you are one of the people here on BSN that over and over again have to blurp out the  "ride off into the sunset" and/or "lol did you want a indepence day ending" arguments as soon as someone doens't like the ending. Like those are the only two possible options other then what we got.

And I never said that it isn't relatable to other war stories because it's Sci-Fi.
I said This is a Sci-Fi story. Not a damn World War II documentary film on History Channel. I don't like it when people say "Oh, this and that should have happened because it's a war story. And in war this and that happens bla bla"

As I said. You should not think of the reaper war realistically. if anything you need to think about it with a different view. It's a different war. Different things will happen. And people will think and act differently. It's narrowminded to think that this is like any other war that has been fought here on earth in the real world.

hmm not really. Your entire point is moot. Considering we are humans who live on planet Earth, where we have waged war on eachother since the beginning of time. Since this is the only type of war we have known, we clearly and obviously solely have that to take inspiration from. "Art imitating life". (Yeah...I said that lol). That saying doesn't discriminate against particular genres, sorry. It's a fact and can be said for any genre.


Also, view the interviews with the Devs before release. It's a "war story". They've said it. And its quite obvious. It takes place in a sci fi setting.

[spirosz]

Mcfly616 wrote...
Also, view the interviews with the Devs before release. It's a "war story". They've said it. And its quite obvious. It takes place in a sci fi setting. 

So why do you try to relate it to "bunnies and sunshines/flying off into the sunset" when people are clearly stating that is not the motivation of said idea.  

[Iakus]

john_sheparrd wrote...

yeah but as who would we play one of the squad maybe liara??

Well Liara and Vega would be the only squadmates guaranteed to be alive.  But that's too limiting for classes and not everyone would want to play either of them anyway.  Thus in my mind a new character and probably new squadmates with the old crew (and Shepard, if alive) being cameos.

Thus my joke about "Orlesian Spectre" as in Awakening you play an Orlesian Warden if you don't import your own.

Please keep in mind I don't seriously think this is going to happen.  Just that, hypthetically thinking, this could be/could have been a viable idea.

[chidingewe8036]

Why would Bioware bring all the writers and everyone in for some none important single mission??? All I ask is for them to add to what is already there I don't want a brand new ending just add to the high ems destroy thats all why is that so d*** hard what the heck is the big deal??? Keep your regular destroy ending just add a little more beef to Shepard's breath scene PERIOD THE END BRING ON ME4. GOOD LORD!!!!

[BansheeOwnage]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

 You heard it here and now, we will be able to take control of a surviving team member or LI and find and rescue him and afterwards finally get our happy ending. I don't know how gameplay would necessarily be involved with this type of DLC but it could work. What could we fight tho???? But anyways I have a strange feeling it will indeed be this what else could it be??? We have to find Shepard!!!!!

ME1 Shepard arose from the debris victorious (Epic)

ME2 Shepard made an epic escape

ME3 Shepard, thought to have perished, will be found and rescued by his team his LI


sounds good to me.....

Ashley - "i doubted u once Shepard and I lost u......that's not happening again"

Hell yeah! So much foreshadowing of Shepard coming back, and the fight not being over, or our last. It's hard not to feel this way, because what else could all 9 writers and 3 composers be working on? Especially when you consider that it is supposed to make you cry. How could they do that without using a character that has been in for ages? It has to be main-plot related. And Sam Hulick and Seth Green are in DLC for the first time! This has to be good!

[Eterna]

BD Manchild wrote...

Oh here we go, another train-wreck thread with self-delusion, misconstruing arguments and the old "ride off into the sunset" bollocks from utter narrow-minded blowhards who could not miss the point more if they tried.

Just another typical day on BSN, then.

But I don;t understand, you want Shepard to be rescued and live happily ever after, that pretty much is riding off into the sunset.