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[DeinonSlayer]

silverexile17s wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

Ya, it is the main reason I put a large amount of blame at Walters feet. Not because I KNOW who made the decisions, but because the larger the roll he got, the more issues that cropped up with the game. The biggest issues with ME2 and 3 were the main story setting pieces. Everything not revolving around the reaper plot as really well done, to me.

Unfortunately the Geth got caught in the reaper plot, almost exclusively, so they took the biggest hit in terms of consistency, besides Cerberus. Honestly, I find it very hard not to blame a specific person with ME2 and 3 for the main gripes in both games, and I normally dont like doing that, at all.

Autodialogue is a big part of the problem. For example, in ME2, you could respond in four different ways to Legion's attempt to contact the larger collective (the conversation where he retrieves the audio recording). In ME3, autodialogue tells you what to think and feel in many circumstances. The worst example of this, IMO, is Shepard apologizing to Tevos after Thessia. After learning the Asari hid that beacon, I wanted to chew her out.

He certinly chewed out the asari in front of poor, shell-shocked Liara - The LAST person who needed to be raved at about her people screwing up when, you know, HER HOMEWORLD IS BURNING AROUND HER, AND HER PEOPLE ARE DYING IN DROVES. (It's even worse if you bring the extremely blunt prothean Javik with her.)
I half-expected to be able to yell at Tevos (or whoever is Councilor at the time) about what the HELL the asari were thinking when they hid the beacon. Shepard could have proven the Reapers existance right then and there had they not kept it so secret. Hell, if they had allowed others to look at it, they could have found  Vendetta and learned about the Reapers LONG before they ever invaded.
But instead of confronting Tevos, you rant to poor Liara?

This is one of the things I hated about autodiolouge. I would have had like three to six different ways to go with in responce to that in ME1. Instead, now it's (a) or (.  And even worse, is that trying to find a gray path seems to penalize the player. You are either a Renagade or a Paragon fully, in order to get the best rewards. You get less if you try to play both fields. And with how Renagade choices are structured, it makes you feel like the right choice is always going to bo the Paragon option. As though you either are a Paragon, or you aren't. And that if it's Paragon, it's the "right" choice. There's little to no gray, when, in a time of war, having there be an overwhelming amount of gray would have made perfect sense.

It's made all the worse because the Council (initially formed by the Asari) made it a criminal offense to withhold Prothean tech. Really, the battle for Earth and all casualties incurred therein could have been avoided if the Asari hadn't sat on it for their own benefit until their own world was under siege.

It's hard to deny that the game's outcomes favor Paragons. On the Rachni mission, for example, they actually switched the dialogue options to save Aralakh Company or the Rachni Queen if you got the fake queen instead, to ensure that paragon players don't burn themselves. If you have the real queen, the option to save Aralakh Company is moved to the bottom of the wheel.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 22 janvier 2013 - 02:48 .

[silverexile17s]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

Ya, it is the main reason I put a large amount of blame at Walters feet. Not because I KNOW who made the decisions, but because the larger the roll he got, the more issues that cropped up with the game. The biggest issues with ME2 and 3 were the main story setting pieces. Everything not revolving around the reaper plot as really well done, to me.

Unfortunately the Geth got caught in the reaper plot, almost exclusively, so they took the biggest hit in terms of consistency, besides Cerberus. Honestly, I find it very hard not to blame a specific person with ME2 and 3 for the main gripes in both games, and I normally dont like doing that, at all.

Autodialogue is a big part of the problem. For example, in ME2, you could respond in four different ways to Legion's attempt to contact the larger collective (the conversation where he retrieves the audio recording). In ME3, autodialogue tells you what to think and feel in many circumstances. The worst example of this, IMO, is Shepard apologizing to Tevos after Thessia. After learning the Asari hid that beacon, I wanted to chew her out.

He certinly chewed out the asari in front of poor, shell-shocked Liara - The LAST person who needed to be raved at about her people screwing up when, you know, HER HOMEWORLD IS BURNING AROUND HER, AND HER PEOPLE ARE DYING IN DROVES. (It's even worse if you bring the extremely blunt prothean Javik with her.)
I half-expected to be able to yell at Tevos (or whoever is Councilor at the time) about what the HELL the asari were thinking when they hid the beacon. Shepard could have proven the Reapers existance right then and there had they not kept it so secret. Hell, if they had allowed others to look at it, they could have found  Vendetta and learned about the Reapers LONG before they ever invaded.
But instead of confronting Tevos, you rant to poor Liara?

This is one of the things I hated about autodiolouge. I would have had like three to six different ways to go with in responce to that in ME1. Instead, now it's (a) or (.  And even worse, is that trying to find a gray path seems to penalize the player. You are either a Renagade or a Paragon fully, in order to get the best rewards. You get less if you try to play both fields. And with how Renagade choices are structured, it makes you feel like the right choice is always going to bo the Paragon option. As though you either are a Paragon, or you aren't. And that if it's Paragon, it's the "right" choice. There's little to no gray, when, in a time of war, having there be an overwhelming amount of gray would have made perfect sense.

It's made all the worse because the Council (initially formed by the Asari) made it a criminal offense to withhold Prothean tech.

It's hard to deny that the game's outcomes favor Paragons. On the Rachni mission, for example, they actually switched the dialogue options to save Aralakh Company or the Rachni Queen if you got the fake queen instead, to ensure that paragon players don't burn themselves. If you have the real queen, the option to save Aralakh Company is moved to the bottom of the wheel.

I know they tried to make it seem balanced, like with what you just stated with the Rachni mission. But in truth, the choices DON'T feel all that balanced. Instead, they feel SPLIT. You are either on one side of the fence, or the other. You can no longer toe the line like you could in ME1, or make varring choices. Before, Paragon and Renagade were variable, in that, while you could stay to one side exclusively, you could also mix the two sides together to get some interesting new outcomes in many plots.
The best example of this (to me) was Noveria, with the Gianna Parasini mission. There were half a dozen outcomes for that triangle plot between Gianna, Lorik Qui'in, and Administrator Anolais. I expected all of ME3 to be like that, with the setting that it would have. But it didn't
ME2 showed signs of moving this way, but I'd hoped the gray moral-rich area of a galaxy falling apart would fix that.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 22 janvier 2013 - 02:49 .

[justafan]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Don't forget the ramafacations of the geth having as many dreadnoughts as the turians, and that each one is larger and more powerful than the Council regulations normally allow.  That Geth  Dreadnought was a monster. To think the geth have nearly 30 of them.
And you NEVER bring that massive military power the geth have into question. Not ONCE in the game. You can berate the quarians for converting liveships, but never get anything to say regarding the ramafacations of how the geth can nearly rival the turians in military strength.

Well, in fairness, Farixen doesn't apply to the Geth. They were never signatories. Thing is, ever since the Council stripped them of their embassy and kicked them to the curb (after they got burned for trying to comply with Council law on artificial intelligence by destroying the Geth), the Quarians aren't subject to Farixen's restrictions either.

And is this really the time for Shepard to complain about a species taking the initiative to slap some big-ass guns on their ships? I'm glad the dialogue option supporting the armament is there - the alternative is just plain derpy.

I know that both sides aren't bound by the Treaty of Farixan, but then if that's true, why does Shepard chew out Raan for the quarians converting liveships, but not Legion for building nearly 30 of the most powerful ships in the galaxy?

Quarians retrofit civilan ships for safety because the galaxy is literally going to hell in a hand-basket: Chew them out.
Geth build dozens of monster warships that can each rival the power of the prothean flagship, but don't use them when it counts: No problem with that!
See the problem with this logic?

Obviously,  one of the devs or writers had favortisim for the geth, That's fine and all, but you NEVER let that leak into the game! The PC has to be an unbiased character, because their reaction is supposed to mirrior the player.
This doesn't seem to do that.

Shepard has his derpy moments.  Remember when he compared the genophage to the first contact war?

However, this just brings to light the obvious bias that the Rannoch arch plays to.  You are practically required to have played the past games and have extensive knowledge of the EU to get both sides of the story, which is quite unfortunate because knowing the Quarian's plight and the dark side of the Geth really adds a layer of gray to the conflict.

Modifié par justafan, 22 janvier 2013 - 03:00 .

[silverexile17s]

justafan wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Don't forget the ramafacations of the geth having as many dreadnoughts as the turians, and that each one is larger and more powerful than the Council regulations normally allow.  That Geth  Dreadnought was a monster. To think the geth have nearly 30 of them.
And you NEVER bring that massive military power the geth have into question. Not ONCE in the game. You can berate the quarians for converting liveships, but never get anything to say regarding the ramafacations of how the geth can nearly rival the turians in military strength.

Well, in fairness, Farixen doesn't apply to the Geth. They were never signatories. Thing is, ever since the Council stripped them of their embassy and kicked them to the curb (after they got burned for trying to comply with Council law on artificial intelligence by destroying the Geth), the Quarians aren't subject to Farixen's restrictions either.

And is this really the time for Shepard to complain about a species taking the initiative to slap some big-ass guns on their ships? I'm glad the dialogue option supporting the armament is there - the alternative is just plain derpy.

I know that both sides aren't bound by the Treaty of Farixan, but then if that's true, why does Shepard chew out Raan for the quarians converting liveships, but not Legion for building nearly 30 of the most powerful ships in the galaxy?

Quarians retrofit civilan ships for safety because the galaxy is literally going to hell in a hand-basket: Chew them out.
Geth build dozens of monster warships that can each rival the power of the prothean flagship, but don't use them when it counts: No problem with that!
See the problem with this logic?

Obviously,  one of the devs or writers had favortisim for the geth, That's fine and all, but you NEVER let that leak into the game! The PC has to be an unbiased character, because their reaction is supposed to mirrior the player.
This doesn't seem to do that.

Shepard has his derpy moments.  Remember when he compared the genophage to the first contact war?

However, this just brings to light the obvious bias that the Rannoch arch plays to.  You are practically required to have played the past games and have extensive knowledge of the EU to get both sides of the story, which is quite unfortunate because knowing the dark side of the Geth really adds a layer of gray to the conflict.

I think something like that happened in Omega too. You practally needed to read the Invasion comics to know what happened on Omega, or have any connection to the antagonest, Petrovsky.

[justafan]

silverexile17s wrote...

justafan wrote...

Shepard has his derpy moments.  Remember when he compared the genophage to the first contact war?

However, this just brings to light the obvious bias that the Rannoch arch plays to.  You are practically required to have played the past games and have extensive knowledge of the EU to get both sides of the story, which is quite unfortunate because knowing the dark side of the Geth really adds a layer of gray to the conflict.

I think something like that happened in Omega too. You practally needed to read the Invasion comics to know what happened on Omega, or have any connection to the antagonest, Petrovsky.

And that is very detrimental to the story.  I for one am fortunate enough to be one of those people who has to read every codex entry and planet scan just so he doesn't miss anything, I also look up summaries of the novels just so I'm not missing anything.

You miss a lot of things this way, for instance the Ekuna scan shows just how cruel the Council can be, threatening Quarian settlers with orbital bombardment because some paperwork was handed in late.  Then, on the BSN, you always have that one person saying "well the Quarians had 300 years to find a new planet" and if you never read into Quarian biology, the rarity of Dextro planets, or the Ekuna scan, that would seem like a pretty logical concern.  Same with Petrovsky, I haven't played Omega, but I am aware that he is one pretty tolerant Cerberus officer, and I can only hope he doesn't go full evil like the rest of his organization.

[DeinonSlayer]

justafan wrote...

Shepard has his derpy moments.  Remember when he compared the genophage to the first contact war?

However, this just brings to light the obvious bias that the Rannoch arch plays to.  You are practically required to have played the past games and have extensive knowledge of the EU to get both sides of the story, which is quite unfortunate because knowing the Quarian's plight and the dark side of the Geth really adds a layer of gray to the conflict.

If they really wanted players to take the dangers of "inevitable synthetic/organic conflict" seriously, they shouldn't have swept that dark side under the rug.

If you can't make peace, it's like dropping an alien in the Terminator universe and telling it to choose which side gets to live, beating the hell out of the point that Skynet was attacked first, but not mentioning that Skynet "acted in self defense" by nuking the planet into a cinder. It wasn't until my second run through the Consensus mission that I caught that the war lasted a single year.

[silverexile17s]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

justafan wrote...

Shepard has his derpy moments.  Remember when he compared the genophage to the first contact war?

However, this just brings to light the obvious bias that the Rannoch arch plays to.  You are practically required to have played the past games and have extensive knowledge of the EU to get both sides of the story, which is quite unfortunate because knowing the Quarian's plight and the dark side of the Geth really adds a layer of gray to the conflict.

If they really wanted players to take the dangers of "inevitable synthetic/organic conflict" seriously, they shouldn't have swept that dark side under the rug.

If you can't make peace, it's like dropping an alien in the Terminator universe and telling it to choose which side gets to live, beating the hell out of the point that Skynet was attacked first, but not mentioning that Skynet "acted in self defense" by nuking the planet into a cinder. It wasn't until my second run through the Consensus mission that I caught that the war lasted a single year.

Exactally. I find it hard to believe that "millions upon millions", lilkely bordering or surpassing the billion mark, -99% of the entire quarian race- could all die within the span of a single year out of "self-defence." Especally since we know that the attack on the Tikkun system took place months after the original conflicts began and ended. They didn't even NEED Rannoch - they had plenty of other worlds taken, and they lived in stations anyway, so no need for extra space or resources. And the quarians were obviously incapable of stopping or harming the geth, and by leaving them where they were, they could have monitored the quarians closely, unlike when they were in the Migrant Fleet. WHY go farther and take the rest of their worlds when it WASN'T nessesary? What was the point, aside from being overly paranoid and overzelous in threat neturlization?
Things like that are either ignored, or never explained.
The geth do have a dark side. That's part of being a living being, which we are alwyas torn between deciding if the geth are or not. And that would also have added another layer to the story - are the geth living beings or not? What does that say about their dark side? How much did the quarians suffer in comparison to the geth?
This all seemed to be ignored in favor of a linear "geth are abused, quarians are idiots" storyline.

I think @Justafan is right about the Cylon infulence. Except they made them too sympathetic and ignored the tragadies that occured on the other side.
It's one thing to highlight the tragadies on the geth side, but another to completely cut out all the ones the quarians were put through.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 22 janvier 2013 - 03:25 .

[justafan]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

justafan wrote...

Shepard has his derpy moments.  Remember when he compared the genophage to the first contact war?

However, this just brings to light the obvious bias that the Rannoch arch plays to.  You are practically required to have played the past games and have extensive knowledge of the EU to get both sides of the story, which is quite unfortunate because knowing the Quarian's plight and the dark side of the Geth really adds a layer of gray to the conflict.

If they really wanted players to take the dangers of "inevitable synthetic/organic conflict" seriously, they shouldn't have swept that dark side under the rug.

If you can't make peace, it's like dropping an alien in the Terminator universe and telling it to choose which side gets to live, beating the hell out of the point that Skynet was attacked first, but not mentioning that Skynet "acted in self defense" by nuking the planet into a cinder. It wasn't until my second run through the Consensus mission that I caught that the war lasted a single year.

They just dropped the ball on the "synthetic/organic innevitable conflict" plot.  They go so far to paint the Geth in a positive light, then make the central conflict of the series "synthetics are evil and will kill you all eventually" in the final confrontation with the Catalyst.  The catalyst would make a lot more sense if you never met Legion or made peace on Rannoch.

And the Terminator is a great analogy for the Geth as far as the Morning War and the ME3 is concerned, though they are more Cylon in their thought process and function.

Modifié par justafan, 22 janvier 2013 - 03:22 .

[DeinonSlayer]

silverexile17s wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

justafan wrote...

Shepard has his derpy moments.  Remember when he compared the genophage to the first contact war?

However, this just brings to light the obvious bias that the Rannoch arch plays to.  You are practically required to have played the past games and have extensive knowledge of the EU to get both sides of the story, which is quite unfortunate because knowing the Quarian's plight and the dark side of the Geth really adds a layer of gray to the conflict.

If they really wanted players to take the dangers of "inevitable synthetic/organic conflict" seriously, they shouldn't have swept that dark side under the rug.

If you can't make peace, it's like dropping an alien in the Terminator universe and telling it to choose which side gets to live, beating the hell out of the point that Skynet was attacked first, but not mentioning that Skynet "acted in self defense" by nuking the planet into a cinder. It wasn't until my second run through the Consensus mission that I caught that the war lasted a single year.

Exactally. I find it hard to believe that "millions upon millions", lilkely bordering or surpassing the billion mark, -99% of the entire quarian race- could all die within the span of a single year out of "self-defence." Especally since we know that the attack on the Tikkun system took place months after the original conflicts began and ended. They didn't even NEED Rannoch - they had plenty of other worlds taken, and they lived in stations anyway, so no need for extra space or resources. And the quarians were obviously incapable of stopping or harming the geth, and by leaving them where they were, they could have monitored the quarians closely, unlike when they were in the Migrant Fleet. WHY go farther and take the rest of their worlds when it WASN'T nessesary? What was the point, aside from being overly paranoid and overzelous in threat neturlization?
Things like that are either ignored, or never explained.
The geth do have a dark side. That's part of being a living being, which we are alwyas torn between deciding if the geth are or not. And that would also have added another layer to the story - are the geth living beings or not? What does that say about their dark side? How much did the quarians suffer in comparison to the geth?
This all seemed to be ignored in favor of a linear "geth are abused, quarians are idiots" storyline.

Wait, what? Where does it say this (bolded section)?

[silverexile17s]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

justafan wrote...

Shepard has his derpy moments.  Remember when he compared the genophage to the first contact war?

However, this just brings to light the obvious bias that the Rannoch arch plays to.  You are practically required to have played the past games and have extensive knowledge of the EU to get both sides of the story, which is quite unfortunate because knowing the Quarian's plight and the dark side of the Geth really adds a layer of gray to the conflict.

If they really wanted players to take the dangers of "inevitable synthetic/organic conflict" seriously, they shouldn't have swept that dark side under the rug.

If you can't make peace, it's like dropping an alien in the Terminator universe and telling it to choose which side gets to live, beating the hell out of the point that Skynet was attacked first, but not mentioning that Skynet "acted in self defense" by nuking the planet into a cinder. It wasn't until my second run through the Consensus mission that I caught that the war lasted a single year.

Exactally. I find it hard to believe that "millions upon millions", lilkely bordering or surpassing the billion mark, -99% of the entire quarian race- could all die within the span of a single year out of "self-defence." Especally since we know that the attack on the Tikkun system took place months after the original conflicts began and ended. They didn't even NEED Rannoch - they had plenty of other worlds taken, and they lived in stations anyway, so no need for extra space or resources. And the quarians were obviously incapable of stopping or harming the geth, and by leaving them where they were, they could have monitored the quarians closely, unlike when they were in the Migrant Fleet. WHY go farther and take the rest of their worlds when it WASN'T nessesary? What was the point, aside from being overly paranoid and overzelous in threat neturlization?
Things like that are either ignored, or never explained.
The geth do have a dark side. That's part of being a living being, which we are alwyas torn between deciding if the geth are or not. And that would also have added another layer to the story - are the geth living beings or not? What does that say about their dark side? How much did the quarians suffer in comparison to the geth?
This all seemed to be ignored in favor of a linear "geth are abused, quarians are idiots" storyline.

Wait, what? Where does it say this (bolded section)?

Well,  truthfully I'm only guessing at months. I was trying to highglight the point that Rannoch and the Tikkun system was attacked well after the bulk of the conflict was over, and that the geth had no need to go so far anymore. And since the war, as you pointed out already, was a single year, then it was likely 2-3 months before the recorded end of the war that the Tikkun System was attacked.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 22 janvier 2013 - 03:29 .

[justafan]

silverexile17s wrote...

I think @Justafan is right about the Cylon infulence. Except they made them too sympathetic and ignored the tragadies that occured on the other side.
It's one thing to highlight the tragadies on the geth side, but another to completely cut out all the ones the quarians were put through.

That's just the thing.  Battlestar Galactica showed us the destruction of the 12 colonies, nukes and all.  Only after we were firmly aware of the evils of the Cylons do they start to humanize them and show how they can regret their actions and learn to be more human.  In ME3, it would be like skipping right to the BSG finale after only watching scenes from Caprica where humans are total jerks.  You might be inclined to wonder why the humans are trying to kill all these poor machines who only want to live forever.

[Sinophile]

Well, truthfully I'm only guessing at months. I was trying to highglight the point that Rannoch and the Tikkun system was attacked well after the bulk of the conflict was over, and that the geth had no need to go so far anymore. And since the war, as you pointed out already, was a single year, then it was likely 2-3 months before the recorded end of the war that the Tikkun System was attacked.

If I may use RL history as a comparison, Hiroshima was nuked out of "Self-Defense", and there is some debate over whether or not the Japanese surrendered. If a nest of cockroaches is living under your house, you aren't going to simply kill the ones that come up to your kitchen, you are going to hire an exterminator to fumigate the place

[Sundance31us]

silverexile17s wrote...

I think @Justafan is right about the Cylon infulence. Except they made them too sympathetic and ignored the tragadies that occured on the other side.
It's one thing to highlight the tragadies on the geth side, but another to completely cut out all the ones the quarians were put through.

Are you saying this conversation didn't take place?

[silverexile17s]

Sundance31us wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

I think @Justafan is right about the Cylon infulence. Except they made them too sympathetic and ignored the tragadies that occured on the other side.
It's one thing to highlight the tragadies on the geth side, but another to completely cut out all the ones the quarians were put through.

Are you saying this conversation didn't take place?

BUT it's never mentioned again. You'd need to play all three games to get the context, and even then, that conversation with Tali is never brought up again, or touched upon in the War arc. So that conversation may as well HAVE never taken place.

[silverexile17s]

Sinophile wrote...

Well, truthfully I'm only guessing at months. I was trying to highglight the point that Rannoch and the Tikkun system was attacked well after the bulk of the conflict was over, and that the geth had no need to go so far anymore. And since the war, as you pointed out already, was a single year, then it was likely 2-3 months before the recorded end of the war that the Tikkun System was attacked.

If I may use RL history as a comparison, Hiroshima was nuked out of "Self-Defense", and there is some debate over whether or not the Japanese surrendered. If a nest of cockroaches is living under your house, you aren't going to simply kill the ones that come up to your kitchen, you are going to hire an exterminator to fumigate the place

But there wasn't any need. They had more then enough of the quarians worlds. They already had devastated their economy and millitary by taking the majority of their worlds. There no longer was a need to keep going.
And that cockroach thing is applicaple to organics. Synthetics like the geth should not have seen a logical need to push them to the edge of genocide. And if they DID do it out of a form of early emotional responce, why do they never own up to it being their choice? They never once admit that they took Rannoch, not out of nessessity, but simply beacuse they wanted to cripple them beyond recovery. That they were overzelous in their counterattack.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 22 janvier 2013 - 03:59 .

[DeinonSlayer]

silverexile17s wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

I think @Justafan is right about the Cylon infulence. Except they made them too sympathetic and ignored the tragadies that occured on the other side.
It's one thing to highlight the tragadies on the geth side, but another to completely cut out all the ones the quarians were put through.

Are you saying this conversation didn't take place?

BUT it's never mentioned again. You'd need to play all three games to get the context, and even then, that conversation with Tali is never brought up again, or touched upon in the War arc. So that conversation may as well HAVE never taken place.

I also can't help but notice that the only dialogue options in that conversation are "they defended themselves," "this was your fault," "what did you expect," "serves you right" etc. Fortunately Shepard had more freedom to opine either way in the sequels, but a lot of this information simply melted into the background to make way for a more sympathetic image of the Geth, never to be mentioned again.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 22 janvier 2013 - 04:08 .

[silverexile17s]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

I think @Justafan is right about the Cylon infulence. Except they made them too sympathetic and ignored the tragadies that occured on the other side.
It's one thing to highlight the tragadies on the geth side, but another to completely cut out all the ones the quarians were put through.

Are you saying this conversation didn't take place?

BUT it's never mentioned again. You'd need to play all three games to get the context, and even then, that conversation with Tali is never brought up again, or touched upon in the War arc. So that conversation may as well HAVE never taken place.

I also can't help but notice that the only dialogue options in that conversation are "they defended themselves," "this was your fault," "what did you expect," "serves you right" etc.

Indeed. Although, I could forgive that part, as we didn't know about the schisim between the geth, but the point is:
The geth have all the quarians worlds and resources.
The quarians are stranded in a fleet made of ships that are constantly on the brink.
Geth can "naturally" live forever, and losing their bodies doesn't garuntee death.
Quarians die if their suits tear.
Maybe things were a bit stacked against the geth in the start, but they still caused more damage then was nessessary, even before storming Rannoch. You can't tell me that looking at their positions by ME1, it's that hard a choice to see who has in bad in the here and now.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 22 janvier 2013 - 04:06 .

[KiwiQuiche]

Yeah, why did the geth do that? We could have made them cannon fodder. Or extra food.

[DeinonSlayer]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

*derp*

...no comment.

[Sundance31us]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Yeah, why did the geth do that? We could have made them cannon fodder. Or extra food.

Insufficient meat on those metal bones and the meat that is there is a little too gamy to eat.

[silverexile17s]

Sundance31us wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Yeah, why did the geth do that? We could have made them cannon fodder. Or extra food.

Insufficient meat on those metal bones and the meat that is there is a little too gamy to eat.

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Um.... how does one respond to that?

[DeinonSlayer]

silverexile17s wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Yeah, why did the geth do that? We could have made them cannon fodder. Or extra food.

Insufficient meat on those metal bones and the meat that is there is a little too gamy to eat.

....
Um.... how does one respond to that?

Spiderman pictures? Or are those reserved for lewd threads?

[KiwiQuiche]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

*derp*

...no comment.

Lol at someone taking me seriously. Quick, ignite the righteous quarian RAEG

Sundance31us wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Yeah, why did the geth do that? We could have made them cannon fodder. Or extra food.

Insufficient meat on those metal bones and the meat that is there is a little too gamy to eat.

Hmm, we could stick them in giant slingshots and hurl them at our opponents. Their suits would be kinda hard and pointy.

[silverexile17s]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Yeah, why did the geth do that? We could have made them cannon fodder. Or extra food.

Insufficient meat on those metal bones and the meat that is there is a little too gamy to eat.

....
Um.... how does one respond to that?

Spiderman pictures? Or are those reserved for lewd threads?

Perhaps Legion's qoute on that turian merchant wanting to make a lamp out of a geth head.
"That functionality is not to spec."
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qqLj8Kr-Ho:P

[Kileyan]

The geth killed them because they have no feelings at all, it was just efficient to do so.

Imagine you got a computer virus, and the pop up dialog said: delete this virus or delete this virus but let parts of it remain active. Why in the world would you choose the latter? Geth are the same way, they don't see cute large baby eyes of kitties, puppies or humanoids and have a natural urge to save and protect them.

They just see something that would be efficient to delete. That is why they are scary(to me)