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[addiction21]

FreshIstay wrote...

DA2 brothel isn' t for Straight Males, you have to be gay to use it.

You did not even play the game did you?

[Firky]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

What does that have to do with Jethann being mandatory? You don't see any man doing sexy pose appearing on cards. I'm sure the problem David Gaider has with the mechanic is that collecting cards with nude women in sexy poses are objectifying. The game is like a straight man's fantasy becomes reality. I wonder what the other people who are not straight men think about the game.

There has to be an element of "horses for courses" with anything, though. I'm a married-with-kids woman who enjoyed those cards. I thought the whole thing was very tongue in cheek. Like, "woman as a quest to be solved" was often just "bring wine." (I found that funny.)

(I can, however, totally understand why others would be offended. I wasn't, though. Edit: PS. There were a few moments I was bordering on offended in The Witcher 2, though.)

Or, it can be sexist, in one way or another, but still something you want to play. I think the CD Projekt Cyberpunk trailer has its issues but, gee it made me want to play the game.

As for Bio-mances, one of the best moments for me was whether or not to change Anomen's alignment. I didn't even realise that's what I was doing the first time, I just made a choice. His romance was still pretty much insert coins to progress, but that moment made it all different, in my mind. That stuff. More of it.

Modifié par Firky, 21 janvier 2013 - 12:41 .

[ShadyKat]

Still would have love to here him talk about why the lack of a dwarf romance. Seriously, it would be a nice change of pace from the common human & elf romances only.

[AlexanderCousland]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Russalka wrote...

I think the problem lies more on the fact that only a single gender is generally subjected to this treatment. The Dragon Age series has been fairly equal with any sexualisation or objectification.

I think The Witcher should have had cards pop up with Geralt being all vulnerable and naked as well.

Brothel' s mostly consist of women, its the worlds oldest profession. Geralt was having sex too, was he objectified?
I beleive Brothel' s prey on Male weakness anyway, Giving your earnings for a moment a pleasure with a Woman who cares nothing for you. The only people empowered in Strip Clubs or Brothel' s are Women IMHO. DA2 brothel' s arent for Men who consider themselves straight, just as Witcher doesnt have Brothel' s for gay people. 

You're controlling him, why would you be objectified? Talk to me when they have Geralt doing sexy nude pose/ DA2 brothels are for everyone, they have both genders in it.

DA2 brothel isn' t for Straight Males, you have to be gay to use it.

It's gay to have sex with women?

It' s gay to have sex with a man just so you can have sex with a woman.

[addiction21]

FreshIstay wrote...

It' s gay to have sex with a man just so you can have sex with a woman.

Which is not true. Try again.

[AlexanderCousland]

Pssh. <_<

This objectification arguement is stupid.

Modifié par FreshIstay, 21 janvier 2013 - 12:30 .

[Battlebloodmage]

FreshIstay wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

DA2 brothel isn' t for Straight Males, you have to be gay to use it.

You did not even play the game did you?

Are you trying to say that as a Straight Male character you dont have to commit a homosexual act to use the DA2 brothel?
because if that' s your position your blatanly wrong. 

During the quest, you can either ignore him and finish the quest or tell him about Ninette's death to use the brothel again. No one forces you to have sex with him.

[turaco]

Why does everything have to be about sex. Why not deeper relationships, with marriage options, raising a family. I mean in the medieval times marriage was respected, even expected. It was frowned upon to sleep around with everyone. I like a good love story, but I am sick of all the romances being about getting in bed with someone.

[The Spirit of Dance]

I found myself completely agreeing with all of what Mr Gaider was saying. Only thing I can say is that I want deeper romances for the romantic elements (getting a better feel for the relationship between my PC and his/her LI). I honestly wouldn't care if the 'implied sex scenes' were completely removed but that's just me.

EDIT: typo

Modifié par supremebloodwolf, 21 janvier 2013 - 12:52 .

[Insaner Robot]

This horse is thoroughly flogged now.

He wasn't attacking The Witcher he just used the card mechanic as an example for one of his reasons for not wanting to make every companion Dragon Age romanceable. It was the only paragraph that mentioned objectification and that word was only used once.

Also I just loaded up a save in act one before taking 'the first sacrifice' and for the first went to the blooming rose without being on a quest. In short Hawke was able to avail himself of the female companionship without sleeping with Jethann first.

[Endurium]

supremebloodwolf wrote...

<snip> Only thing I can say is that I want deeper romances for the romantic elements (getting a better feel for the relationship between my PC and his/her LI). I honestly wouldn't care if the 'implied sex scenes' were completely removed but that's just me.

Better defined friendships and blooming romance would be better than the usual baseball game leading to a homerun (sex scene). I'd prefer reading about my character and his LI's future in the epilogue than seeing Bioware's rendition of what our romance might look like in the bedroom (or wherever). The resources saved from that change alone would give us double or triple the relationship dialog/interaction we have now.

[Renmiri1]

turaco wrote...

Why does everything have to be about sex. Why not deeper relationships, with marriage options, raising a family. I mean in the medieval times marriage was respected, even expected. It was frowned upon to sleep around with everyone. I like a good love story, but I am sick of all the romances being about getting in bed with someone.

That is exactly my problem with the Witcher's cards. There is no romance it is just sex. I don't like it, it is not my thing.

But here is the thing: It is completely optional so I didnt do it while playing the Witcher. I can't say the game is a good game without it because I get seasick while playing it so I never finished it but I certainly wouldn't condemn a game for having an optional feature I don't care for.

[Renmiri1]

Endurium wrote...

I'd prefer reading about my character and his LI's future in the epilogue than seeing Bioware's rendition of what our romance might look like in the bedroom (or wherever). The resources saved from that change alone would give us double or triple the relationship dialog/interaction we have now.

And you know that is true because ?

Cite a study or some facts or simply say you don't like things. Don't invent facts to strenghen your case, you are more than entitled to your own opinion, you are not entitled to your own facts.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Hanz54321 wrote...

I miss the old DAO board. The one where people actually explored the game and knew what they were talking about before spouting off.

You do not have to gay it up with ANYONE in DA2 to use the brothel for females. You do not need to have homosexual encounters in the game at all. Ever.

Right, You do not have to be sex maniac in The Witcher. No one is forcing you to play the sex cards. Just like no one is forcing you to encounter the fade-to-black sex scenes in DA 2's brothel. It's purely optional and Gaider's took it out of context to make his assessment of NOT turning every companions romanceable valid, completely ignoring the fact the heart icon in DA 2 did exactly the same thing. The only difference is The Witcher is cater to straight male gamers while DA 2 isn't. Gaider's view doesn't represent general straight male gamers, hence his point of view is a moot one. There is no issue over objectivifying or whatsoever craps. It's medieval fantasy and prostitution is the oldest profession in the world. If you can't roleplay and understand that Geralt is defined to be heterosexual male surrounded by his old acquaintances who happen to be "every female character in the game" and that's it's optional for you to have sex with them, then you shouldn't play the The Witcher series or make any comparison with DA series because they do NOT share the same philosophy....... and never will, I hope..   

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 21 janvier 2013 - 01:30 .

[Battlebloodmage]

I'm assuming you're reading some kind of knockers magazine if there are women with barebreasts having out in sexy poses.
It's not degrading to men because they're the ones in control. When you make arguments, you have to see from the point of view of both sides. If you don't find it offensive, it could be because everything around you have been catered to your tastes, not always true but for some, it could be. When the usual straight males are the ones being objectified, I'm sure they would object, too, as evidence with Anders hitting on them. I personally don't find it offensive but more childish.

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 21 janvier 2013 - 01:40 .

[Endurium]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Endurium wrote...

I'd prefer reading about my character and his LI's future in the epilogue than seeing Bioware's rendition of what our romance might look like in the bedroom (or wherever). The resources saved from that change alone would give us double or triple the relationship dialog/interaction we have now.

And you know that is true because ?

Cite a study or some facts or simply say you don't like things. Don't invent facts to strenghen your case, you are more than entitled to your own opinion, you are not entitled to your own facts.

Economics 101; resources not spent on bedroom animations could be reallocated elsewhere, to perhaps some extra writing. Happens a lot in the working world.

I really enjoyed the many dialogs with LI comanions in BG2, as I've said before. The 'sex scene' was merely scripted fade to black and back again so no excessive resources used. I had to do every main and side quest in the game before my LI would run out of unique things to say, and they had what amounted to personal quest threads that wove through the game, leading to multiple encounters, especially in Jaheira's case. DAO did a pretty good job of keeping that depth; DA2 not so much.

[AlexanderCousland]

I was wrong about Jethann, but I only thought you were required to hump him to use the service' s because I only go to the Blooming Rose once, It' s not Important to me to hump prostitute' s in Video games, furthermore, I wouldnt defend prostitutes who willingy sell themselves or people who buy them by saying there is some form of objectification going on.

[LolaLei]

krul2k wrote...

only thing im sure they miss is my blumbering attempts m8, they made for good laughter


edit an i never meant all woman were like that before you even attempt to go there, just a damn loooong standing joke about marriage is all it was

Well, some women like the funny! 

[wsandista]

This thread is why I rarely come to the DA3 sub-forum. Seriously people, it is just a video game. Calm the **** down.

[Darth Death]

wsandista wrote...

This thread is why I rarely come to the DA3 sub-forum. Seriously people, it is just a video game. Calm the **** down.

Problem is it's not just a video game if you're passionate about it. Kind of like sports or whatever. 

[Sanunes]

After reading the articles on the internet and then reading the blog, its like playing the "telephone game" for each article twists what he said further, almost feeling like they are trying to lie to get more hits.

[CrystaJ]

[Off-topic post removed.] 

Modifié par Ninja Stan, 21 janvier 2013 - 06:51 .