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[Dutchess]

esper wrote...

BlazingSpeed wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

Why the **** does it bother people that romanceble characters are bisexual? They are still the same freaking characters whether gay or straight! It's not like Anders walks around with a carrier purse and wears a pink scarf when Male Hawke is around; yet when Female Hawke is there, he's ripped as **** and spends most of his day doing squats in his clinic -.-

They are interesting characters. Period. Bi, straight or gay, the DA team writes them all the same -.-

There is a difference between how the Dragon Age characters are/were written like how Leliana and Zevran are compared to the DA2 cast were written basic-ly the same regardless of if you PC is male or female.

And lol at Gaider talking about those optional sex cards from The Witcher the fact that you could have an optional (meaning you had to go out of your way to find it...) no strings fling with a woman that wasn't a postitute just gave the Witcher world a bit more variety.

The fact that there was sex cards for the woman is the problem.
It makes them collectable, which objectfies.

Oh, for heaven's sake. Again: the sex cards are simply a sexy picture, a substitute for a love scene. You only get to see them once for five seconds, then they disappear. Geralt doesn't have them in his inventory afterwards, so he can't play patience with the cards of his conquests. That most sexual encounters are a one-time-thing and not serious (as in with the intention to have a relationship) does not make the women objects to Geralt. Most often the women are the ones to make a suggestion and make their demands clear before they allow Geralt into their beds. The context of sex is different in the setting of The Witcher compared to the modern, western society we live in. Life is harsh, dangerous, probably not very long, and people apparently are less hesitant to have a quick roll in the hay before they carry on with their lives. Sex is probably a pleasant pass-time for a bored noble woman or a peasant woman who has to work the fields all day. Geralt is sterile and immune to disease, so no unwanted after effects and in addition he is some kind of super hero, someone mentioned in tales, and you have a very suitable guy to serve as a one-time lover. 

I think that defending the Witcher as a reaction to Gaider's post is valid, because Gaider mentions the game when he discusses the romances for Bioware games and in doing so makes an unfair comparison. You can't put the one-night stands Geralt has next to the more fleshed-out Bioware romances. If you want to compare, you need to look at Triss and Shani. 

[medusa_hair]

Interesting.  I think it's perfectly acceptable if not every NPC is available to romance.  However, I'd like to see at least two choices.  As a straight female, I felt completely ignored in ME3 as I was stuck with Kaidan if I imported a Shepard without an LI in ME2.  Some people have expressed that they don't want to have the romanceable NPCs available to both genders of PC (i.e. Zevran, although I'm not sure the NPC needs to announce it to you like that). It's fine with me, especially if it allows me to have more options.  It would make it easier for the devs, I'll bet.

However, on the Thane romance, he is correct only in small part.  Yes, there were many who felt gypped because they couldn't cure him.  However, as a player who romanced Thane, I can tell you that was definitely not my issue with ME3.  It was always clear that he was going to die, and I chose him anyway because he was interesting (well, and he had a cool voice).  My issue was that the reunion was completely stupid, childish, and un-Shepardlike (you jump into a sick man's arms in the middle of the hospital lobby and smooch him like some high schooler?  please - would any of us who are adults do that in real life???).  I wanted to have some time alone with him to talk, to say a real goodbye, etc.  His death scene was emotional and I thought was written well.  However, Shepard didn't seem too put out by it and then at the memorial wall no one mentions anything about it.  What?  Garrus doesn't even ask how you are holding up? 

It's really just a little bit amazing to me that he still doesn't get why people were aggravated by the way some of the romances were handled in ME3.  I think people were just hoping for some private time with the ME2 LI, that's all.  Give them a little more time than just a conversation. 

However, that's water under the bridge now.  Ideally, as a straight woman player, I'd like a choice of at least two LIs with hopefully one of them NOT emotionally damaged (yes, I mean you Anders and Fenris!).

[Warden661]

I tend to agree with Gaider on most things, this article included.

Romances in game aren't a neccesity for me but they are a nice extra that Bioware includes in it's games that make them that much more enjoyable to play. That being said I would enjoy it if the romances were harder to obtain. In DA 2 all you had to do was hit the option with a heart and you have yourself a guaranteed relationship. They all work out in the end if you want them to. Actually working to get into the relationship would make them even more enjoyable and valuable, so to speak.

Also I wouldn't mind some tragic romances, whether that be the character dies, cheats or just breaks up with your PC because of something the PC did or said. I feel that something to this extent would really help the character developement for both the PC and the romance character. I wouln't be too happy with the situation (who would) but I would appreciate the writting and story.

I also feel that characters should have their own sexual identities. Sexual orientation is part of a character and if you change it depending on the PC's gender you're kind of changing them, even if it's only a little. If the character is in fact bi, then that's cool but i feel that there should be some characters that are either straight or gay because that's who they are.  

Plaintiff wrote...

Khayness wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

And how do you know the writers didn't intend Anders to be bisexual from the beginning? How can you prove that it was due to fan demand and not their initial intention?

And how do you know they did?

If I wouldn't value my time I could look up some Mr. Gaider statemets about why they decided to go with the all bi route where I draw my conclusions from. But I don't see the point.

Let me save you the few minutes it would take: Gaider has stated that he wanted to be as fair as he could to sexual minorities in the audience. He made that decision on his own, whether he was motivated by fan feedback is not known, but Gaider is a grown man, and if he thinks a fan suggestion is stupid, he will say so. It's more than likely that he was motivated by his own desire to be more equitable to minorities in the audience, though feedback and the existence of mods that allowed players to have same-sex relationships with Alistair and Morrigan my have tipped the scales slightly.

Gaider has said that what he would've liked to do was provide an "even spread" of romanceable characters of various "fixed" sexualities, but that would've required more resources than he felt could be spared. Making the four available love interests romanceable to player characters of either gender was a good compromise, because it made things as fair as possible while requiring much less time and effort.

In regards to Anders, I was dissapointed with his romance in DA2 because it didn't feel like the Anders I still remember from DA:A. In Awakening he was a complete womanizer but in DA2 he was either gay or straight depending on the gender of Hawke. I feel they rebuilt Anders, to a point. I didn't mind that he was gay but that he wasn't gay to begin with and now is (if male Hawke).

There are possible explainations of course. Maybe he's always been bi and just had a stint in his life where he prefered woman. Fair enough, although if that's the case why didn't he mention his relationship with Karl to a female Hawke? It just didn't make sense to me.

Also maybe it's Justice who is gay.

Modifié par BoBear, 20 janvier 2013 - 08:20 .

[Dutchess]

BoBear wrote...

Also maybe it's Justice who is gay.

LOL, doesn't Justice disapprove of either Hawke romance?

[Sinophile]

I tend to agree with Gaider on most things, this included. Romances in game aren't a neccesity for me but they are a nice extra that Bioware includes in it's games that make them that much more enjoyable to play.

Just read the article in the OP. To me, Gaider implied two things:
1.) Gaider is somewhat of a feminists. He mentions how The Witcher reduces 50% of the females of the game into cards to be collected, thus making them more conquests than actual characters.

2.) Gaider doesn't like having to appeal to a an increasingly larger audience. He was hired in 1999(according to wikipedia) to work on Baldur's Gate 2, which was not only made for the PC audience, but sold only a tiny amount of copies compared to ME3 and DA2. I liked how he mentioned people wishing they could cure Thane, as it showed somewhat the psychology of the average gamer. We all want to fix everything and save everyone, although in real life that is hardly ever possible.

[Fredward]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

That awkward moment when you can't have a personal blog without every second article getting dragged onto a public forum and being interpreted in whatever way best suits a person's personal agenda. >.>

Yeeeeaaaaaaaahhhhhh totally called it. XD

Modifié par Foopydoopydoo, 20 janvier 2013 - 08:28 .

[Wulfram]

Sinophile wrote...


2.) Gaider doesn't like having to appeal to a an increasingly larger audience. He was hired in 1999(according to wikipedia) to work on Baldur's Gate 2, which was not only made for the PC audience, but sold only a tiny amount of copies compared to ME3 and DA2.

Not really true.  The BG series sold about 5 million copies.  If we estimate that 2 million of this was BG2 - which I think is conservative - then it's about level with DA2.

[Renmiri1]

renjility wrote...

That most sexual encounters are a one-time-thing and not serious (as in with the intention to have a relationship) does not make the women objects to Geralt

Read that sentence again. One night stands don't objectify wonen (or men) ? Of course they do! One night stands are not about the person at all, is about sex, guy has an itch, has it scratched, bam wham, ty ma'm ( or sheep, blow up doll, anything that gets that itch scratched).

That is what I hate about the Witcher's cards. I like romances, and that is not romance. To show that, might as well show the PC eating, going potty and attending to other biological  needs. Ewwww

But here is the thing. Is entirely optional, so I, who despise the damn cards, won't play to get them.  I actually never finished the game but it was mostly because the FOV and camera on the Witcher makes me dizzy and barfy. Don't like it, don't play it.

And that goes for DAO and DA2 romances. They are entirely optional and only one thing in a very rich game experience. Don't  like it ? skip that part. It ruins the game for you ? Play another game

Modifié par Renmiri1, 20 janvier 2013 - 09:08 .

[Battlebloodmage]

BoBear wrote...

I tend to agree with Gaider on most things, this article included.

Romances in game aren't a neccesity for me but they are a nice extra that Bioware includes in it's games that make them that much more enjoyable to play. That being said I would enjoy it if the romances were harder to obtain. In DA 2 all you had to do was hit the option with a heart and you have yourself a guaranteed relationship. They all work out in the end if you want them to. Actually working to get into the relationship would make them even more enjoyable and valuable, so to speak.

Also I wouldn't mind some tragic romances, whether that be the character dies, cheats or just breaks up with your PC because of something the PC did or said. I feel that something to this extent would really help the character developement for both the PC and the romance character. I wouln't be too happy with the situation (who would) but I would appreciate the writting and story.

I also feel that characters should have their own sexual identities. Sexual orientation is part of a character and if you change it depending on the PC's gender you're kind of changing them, even if it's only a little. If the character is in fact bi, then that's cool but i feel that there should be some characters that are either straight or gay because that's who they are.  

Plaintiff wrote...

Khayness wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

And how do you know the writers didn't intend Anders to be bisexual from the beginning? How can you prove that it was due to fan demand and not their initial intention?

And how do you know they did?

If I wouldn't value my time I could look up some Mr. Gaider statemets about why they decided to go with the all bi route where I draw my conclusions from. But I don't see the point.

Let me save you the few minutes it would take: Gaider has stated that he wanted to be as fair as he could to sexual minorities in the audience. He made that decision on his own, whether he was motivated by fan feedback is not known, but Gaider is a grown man, and if he thinks a fan suggestion is stupid, he will say so. It's more than likely that he was motivated by his own desire to be more equitable to minorities in the audience, though feedback and the existence of mods that allowed players to have same-sex relationships with Alistair and Morrigan my have tipped the scales slightly.

Gaider has said that what he would've liked to do was provide an "even spread" of romanceable characters of various "fixed" sexualities, but that would've required more resources than he felt could be spared. Making the four available love interests romanceable to player characters of either gender was a good compromise, because it made things as fair as possible while requiring much less time and effort.

In regards to Anders, I was dissapointed with his romance in DA2 because it didn't feel like the Anders I still remember from DA:A. In Awakening he was a complete womanizer but in DA2 he was either gay or straight depending on the gender of Hawke. I feel they rebuilt Anders, to a point. I didn't mind that he was gay but that he wasn't gay to begin with and now is (if male Hawke).

There are possible explainations of course. Maybe he's always been bi and just had a stint in his life where he prefered woman. Fair enough, although if that's the case why didn't he mention his relationship with Karl to a female Hawke? It just didn't make sense to me.

Also maybe it's Justice who is gay.

Tell a woman you're interested in during your first meeting that you had sex with men and see what your chances are with her. Gaider stated that he thought Anders "look" gay. It may not be must of an indication, but he always thought of Anders as less than straight, so it wasn't a surprise when Anders can be romanced by male Hawke in the next game.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

DPSSOC wrote...

On topic I agree with most of what Gaider said.

Off topic rambling commencing in 3, 2, 1...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...
No? He said, "Take the first Witcher game, for instance— I enjoyed many things about that game, but the collectible sex card mechanic? Ultimately it rendered every female character in the game into a puzzle to be solved. What do I do to sleep with them?"

Can you sleep with this character? Does this character equote to every female characters as well?
 [Image Snip]

You're missing the point.  Gaider was saying that making all companions romanceable would cheapen them, they wouldn't be characters anymore they'd be objectives, what do I need to do to romance this character.  He compares this to the Witcher where, on a first run, the card mechanic turns every female character into a puzzle of "How do I sleep with you."  Whether or not you can sleep with every female character isn't the point he's making, the point is that the mechanic gets the player into that state of mind.

Sex with every female character in the game is not equal to making all companions romanceable. You can never make every female character in the The Witcher to be your companion. A one night stand isn't comparable to fully flesh out romanceable party members. A prostitue in DA 2 is unfair comparison to someone like Aveline. If Gaider want to talks about non-romanceable companion then he should compare them with The Witcher's non romanceable companion such as Eskel, which he didn't. It's obvious if he did so, it's him who apply double standard view. The Witcher series doesn't allow all companions to be sexually available to Geralt. You can't romance and have sex with Eskel. Yet, In DA 2, all romanceable companions are sexually available to the player. If he meant by sleeping with female NPC, so what? You can have sex with the prostitue in DA2's brothel regardless they're male or female. Having sex with them doesn't mean making them romanceable companions or to be precise, romanceable party members. 

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 20 janvier 2013 - 09:43 .

[LolaLei]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

BoBear wrote...

I tend to agree with Gaider on most things, this article included.

Romances in game aren't a neccesity for me but they are a nice extra that Bioware includes in it's games that make them that much more enjoyable to play. That being said I would enjoy it if the romances were harder to obtain. In DA 2 all you had to do was hit the option with a heart and you have yourself a guaranteed relationship. They all work out in the end if you want them to. Actually working to get into the relationship would make them even more enjoyable and valuable, so to speak.

Also I wouldn't mind some tragic romances, whether that be the character dies, cheats or just breaks up with your PC because of something the PC did or said. I feel that something to this extent would really help the character developement for both the PC and the romance character. I wouln't be too happy with the situation (who would) but I would appreciate the writting and story.

I also feel that characters should have their own sexual identities. Sexual orientation is part of a character and if you change it depending on the PC's gender you're kind of changing them, even if it's only a little. If the character is in fact bi, then that's cool but i feel that there should be some characters that are either straight or gay because that's who they are.  

Plaintiff wrote...

Khayness wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

And how do you know the writers didn't intend Anders to be bisexual from the beginning? How can you prove that it was due to fan demand and not their initial intention?

And how do you know they did?

If I wouldn't value my time I could look up some Mr. Gaider statemets about why they decided to go with the all bi route where I draw my conclusions from. But I don't see the point.

Let me save you the few minutes it would take: Gaider has stated that he wanted to be as fair as he could to sexual minorities in the audience. He made that decision on his own, whether he was motivated by fan feedback is not known, but Gaider is a grown man, and if he thinks a fan suggestion is stupid, he will say so. It's more than likely that he was motivated by his own desire to be more equitable to minorities in the audience, though feedback and the existence of mods that allowed players to have same-sex relationships with Alistair and Morrigan my have tipped the scales slightly.

Gaider has said that what he would've liked to do was provide an "even spread" of romanceable characters of various "fixed" sexualities, but that would've required more resources than he felt could be spared. Making the four available love interests romanceable to player characters of either gender was a good compromise, because it made things as fair as possible while requiring much less time and effort.

In regards to Anders, I was dissapointed with his romance in DA2 because it didn't feel like the Anders I still remember from DA:A. In Awakening he was a complete womanizer but in DA2 he was either gay or straight depending on the gender of Hawke. I feel they rebuilt Anders, to a point. I didn't mind that he was gay but that he wasn't gay to begin with and now is (if male Hawke).

There are possible explainations of course. Maybe he's always been bi and just had a stint in his life where he prefered woman. Fair enough, although if that's the case why didn't he mention his relationship with Karl to a female Hawke? It just didn't make sense to me.

Also maybe it's Justice who is gay.

Tell a woman you're interested in during your first meeting that you had sex with men and see what your chances are with her. Gaider stated that he thought Anders "look" gay. It may not be must of an indication, but he always thought of Anders as less than straight, so it wasn't a surprise when Anders can be romanced by male Hawke in the next game.

Same, I always figured that he probably had his fair share of men too lol. 

[AlexanderCousland]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Tell a woman you're interested in during your first meeting that you had sex with men and see what your chances are with her. Gaider stated that he thought Anders "look" gay. It may not be must of an indication, but he always thought of Anders as less than straight, so it wasn't a surprise when Anders can be romanced by male Hawke in the next game.

100% agree, let' s not act like straight women (&bi) are comfrotable with the Idea that their potential Man has been involved with another Man sexually or romantically. It' s a Glaring double-standard.

[Battlebloodmage]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

On topic I agree with most of what Gaider said.

Off topic rambling commencing in 3, 2, 1...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...
No? He said, "Take the first Witcher game, for instance— I enjoyed many things about that game, but the collectible sex card mechanic? Ultimately it rendered every female character in the game into a puzzle to be solved. What do I do to sleep with them?"

Can you sleep with this character? Does this character equote to every female characters as well?
 [Image Snip]

You're missing the point.  Gaider was saying that making all companions romanceable would cheapen them, they wouldn't be characters anymore they'd be objectives, what do I need to do to romance this character.  He compares this to the Witcher where, on a first run, the card mechanic turns every female character into a puzzle of "How do I sleep with you."  Whether or not you can sleep with every female character isn't the point he's making, the point is that the mechanic gets the player into that state of mind.

Sex with every female character in the game is not equal to making all companions romanceable. You can never make every female character in the The Witcher to be your companion. A one night stand isn't comparable to fully flesh out romanceable party members. A prostitue in DA 2 is unfair comparison to someone like Aveline. If Gaider want to talks about non-romanceable companion then he should compare them with The Witcher's non romanceable companion such as Eskel, which he didn't. It's obvious if he did so, it's him who apply double standard view. The Witcher series doesn't allow all companions to be sexually available to Geralt. You can't romance and have sex with Eskel. Yet, In DA 2, all romanceable companions are sexually available to the player. If he meant by sleeping with female NPC, so what? You can have sex with the prostitue in DA2's brothel regardless they're male or female. Having sex with them doesn't mean making them romanceable companions or to be precise, romanceable party members. 

The game and storyline is catered to straight males, so it makes sense to not have Eskel romanceable, don't see why bring him up. Dragon Age allows people to romance who they want to romance because they want to cater to both women and men of different orientation.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Battlebloodmage wrote...
The game and storyline is catered to straight males, so it makes sense to not have Eskel romanceable, don't see why bring him up. Dragon Age allows people to romance who they want to romance because they want to cater to both women and men of different orientation. 

Well then let's twist Gaider's, "Every female character in the game" with "Every character in the game" to be fair. Can you romance Eskel or Grandma? Nope you still cant. Can you have sex with any prostitue? Yes you can. It's the same with DA 2. See?    

[Battlebloodmage]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...
The game and storyline is catered to straight males, so it makes sense to not have Eskel romanceable, don't see why bring him up. Dragon Age allows people to romance who they want to romance because they want to cater to both women and men of different orientation. 

Well then let's twist Gaider's, "Every female character in the game" with "Every character in the game" to be fair. Can you romance Eskel or Grandma? Nope you still cant. Can you have sex with any prostitue? Yes you can. It's the same with DA 2. See?    

All the characters that are romanceable are the ones that are usually deemed attractive. The game is targeted at straight male and straight male's fantasy. If you want to prove your point, it would be better to use examples in which some attractive women in the game wouldn't be romanceable in which they probably should or could. What you are using is a strawman argument.

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 20 janvier 2013 - 10:00 .

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...
The game and storyline is catered to straight males, so it makes sense to not have Eskel romanceable, don't see why bring him up. Dragon Age allows people to romance who they want to romance because they want to cater to both women and men of different orientation. 

Well then let's twist Gaider's, "Every female character in the game" with "Every character in the game" to be fair. Can you romance Eskel or Grandma? Nope you still cant. Can you have sex with any prostitue? Yes you can. It's the same with DA 2. See?    

All the characters that are romanceable are the ones that are usually deemed attractive. The game is targeted at straight male and straight male's fantasy. If you want to prove your point, it would be better to use examples in which some attractive women in the game wouldn't be romanceable in which they probably should or could. What you are using is a strawman argument.

So Carmen isn't attractive? And even better because Carmen is a prostitue. Guess what? Geralt couldn't have sex with her. Seriously, double standard view is still double standard view. Making unfair comparison doesn't make your statement true. 

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 20 janvier 2013 - 10:03 .

[Battlebloodmage]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...
The game and storyline is catered to straight males, so it makes sense to not have Eskel romanceable, don't see why bring him up. Dragon Age allows people to romance who they want to romance because they want to cater to both women and men of different orientation. 

Well then let's twist Gaider's, "Every female character in the game" with "Every character in the game" to be fair. Can you romance Eskel or Grandma? Nope you still cant. Can you have sex with any prostitue? Yes you can. It's the same with DA 2. See?    

All the characters that are romanceable are the ones that are usually deemed attractive. The game is targeted at straight male and straight male's fantasy. If you want to prove your point, it would be better to use examples in which some attractive women in the game wouldn't be romanceable in which they probably should or could. What you are using is a strawman argument.

So Carmen isn't attractive? And even better because Carmen is a prostitue. Guess what? Geralt couldn't have sex with her. Seriously, double standard view is still double standard view. Making unfair comparison doesn't make your statement true. 

The same could be said about Varric and Aveline. Both are not romanceable. Each game has their nonromanceable characters except DA is not a pokemon game.

[Selene Moonsong]

Folks, we are getting off on the wrong track here.. you can take it to PMs or agree to disagree and move on.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...
The game and storyline is catered to straight males, so it makes sense to not have Eskel romanceable, don't see why bring him up. Dragon Age allows people to romance who they want to romance because they want to cater to both women and men of different orientation. 

Well then let's twist Gaider's, "Every female character in the game" with "Every character in the game" to be fair. Can you romance Eskel or Grandma? Nope you still cant. Can you have sex with any prostitue? Yes you can. It's the same with DA 2. See?    

All the characters that are romanceable are the ones that are usually deemed attractive. The game is targeted at straight male and straight male's fantasy. If you want to prove your point, it would be better to use examples in which some attractive women in the game wouldn't be romanceable in which they probably should or could. What you are using is a strawman argument.

So Carmen isn't attractive? And even better because Carmen is a prostitue. Guess what? Geralt couldn't have sex with her. Seriously, double standard view is still double standard view. Making unfair comparison doesn't make your statement true. 

The same could be said about Varric and Aveline. Both are not romanceable. Each game has their nonromanceable characters except DA is not a pokemon game.

That's what the nitpicking is about. Each game has their own non romanceable companions, and somehow Gaider miss that point. Instead of making fair comparison with The Witcher's party members, he goes on arguing A one night stand with non-romanceable NPC.   

[Endurium]

Tali's face aside, I am happy to see she remained true to her inspiration, Aerie, because I've had to deal with a number of headcases since Aerie (granted, after you talk her through her pain, but at least she improves!). Hopefully DA3 will have a companion I can finally enjoy enough to want my character romantically involved. DAO and DA2 gave me women with headcase syndrome so it's about time to have one semi-sane, non-mouthy (Morrigan style) gal on the team. Time will tell if I get my wish, or if I have to deal with more of the same.

Modifié par Endurium, 20 janvier 2013 - 10:22 .

[Renmiri1]

Gaider also highlights ME's Thane romance as an example of making "every character" romanceable even when they shouldn't be. On one hand, I agree with him. After ME3's treatment of the romances for Thane and Jacob, I agree 100% they should have never made those 2 characters as LI. But here is the thing: Thane and Jacob were not romanceable on ME3 at all. If you never had them as LI on ME2 then Thane would be dead and Jacob would be happily paired with his baby mamma. There was no romance on ME3 for those two,

On ME2 both Jacob and Thane were LI and had content comparable to the other LIs in the game. Worse: Thane was specifically designed to be a female hetero LI, as you can read here about how the developers went into detail on how they did design his looks, clothes and personality to appeal to the female audience.

 The problem was, he was going to be the female love interes[/u]t. Now that doesn't sound like much if you think about it, but it got us all mixed up a bunch of times, because women were going to have to find this guy attractive[/u]. So we asked all the women in the office what they liked in their aliens, 

So you see, you get offered a LI designed just for you, with carefully written content to appeal to you. Then.. suckerpunched on the next game. "Sorry, s*cks to be you, you should have picked another LI" and you don't even get a LI achievement if you don't hook up with someone else.

Sebastian on DA2 was a bit of doomed romance and I feel sorry for the Sebmancers because their romance content was nowhere near as fulfilling as the others. Should he have been an LI ? I don't think so. But at least he doesn't die and you get your LI badge.

Bottom line: No more of the scene bellow on romances 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 20 janvier 2013 - 10:55 .

[Warden661]

Battlebloodmage wrote...
Tell a woman you're interested in during your first meeting that you had sex with men and see what your chances are with her. Gaider stated that he thought Anders "look" gay. It may not be must of an indication, but he always thought of Anders as less than straight, so it wasn't a surprise when Anders can be romanced by male Hawke in the next game.

Good point. But it seemed, to me, that if Hawke was female then Anders didn't have those relations with Karl at all. Again, to me, it seemed like a big change to his character from the previous game.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Completely agree with Gaider. Romances are a mini-game at best, and the amount of people obsessing over them is frightening.

I would rather they took them out completely and focus on putting together a decent story. Perhaps ME3 would have had a better ending if they hadn't spent quite so much time catering to every pervert's wishes.