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[goose2989]

Writer fiat

[DeinonSlayer]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

is that the ME3 codex?

It never changed from ME1. Given it says that in the codex entry on Geth in the ME3 datapad app, I have no reason to believe the in-game entry is different. I don't have the game itself in front of me at the moment.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 22 janvier 2013 - 08:15 .

[DirtySHISN0]

DeinonSlayer wrote...
It never changed from ME1. Given it says that in the codex entry on Geth in the ME3 datapad app, I have no reason to believe the in-game entry is different. I don't have the game itself in front of me at the moment.

I wouldn't know, i've only read the in game codex for ME1. I assumed they would alter it to meet their story telling needs.

You might may be right......but still

Modifié par DirtySHISN0, 22 janvier 2013 - 08:18 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Where do I find pictures like that?

[silverexile17s]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

They are like Spartains, but take it further -  There litterally is no distinction between warrior and civilian in their culture.
Another clue to this is actually in that geth recording in the Geth Server mission. You see a geth picking up what looks like a Widow Sniper Rifle. This, combined with the Widow's ME2 discription of being unable to be fired by a typacal organic (without breaking their arm), has led to speculation that it was actually a quarian invention that the geth preserved, leading to the speculation that the quarians created weapons spicifically designed for geth to use.
If the quarians were building weapons for them, that couldn't be used by anyone else besides other geth, then it means that the geth were designed to take up a combat role if the situation required.

It's a bit contradictory. The ME3 description of the Widow says it's a Geth weapon which other species have since redesigned so it won't break the arm of anyone using it. ME2 says it's an antimateriel rifle used for fighting armored vehicles and Krogan. Were the Quarians at war with the Krogan at some point?

Also @Shisn0, what does rule 11 have to do with anything? I don't recall having impersonated a moderator.

It would make sense for the quarians to give the geth weapons to carry like that, if the geth were ment to double as shock troops.
Nothing says "don't mess with us" like a fearless robot that can be armed with a krogan-killing weapon at a moment's notice.
Although, you'd think the Council would take notice of that. Then again, this is the group whose massive resources, STG teams and Spectre operitives couldn't find a trace of the Collector's existance in, what, a year to six month's worth of abuctions? Them not being in the loop seems par for the course.

[DeinonSlayer]

silverexile17s wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

They are like Spartains, but take it further -  There litterally is no distinction between warrior and civilian in their culture.
Another clue to this is actually in that geth recording in the Geth Server mission. You see a geth picking up what looks like a Widow Sniper Rifle. This, combined with the Widow's ME2 discription of being unable to be fired by a typacal organic (without breaking their arm), has led to speculation that it was actually a quarian invention that the geth preserved, leading to the speculation that the quarians created weapons spicifically designed for geth to use.
If the quarians were building weapons for them, that couldn't be used by anyone else besides other geth, then it means that the geth were designed to take up a combat role if the situation required.

It's a bit contradictory. The ME3 description of the Widow says it's a Geth weapon which other species have since redesigned so it won't break the arm of anyone using it. ME2 says it's an antimateriel rifle used for fighting armored vehicles and Krogan. Were the Quarians at war with the Krogan at some point?

Also @Shisn0, what does rule 11 have to do with anything? I don't recall having impersonated a moderator.

It would make sense for the quarians to give the geth weapons to carry like that, if the geth were ment to double as shock troops.
Nothing says "don't mess with us" like a fearless robot that can be armed with a krogan-killing weapon at a moment's notice.
Although, you'd think the Council would take notice of that. Then again, this is the group whose massive resources, STG teams and Spectre operitives couldn't find a trace of the Collector's existance in, what, a year to six month's worth of abuctions? Them not being in the loop seems par for the course.

The Geth were probably looked at with no more trepidation than LOKI security mechs are now, up until they started dabbling in philosophy.

[Sundance31us]

Codex? I prefer to interrogate NPCs, eavesdrop on their conversations and violate their privacy via Shadow Broker files.

Modifié par Sundance31us, 22 janvier 2013 - 09:30 .

[silverexile17s]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

They are like Spartains, but take it further -  There litterally is no distinction between warrior and civilian in their culture.
Another clue to this is actually in that geth recording in the Geth Server mission. You see a geth picking up what looks like a Widow Sniper Rifle. This, combined with the Widow's ME2 discription of being unable to be fired by a typacal organic (without breaking their arm), has led to speculation that it was actually a quarian invention that the geth preserved, leading to the speculation that the quarians created weapons spicifically designed for geth to use.
If the quarians were building weapons for them, that couldn't be used by anyone else besides other geth, then it means that the geth were designed to take up a combat role if the situation required.

It's a bit contradictory. The ME3 description of the Widow says it's a Geth weapon which other species have since redesigned so it won't break the arm of anyone using it. ME2 says it's an antimateriel rifle used for fighting armored vehicles and Krogan. Were the Quarians at war with the Krogan at some point?

Also @Shisn0, what does rule 11 have to do with anything? I don't recall having impersonated a moderator.

It would make sense for the quarians to give the geth weapons to carry like that, if the geth were ment to double as shock troops.
Nothing says "don't mess with us" like a fearless robot that can be armed with a krogan-killing weapon at a moment's notice.
Although, you'd think the Council would take notice of that. Then again, this is the group whose massive resources, STG teams and Spectre operitives couldn't find a trace of the Collector's existance in, what, a year to six month's worth of abuctions? Them not being in the loop seems par for the course.

The Geth were probably looked at with no more trepidation than LOKI security mechs are now, up until they started dabbling in philosophy.

True. But then again, LOKI mechs are monitored products (at least mostly). The geth were an independant product of the quarians. You'd think that the Council would have kept a closer eye on things. Especally when the rebellions started. They could have prevented  full war from breaking out.

Or, perhaps it was that incident that bred the stricter laws we see in the games. Would make sense.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 22 janvier 2013 - 09:40 .

[cyrexwingblade]

I'm amused this debate keeps going. The Geth and Quarians are both flawed races trying to kill each other. That's it.

[Ranger Jack Walker]

cyrexwingblade wrote...

I'm amused this debate keeps going. The Geth and Quarians are both flawed races trying to kill each other. That's it.

Exactly. To say that one deserves death more than the other is flat out ridiculous. Personally, if I had to save one and only one, I would pick the Geth but no because they deserve to live more than the Quarians but because their fleet is just flat out better.

[silverexile17s]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

cyrexwingblade wrote...

I'm amused this debate keeps going. The Geth and Quarians are both flawed races trying to kill each other. That's it.

Exactly. To say that one deserves death more than the other is flat out ridiculous. Personally, if I had to save one and only one, I would pick the Geth but no because they deserve to live more than the Quarians but because their fleet is just flat out better.

See. What you just said there. THAT'S why debates like this keep going.

[DeinonSlayer]

silverexile17s wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

They are like Spartains, but take it further -  There litterally is no distinction between warrior and civilian in their culture.
Another clue to this is actually in that geth recording in the Geth Server mission. You see a geth picking up what looks like a Widow Sniper Rifle. This, combined with the Widow's ME2 discription of being unable to be fired by a typacal organic (without breaking their arm), has led to speculation that it was actually a quarian invention that the geth preserved, leading to the speculation that the quarians created weapons spicifically designed for geth to use.
If the quarians were building weapons for them, that couldn't be used by anyone else besides other geth, then it means that the geth were designed to take up a combat role if the situation required.

It's a bit contradictory. The ME3 description of the Widow says it's a Geth weapon which other species have since redesigned so it won't break the arm of anyone using it. ME2 says it's an antimateriel rifle used for fighting armored vehicles and Krogan. Were the Quarians at war with the Krogan at some point?

Also @Shisn0, what does rule 11 have to do with anything? I don't recall having impersonated a moderator.

It would make sense for the quarians to give the geth weapons to carry like that, if the geth were ment to double as shock troops.
Nothing says "don't mess with us" like a fearless robot that can be armed with a krogan-killing weapon at a moment's notice.
Although, you'd think the Council would take notice of that. Then again, this is the group whose massive resources, STG teams and Spectre operitives couldn't find a trace of the Collector's existance in, what, a year to six month's worth of abuctions? Them not being in the loop seems par for the course.

The Geth were probably looked at with no more trepidation than LOKI security mechs are now, up until they started dabbling in philosophy.

True. But then again, LOKI mechs are monitored products (at least mostly). The geth were an independant product of the quarians. You'd think that the Council would have kept a closer eye on things. Especally when the rebellions started. They could have prevented  full war from breaking out.

Or, perhaps it was that incident that bred the stricter laws we see in the games. Would make sense.

From the ME1 conversations and ME: Revelation, it sounds like artificial intelligence was always banned by the Council - only now, they point to the Quarians as an example of why it should be. Would the Morning War would have happened at all if Council law hadn't compelled the Quarian government at the time to try to shut them down? If Shanxi is any example, the punishment for not doing so would have been severe.

[Cyrax86]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

xBLAKx Skytop wrote...
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Lets look at what we know;

1- Quarians use salavaged (sometimes ancient) pieces of crap for ships.
2- Assuming they still have life pods given ships; age, alterations, converted spaces, disused or broken parts.
3- They attached weapons to every single ship in the fleet, even live ships with their civilians.
4- Gerrel makes sure that every ship must join the assault or face loss.
5- They live on these ships and would sooner die with them than abandon.
6- Geth don't understand the distinction between a ship and the crew, hostile ship = dead ship.
7- All Geth are civilians.
8- There are only 17 million quarians - even with a few thousand survivors from this number, they may not recover.

It always comes back to the quarians own mistakes, now this doesn't justify their extinction, but it also doesn't put forward a very promising argument for supporting these **** ups.

 
1,2-  Most races would not help them, Most equipment/ships are salvaged/scavanged or bought. 3- Their civilian ships need some type of protection either against the Geth or the Reapers. 4-If the civilian ships didn't join or chose to abandon their fleet, how long would they have lasted against the Reapers without the protection of their military ships. 5- Because they have no were else to go, Which other race would shelter millions of Quarians, you've seen how other races treat the Quarians and how they view them. 6.7- No, but just for the sake of argument, Quarians attaching weapons to their civilian ships = idiotic, so if all Geth are civilians then who is fighting the Quarians and shooting at shep, (pre-ME3)how are the Geth attacking any ship that enters their area of space. 

 300 years ago the Quarians created the Geth, those Quarians are no longer around and yet all Quarians are still punished for it, 
 :S We should all be perfect like the Geth and never make any mistakes, lets all join the Reapers and doom the rest of the galaxy just to get a few more days of existence, or enslaved the rest of our life or turned to goo. :S

[Meltemph]

^I dont care what the situation is, the moment you realize the geth called the reapers or that your super gun is now useless, you run, regroup and re-analyze your actions. The fact they didn't is a bit...umm, sad? Regardless of who does what, the mentality behind staying and fighting, what was obviously a losing battle is lost on me.

[Edolix]

Meltemph wrote...

^I dont care what the situation is, the moment you realize the geth called the reapers or that your super gun is now useless, you run, regroup and re-analyze your actions. The fact they didn't is a bit...umm, sad? Regardless of who does what, the mentality behind staying and fighting, what was obviously a losing battle is lost on me.

The Geth had blockaded the Relay.

[Meltemph]

Edolix wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

^I dont care what the situation is, the moment you realize the geth called the reapers or that your super gun is now useless, you run, regroup and re-analyze your actions. The fact they didn't is a bit...umm, sad? Regardless of who does what, the mentality behind staying and fighting, what was obviously a losing battle is lost on me.

The Geth had blockaded the Relay.

After the fact, yes.  Not before.

[Edolix]

Meltemph wrote...

Edolix wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

^I dont care what the situation is, the moment you realize the geth called the reapers or that your super gun is now useless, you run, regroup and re-analyze your actions. The fact they didn't is a bit...umm, sad? Regardless of who does what, the mentality behind staying and fighting, what was obviously a losing battle is lost on me.

The Geth had blockaded the Relay.

After the fact, yes.  Not before.

How do you know?

[Gredd18]

Anyway, think about this, if they'd run, they'd show the geth their spaceships bare, unarmoured arse. The geth would have ripped through the sheilds, disabled the flight cores, and massacured them. It's basic tactical space warfare. Rear ends are less armoured. I have yet to see a ship fly into battle backwards. Why? It probably isn't possible, and if it is, damned slow.

[silverexile17s]

Meltemph wrote...

^I dont care what the situation is, the moment you realize the geth called the reapers or that your super gun is now useless, you run, regroup and re-analyze your actions. The fact they didn't is a bit...umm, sad? Regardless of who does what, the mentality behind staying and fighting, what was obviously a losing battle is lost on me.

If you paied attention to Gerrel's briefing, you would know that the same moment the Reapers took over the geth was the same moment they blockaded the Tikkun Relay, preventing anyone in Rannoch's system from leaving. (Unless you had a stealth drive, like the Normandy)
The quarians didn't realize till a bit too late that the geth had Reaper upgrades, and because the geth moved so fast under Reaper direction, the geth had blocked off the relay before they even realized Xen's weapons had become worthless.
Once the Reaper's took over the show, the quarians were trapped. You learn of them being trapped the moment you first meet them, and you learn the blockade around the relay when on the mission to rescue Koris, as Xen tells you several civilian ships want to try to run the blockade. In which case, if you fail to save Koris, they attempt, and are swiftly killed.
THAT'S why they didn't retreat. It wasn't that they didn't, because Gerrel knew the value of a tactical retreat. (Unless presented with a target he couldn't refuse to hit, like the disabled flagship of the geth's Rannoch fleet.)
They couldn't pull back after the geth got Reaper help. So no, it's not sad in the least.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 23 janvier 2013 - 02:02 .

[Shallyah]

I once was bitten by a wasp IN MY OWN HOME! I'm allergic to wasps and I was very sick and borderline life-threatened for several days. At first I tried to swat it dead, but it escaped, and I didn't chase it out of mercy (and because I was a bit in a hurry to see to my wound). Some years later, another wasp bit me AGAIN IN MY OWN HOME! I should say that at this point it is morally correct that I exterminate all wasps off the face of this planet before they have the chance to do it again. It is the only logical thing to do.

When I'm brought in for trial, I'm sure the jury will agree that it's perfectly fine to completely and relentlessly exterminate a whole species that I find hostile and nocive to my interests out of a personal vendetta. I mean, the only alternative is to allow the wasps to exist so that one of them might try to bite me again sometime in future.

Modifié par Shallyah, 23 janvier 2013 - 02:38 .

[marcelo caldas]

Dhoozy77 wrote...

As I underztand it they put the civilian fleet with weapons full of children I might add. Then once the heavy fleet was destroyed you can clearly hear the quarian trying to run yet the geth after their upgrade was still slaughtering them. Then as the quarian ships fell from the sky the geth moblie platforms killed the survivor otherwise. Admiral ran would have walked up to shepard but that red geth clearly show that it came alone probably killing admiral ran on the way down to shepard. Their children is all gone that why tali jump and sucide. The civilian was teying to run but the geth weren't having any of it. They genocidally and vindicitvely finish the entire fleet off.

the quarians sure deserved it

[Shallyah]

caldas wrote...

Dhoozy77 wrote...

As I underztand it they put the civilian fleet with weapons full of children I might add. Then once the heavy fleet was destroyed you can clearly hear the quarian trying to run yet the geth after their upgrade was still slaughtering them. Then as the quarian ships fell from the sky the geth moblie platforms killed the survivor otherwise. Admiral ran would have walked up to shepard but that red geth clearly show that it came alone probably killing admiral ran on the way down to shepard. Their children is all gone that why tali jump and sucide. The civilian was teying to run but the geth weren't having any of it. They genocidally and vindicitvely finish the entire fleet off.

the quarians sure deserved it

I agree with you mate.

Just like all those pesky children in Afghanistan, Gaza Strip and such war-torn places deserve when they get blown up by missiles. They asked for it, and they had it coming. 

What, you want nothing with the war and already lost three children? Too bad! Should have told your leaders to stop being ****s (not that they would listen to you, but that's also your problem). Now all you get is total extinction. A completely deserved one.

Modifié par Shallyah, 23 janvier 2013 - 02:47 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Shallyah wrote...

caldas wrote...

Dhoozy77 wrote...

As I underztand it they put the civilian fleet with weapons full of children I might add. Then once the heavy fleet was destroyed you can clearly hear the quarian trying to run yet the geth after their upgrade was still slaughtering them. Then as the quarian ships fell from the sky the geth moblie platforms killed the survivor otherwise. Admiral ran would have walked up to shepard but that red geth clearly show that it came alone probably killing admiral ran on the way down to shepard. Their children is all gone that why tali jump and sucide. The civilian was teying to run but the geth weren't having any of it. They genocidally and vindicitvely finish the entire fleet off.

the quarians sure deserved it

I agree with you mate.

Just like all those pesky children in Afghanistan, Gaza Strip and such war-torn places deserve when they get blown up by missiles. They asked for it, and they had it coming.

What, you are pacifist and lost three children? Too bad! Go tell your leaders to stop being ****s, now all you get is total extinction. A completely morally correct and just one.

Jona who?



It's OK. I'm sure if a few options were swapped to the opposite side of the dialogue wheel he'd be here arguing for the other side.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 23 janvier 2013 - 02:49 .

[DistantUtopia]

Meltemph wrote...

Probably over thinking this. It was probably just as simple as BW wanted the cost to be "even".

^^

[silverexile17s]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

caldas wrote...

Dhoozy77 wrote...

As I underztand it they put the civilian fleet with weapons full of children I might add. Then once the heavy fleet was destroyed you can clearly hear the quarian trying to run yet the geth after their upgrade was still slaughtering them. Then as the quarian ships fell from the sky the geth moblie platforms killed the survivor otherwise. Admiral ran would have walked up to shepard but that red geth clearly show that it came alone probably killing admiral ran on the way down to shepard. Their children is all gone that why tali jump and sucide. The civilian was teying to run but the geth weren't having any of it. They genocidally and vindicitvely finish the entire fleet off.

the quarians sure deserved it

I agree with you mate.

Just like all those pesky children in Afghanistan, Gaza Strip and such war-torn places deserve when they get blown up by missiles. They asked for it, and they had it coming.

What, you are pacifist and lost three children? Too bad! Go tell your leaders to stop being ****s, now all you get is total extinction. A completely morally correct and just one.

Jona who?



It's OK. I'm sure if a few options were swapped to the opposite side of the dialogue wheel he'd be here arguing for the other side.

I may be pro-synthetic, myself, but even I have to admit that I don't know how so many people can be so harsh on the quarians for a choice that was their only option.