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[Fisto The Sexbot]

Battlebloodmage wrote...
If he were such a terrible writer, why are you playing the story he wrote? 

I'm not. I only played Dragon Age 2 for the lols, anyway. The only game of his that I liked is probably Dragon Age: Origins. So I don't care about his mediocre work.

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Modifié par Ninja Stan, 21 janvier 2013 - 07:06 .

[Warden661]

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

Myusha wrote...

Enough of all this insulting staff crap forumites pull everytime a staff member says or does anything. You lot should be more grateful.

Grateful for what? He produces fan fiction-level work. Bad fan fiction-level work at that. He should be grateful for having the position he has while so many other, more talented writers have to settle for less.

Glad to know your opinion. I have to ask though; If there are so many other, more talented writers out there then why has not a single one taken his job? I am curious because, if that is the case, then it makes no sense to me. 

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Modifié par Ninja Stan, 21 janvier 2013 - 07:07 .

[Fisto The Sexbot]

BoBear wrote...

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

Myusha wrote...

Enough of all this insulting staff crap forumites pull everytime a staff member says or does anything. You lot should be more grateful.

Grateful for what? He produces fan fiction-level work. Bad fan fiction-level work at that. He should be grateful for having the position he has while so many other, more talented writers have to settle for less.

Glad to know your opinion. I have to ask though; If there are so many other, more talented writers out there then why has not a single one taken his job? I am curious because, if that is the case, then it makes no sense to me. 

It's because people enjoy his mediocre work, and that's what bothers me. His fanclub's probably the most irritating thing about him. They don't know better.



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Modifié par Ninja Stan, 21 janvier 2013 - 07:07 .

[AlexJK]

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

It's because people enjoy his mediocre work, and that's what bothers me. His fanclub's probably the most irritating thing about him. They don't know better.

Wow. The arrogance of some people.

(Note: I don't care about your opinion, which you're entitled to hold. It's the way you choose to express it which is supremely arrogant.)

Modifié par AlexJK, 21 janvier 2013 - 11:28 .

[MiSS Provencale]

There are people who cross the line! I understand why Mr Gaider no longer coming to the forum. You should watch your language and learn to respect others. Would you like to be insulting you in public? NO!! You criticize advance a game that is not even out yet! Allow you to insult someone you do not know just because you do not like DA??? I ask you dear Fisto the sexbot MR WHAT DO YOU ON THE FORUM???

[Rawgrim]

Not being happy with this and that bit of a game is one thing. Constructive criticism is better. Going for personal attack on people involved with making the game is not ok.

[Dave of Canada]

I can't help but think most of Gaider's comments are made with him wearing rose-colored glasses, most of the things he mentions can apply to his own (and his team's) writing as well. Of course, he's entitled to his own opinion but I feel there's a disconnect between what he's saying and what's being provided.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 21 janvier 2013 - 12:50 .

[Teddie Sage]

Fisto, honestly, you're a nuisance to this thread at the moment. Please change your choice of wording.

[Commander Kurt]

Guys.. I'd wager that the reason why Gaider and the rest of the dev's are reluctant to set foot here is because of the juvenile arguments going on.

Fisto may be helped by learning some manners, but don't make this discussion about him. If you don't want the dev's to think his opinion matters, don't make it the star of the show.

Really, they know we appreciate their work. No need to argue about it.

Also, l agree completely with Gaider regarding romances. I think it's really hard writing a story in a dynamic way while the fans demand that everyone is romancable and every single romance is the same. I cannot identify with this at all, the notion that some romances get "shafted" because they're different. It's just a story, isn't it?

[Plaintiff]

Commander Kurt wrote...

Guys.. I'd wager that the reason why Gaider and the rest of the dev's are reluctant to set foot here is because of the juvenile arguments going on.

Fisto may be helped by learning some manners, but don't make this discussion about him. If you don't want the dev's to think his opinion matters, don't make it the star of the show.

Really, they know we appreciate their work. No need to argue about it.

Also, l agree completely with Gaider regarding romances. I think it's really hard writing a story in a dynamic way while the fans demand that everyone is romancable and every single romance is the same. I cannot identify with this at all, the notion that some romances get "shafted" because they're different. It's just a story, isn't it?

They way I think of it is, if you're genuinely upset about your romance choice dying or breaking up with you, then that shows that the writer's were able to create a character that you had an emotional investment in. Which means they're good at their jobs.

[Xilizhra]

They way I think of it is, if you're genuinely upset about your romance choice dying or breaking up with you, then that shows that the writer's were able to create a character that you had an emotional investment in. Which means they're good at their jobs.

Yes, but if you're motivated to not replay the game and recommend others to not buy it, I'd say things went too far. As in the case with Thane.

[Plaintiff]

Xilizhra wrote...

The way I think of it is, if you're genuinely upset about your romance choice dying or breaking up with you, then that shows that the writer's were able to create a character that you had an emotional investment in. Which means they're good at their jobs.

Yes, but if you're motivated to not replay the game and recommend others to not buy it, I'd say things went too far. As in the case with Thane.

Well, that can't really be helped. There will always be gamers who will think "the story didn't go exactly how I wanted, therefore it is bad". I'm inclined to say that those people are not being reasonable, and that they should be the ones to change their way of thinking, not Bioware's writers.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 21 janvier 2013 - 03:42 .

[cephasjames]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

He "dislike the idea of every character being sexually available to the player" and yet he has no problem creating every romance-able characters sexually available to the player?

He dislike negativity as he pointed out as toxin environment and yet it's the negativity that he craved in his romance story? Wow just wow. He's right tho, it's not going to be received well. Just scrap the damn romance.

Do you notice the difference in the two bolded statements above. His argument was against more than just created romanceable characters. Romanceable characters tend to be sexually available, although I think it would be an interesting twist to have a romanceable character not be sexually available for one reason or another... "purity" or "not able to" or whathaveyou.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Xilizhra wrote...

They way I think of it is, if you're genuinely upset about your romance choice dying or breaking up with you, then that shows that the writer's were able to create a character that you had an emotional investment in. Which means they're good at their jobs.

Yes, but if you're motivated to not replay the game and recommend others to not buy it, I'd say things went too far. As in the case with Thane.

The problem with Thane's case is the writers told you upfront that he was going to die. The very first time you meet him he tells Shepard that he's dying and its not something that can be cured. Why are we suprised then when he dies? Of all the character to get upset that they died Thane should be the last because he's the one whoose death was telegraphed from the moment you met him.

Its not like they hinted that there was some cure on the horizon or anything... he has a terminal illness. That is all.

[Ninja Stan]

If this thread does not stay on topic, it will be locked. Bans have been imposed. Clean-up of inappropriate posts incoming.

[Fast Jimmy]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

They way I think of it is, if you're genuinely upset about your romance choice dying or breaking up with you, then that shows that the writer's were able to create a character that you had an emotional investment in. Which means they're good at their jobs.

Yes, but if you're motivated to not replay the game and recommend others to not buy it, I'd say things went too far. As in the case with Thane.

The problem with Thane's case is the writers told you upfront that he was going to die. The very first time you meet him he tells Shepard that he's dying and its not something that can be cured. Why are we suprised then when he dies? Of all the character to get upset that they died Thane should be the last because he's the one whoose death was telegraphed from the moment you met him.

Its not like they hinted that there was some cure on the horizon or anything... he has a terminal illness. That is all.

This. You were a comfort to him in his last remaining months, you helped him rebuild a relationship with his estranged son and what was a near-death becomes a sudden guarantee after the attack on the Citadel. 

I could understand people saying Jacob, but Thane? He was done well. Depressing, but it dealt with deth in a real way, not just "pew-pew, I shot you!" type of story-telling. As stated, if there was rumors for a cure, that would be one thing. But it was simply not likely he was going to make it, right from the get go. 

Now... if he died and it felt like it mattered? That might have been different. Instead, his death is without purpose. If the endings had discussed how his son had changed his life in memory of his father and did something significant, or that they said some thing that reflected the romance in an epilogue, that could have been more therapeutic. But with the ambiguity and lack of answers about how things wound up after the game ended, we didn't get that. 

You know what would make the endings of the EC 20 times better? Remove the stupid VoiceOver for the epilogue slides as the exist now and instead elaborate on each of those slides more details about what happened. Don't just show a picture of the Krogan and a baby, but tell us what happened to them? Did they advance? Did they become violent?

The same could be said for Thane - give us a slide that talks about him and his legacy and you'd have people leaps and bounds more excited for the end of the series. 

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 21 janvier 2013 - 09:22 .

[Plaintiff]

Waxing lyrical about Thane's son won't appease the people who wanted Thane to live, and I'm just generally opposed to telling consequences instead of actually showing them in the game. I'd rather the writers of both DA and ME not lock themselves into any definite statements, and instead leave as much room for possible future titles as they can.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 21 janvier 2013 - 09:55 .

[Cameron Lee]

Disappointing that this thread devolved from what was initially a valid topic. I know everyone’s passionate, some negatively so and others in forcefully standing up for people. Either way, keeping things civil is a better way for the developers to understand what’s important to you.

[Sylvanpyxie]

Thane? He was done well.

Normally I would agree that a tragic end to an inevitably doomed character is a good thing - I'm a personal fan of tragedy and I tend to pursue it with unhealthy interest bordering on obsession - that being said, Thane's conclusion was ham-handed and half arsed.

Something that should have been emotionally devastating and meaningful to the people that pursued Thane Krios as a romance was a pathetic load of tripe that lacked any real conviction, finesse or care. There was a complete revert in personality from the character himself, there was little to no difference between the romantic conclusion and the friendly conclusion, and there was little to no acknowledgement of Thane's passing.

The fact that he died is not something that bothers me - As many have pointed out he was terminally ill and it was somewhat expected, no matter how many straws his fan-base clung to - but the complete lack of recognition for his death is something that is an unforgivable screw up.

If you're going to conclude a character's story-arc with a tragic, dramatic and emotionally devastating end then you need to approach it with care and attention. You can't just go "Oh well, he died... NEXT!" it cheapens the entire experience and offers little opportunity for emotional reflection.

Of course, that's just me and my opinion. Some people might prefer it when tragic ends are given little to no recognition in a kind of "drive-by" kick to the gut, personally I like to have the opportunity for the emotional damage to fester and eat away at me.

[Fiddzz]

This is so off topic that its lockdown time.