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[Cyrax86]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Cyrax86 wrote...
3- Their civilian ships need some type of protection either against the Geth or the Reapers. 

They were weaponised specifically to fight the geth.

Cyrax86 wrote...
4-If the civilian ships didn't join or chose to abandon their fleet, how long would they have lasted against the Reapers without the protection of their military ships. 

Missed the point, Gerrel made it so that they had no choice when they could otherwise have retreated to council space through the relay. You know, so the civilians didn't have to fight.

Cyrax86 wrote...
5- Because they have no were else to go, Which other race would shelter millions of Quarians, you've seen how other races treat the Quarians and how they view them. 

because they refuse to attempt colonisation on a new world.

Cyrax86 wrote...
6.7- Quarians attaching weapons to their civilian ships = idiotic
 

Stupid? yes. Idiotic? yes.

Cyrax86 wrote...
300 years ago the Quarians created the Geth, those Quarians are no longer around and yet all Quarians are still punished for it

For all the mistakes they are still making. finished your sentence. They don't learn, they just repeat.

Cyrax86 wrote...
lets all join the Reapers and doom the rest of the galaxy just to get a few more days of existence, or enslaved the rest of our life or turned to goo. :S

Once again, that was the Quarians fault.

It always comes back to the quarians mistakes.

  They would eventually be used against the Reapers, a ship without a way to defend it self would have been an easy target for the Reapers. 
the Geth blocked the relay, preventing escape. 
So the Quarians should pay for their "mistake", while the Geth get a free pass. Geth killed billions of innocent Quarians (and potentially other visiting alien races. in ME2 the Asari Erinya says she lost her bondmate during the initial Geth uprising) during the morning war, Geth allowed the Heretics to leave knowing fully that they would attack organic races, they did nothing to stop Heretics or separate themselves from them, they attacked any ship entering their area of space. then they join the Reapers. Then the Heretics mistakes as well, and Legion withholding information during Rannoch missions. 
Quarians attack the Geth, Quarians are winning, Geth lose intelligence and run to the Reapers. Geth winning, Reapers no longer have a reason to attack/harvest Quarians(at least not so soon). 

No Quarian attack on Geth, Reapers have a reason to get involved, Geth and Quarians fight Reapers, Geth lose intelligence over the course of the fight, they choose submission over extinction and side with Reapers, Quarians get blindsided. 

[justafan]

With all this arguing over it being a bad idea to arm the civilian, is it ever even stated that the Geth exterminate the civilians because they were armed?

We can assume that some of the original vessels fleeing Rannoch were armed, and the geth did not kill them then. I think it more has to do with the fact the Geth see the Quarians as a threat that must be ended, hence the total annihilation. Armed civilians or no, they let the Quarians go once due to confusion, and then 300 years later they are on the brink of losing to those people's descendants. The geth probably calculate that it is not worth the risk letting people go again so that they can breed descendants who will come back and finish the job. They would have killed the civilians regardless of their ships being armed, it is future Quarians that the Geth target at that point, not armed ships.

[Cyrax86]

Auld Wulf wrote...

EDIT: Considering that the quarian military shot at a ship that Shepard was still in... maybe they are that evil. Maybe they did just outfit their civilian ships with weapons so that they could send them out to die. Who knows? I really don't know with the quarian military any more whether they're evil, or stupid, or both. It would explain the Dawn War though if they did the same things, there. Like holding children captive whilst sending civilian parents out to fight the geth. I woudln't put it past them.
Didn't the quarian military also gun down loads of quarian civilians for nothing more than wanting to protect the geth, too? Geez. I really wish I'd been able to take out the quarian military in ME3, it would have been better for everyone.

you mean the Geth dreadnought that was coming back online and would have resumed firing on Quarians fleet and trapped Shep inside. Where were the Quarians going to house millions of civilians with no home world, allies or any race willing to help them? :facepalm: The Geth killed billions of innocent including children during the Morning war, they bombed cities and used chemical weapons on them. 
:double facepalm: no, we see one get taken down and put into custody, another killed by an explosion trying to protect a Geth.

[silverexile17s]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Uh, no. The weaponising is idiocy, it creates targets. In any military scenario, adding weapons to a civilian fleet just creates more targets. What should happen is that you keep your civilian fleet protected behind a barricade of ships. This just proves how amazingly inept the quarian military is. I have many problems with the quarian military (though not really the quarians themselves), and this is one of them. (Though not their biggest, their outright and inexcusable fascism would be their biggest.)

What you do with civilian ships is just equip them with shields and engines, and you have them divert as much power to those as possible. Giving them guns just ensures that something's going to shoot back. The reapers don't shoot back unless you shoot at them because ultimately they prefer to harvest, so even there adding guns is folly. In regards to the geth? The geth fire in self-defence only, so they only shoot at those who're shooting at them.

Essentially, adding guns to civilian ships? It's signing their death warrant. Behold the utter stupidity of teh quarian military! The quarians as a people are okay, but it's almost like they're two distinct species - the civilians and the military; and the military has only a tenth of the intellect of the civilians. They need to take a good, long, hard look at their life choices. Not only that, but the quarian military has always forced the geth into a defence posture, as Shepard pointed out. Pretty much everything bad that's happened to the quarians is the fault of their imbecilic military.

You can blame the quarians, but if you take a look at the empirical evidence as presented in the game, the only people who really have any blame are the quarian military. Not the geth (who're basically quarian civilian synthetics), not the quarian civilians, but just the quarian military. To be honest, I wish they'd had a moment of smartness and NOT outfitted civilian ships with guns. Then the geth could have taken out the military and the quarian civilians and the geth could have had a lovely happily ever after.

Then again, I suppose you could say that it's not stupidity on the part of their military, but rather selfishness; you could say that the reason they put guns on civilian ships would be to send them out to die, first, to thin geth numbers, thus protecting the military. You could say that this was a fairly orchestrated effort by the military to sacrifice their people so that they'll survive. But I'm more charitable than that. I'd rather think that they're just plain dumb.

Or maybe it's a bit of column A and a bit of column B, who knows?

EDIT: Considering that the quarian military shot at a ship that Shepard was still in... maybe they are that evil. Maybe they did just outfit their civilian ships with weapons so that they could send them out to die. Who knows? I really don't know with the quarian military any more whether they're evil, or stupid, or both. It would explain the Dawn War though if they did the same things, there. Like holding children captive whilst sending civilian parents out to fight the geth. I woudln't put it past them.

Didn't the quarian military also gun down loads of quarian civilians for nothing more than wanting to protect the geth, too? Geez. I really wish I'd been able to take out the quarian military in ME3, it would have been better for everyone.

The Reapers - giant 2 kilometer long race of immortal living starships - are ripping the galaxy to shreads, and putting guns on anything you can mount them on is idiocy?
They would have needed to weaponize those ships REGARDLESS of going after the geth or not. Reapers attack unarmed ships first.
You either arm the ships and make them targets for the geth alongside your combat ships, with your anti-geth weapon. Or you leave them unarmed and make them the primary targets of the Reapers, which have no surefire weakness to exploit.
Which of the two scenerios sounds the less risky?
Idiocy, my ass. If the galaxy was ending, I'd arm anything I could, regardless. That's basic prep for what's escentally the apoclypse. NOT arming them would be a Dead on Arrival invite.

And also, the Migrant Fleet is totally interdependant on each other, which is ironically not too disimilar to the geth.
They rely on the civilian ships for raw supplies (food, fuel, repair materials, ect) that the combat ships need. And in turn, they rely on the combat ships for perotection. Split them up, and one couldn't survive without the other. The civilian ships would be defensless, and easy pickings, and the combat ships would be unable to sustain a drawn out conflict. So not bringing the civilian ships wasn't an option. Taking them in was a nessessity. They either commit fully, or don't. With the state of their ships, they can't be divided.

And you CAN'T absolve the geth of everything. They've made mistakes as well. If they hadn't been completely isolated, hadn't killed everyone that went into the vale, and, most notably, hadn't sat on their hands and let the Heretics light up the Citadel and half the Attican Traverse, then they wouldn't have been so feared and hated. People would have sympathised with them more if they at least tried to open up to the rest of the galaxy.
And even though the quarians started it all, I refuse to believe that the geth exterminated millions upon millions- 99% of the entire quarian race, purely out of self defence. Especally since they attacked and took Rannoch at the end of the war, when thay had more then enough worlds, and had crippled the quarians so that they already weren't a threat at that point. There was no need, so why take Rannoch?
They were overzelous and parinoid. They've made mistakes too. You can't pretend they're isolationist methodology didn't contribute to the outcome of this war.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 24 janvier 2013 - 12:10 .

[silverexile17s]

justafan wrote...

With all this arguing over it being a bad idea to arm the civilian, is it ever even stated that the Geth exterminate the civilians because they were armed?

We can assume that some of the original vessels fleeing Rannoch were armed, and the geth did not kill them then. I think it more has to do with the fact the Geth see the Quarians as a threat that must be ended, hence the total annihilation. Armed civilians or no, they let the Quarians go once due to confusion, and then 300 years later they are on the brink of losing to those people's descendants. The geth probably calculate that it is not worth the risk letting people go again so that they can breed descendants who will come back and finish the job. They would have killed the civilians regardless of their ships being armed, it is future Quarians that the Geth target at that point, not armed ships.

Indeed. Those ships would have been attacked regardless of Reaper intervention.

[Gredd18]

If the geth let the quarians go, they'd just make the reapers stick around for longer. Anyway, the geth could have been intelligent and blown the liveships. Quarians starve, minimilistic casualties for the geth, lots of scrap. Easy.

[silverexile17s]

Gredd18 wrote...

If the geth let the quarians go, they'd just make the reapers stick around for longer. Anyway, the geth could have been intelligent and blown the liveships. Quarians starve, minimilistic casualties for the geth, lots of scrap. Easy.

The geth may be overzelous, but they don't seem sadistic. They seem to prefer quick and painless death. Although it's still death.

[Dhoozy77]

silverexile17s wrote...

Gredd18 wrote...

If the geth let the quarians go, they'd just make the reapers stick around for longer. Anyway, the geth could have been intelligent and blown the liveships. Quarians starve, minimilistic casualties for the geth, lots of scrap. Easy.

The geth may be overzelous, but they don't seem sadistic. They seem to prefer quick and painless death. Although it's still death.

Don't be to sure on that, they shot that Quarian in the stomach then let him bleed out in Rannoch remember?

[silverexile17s]

Dhoozy77 wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Gredd18 wrote...

If the geth let the quarians go, they'd just make the reapers stick around for longer. Anyway, the geth could have been intelligent and blown the liveships. Quarians starve, minimilistic casualties for the geth, lots of scrap. Easy.

The geth may be overzelous, but they don't seem sadistic. They seem to prefer quick and painless death. Although it's still death.

Don't be to sure on that, they shot that Quarian in the stomach then let him bleed out in Rannoch remember?

Don't know if that was intentonal. They may never have known he survived that gut-shot.

[Dhoozy77]

Tali said that the Geth do not take prisoner and that they make sure everyone dies. That was intentional especially since a quarian can never play possom due to the suit.

[silverexile17s]

Dhoozy77 wrote...

Tali said that the Geth do not take prisoner and that they make sure everyone dies. That was intentional especially since a quarian can never play possom due to the suit.

The killing part, yes. Not the prolounged suffering part. It's inefficant.
Only the Heretics used those tactics, if I recall.

[silverexile17s]

Calinstel wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Dhoozy77 wrote...

Tali said that the Geth do not take prisoner and that they make sure everyone dies. That was intentional especially since a quarian can never play possom due to the suit.

The killing part, yes. Not the prolounged suffering part. It's inefficant.
Only the Heretics used those tactics, if I recall.

In the end, they were all heretics.

Not willingly. The same desperation that drove the quarians to attack them, forced them in turn to side with the Reapers. So no, they weren't all Heretics.

[BeastSaver]

So many who see something so differently! My impression of the timing of events:
Quarians create VIs that gradually turn into AIs and ask a question that scares the quarians.
The quarians send out a message to all quarians (on Rannoch and all their colonies) to terminate the geth in hopes that they are not quite AIs yet.
The geth, however, are sentient and defend themselves, but they let the last of the quarians escape because they could not come to a consensus regarding the ramifications of the total anhilation of a species.
The geth isolate themselves behind the Perseus veil.
The geth are approched by the reapers and offered (falsely) the promise of full sentience. Less than five percent of the geth (heretics) decide to accept and wind up under Sovereign's control in order to aid Saren in his quest to find the Conduit to unlock the Citadel relay so the reapers could return and harvest the galaxy.
In the meantime, Legion is following in Shepard's footsteps. The reason for this isn't clear except the true geth are interested in Shepard's fight against the heretics/Saren/Soverign.
Fast forward two years:
The geth find that the heretics are planning to use a reaper-provided virus to make all geth follow the reapers; Legion is sent out to the derelict reaper so as to gain an understanding of the structure of the virus.
Shepard happens to go to the derelict reaper and winds up salvaging Legion's platform. Once the platform is reactivated, Shepard volunteers to help Legion destroy the heretics' home base.
When on the heretic base, it comes to light they can be rewritten instead. Shepard is the one who decides to destroy or rewrite.
Legion leaves the Normandy after the suicide mission and returns to Rannoch. The geth build the Dyson Sphere in order to end their isolation from each other.
The geth also begin to prepare for war with the reapers as they have no "council" that poo-poos the notion that there are "reapers" out there.
In the meantime:
The quarians develop their "flashbang" weapon after sifting through what's left of the Alarai.
Once they feel assured that they can win, they attack the Dyson Sphere, destroying a good portion of geth programs that could not escape, thus reducing the geth to survival mode (with every program destroyed, their intelligence dims).
At this point the reapers offer to save the geth; the geths' intelligence had dimmed and they wanted to live. Not having any organic allies at this point, they come to consensus (not easily) that in order to survive, they must accept.
The relay is blockaded so that quarian ships are trapped in-system.
The quarians ask Shepard for help.
(My) Shepard goes onto the geth dreadnaught to destroy the reaper signal so the quarians can escape through the mass relay.
Legion is freed and the reaper signal is disabled. Legion shuts down all weapons and shields in a gesture of good will.
Admiral Gerrel fires upon the dreadnaught with Shepard aboard, with no regard for Shepard's pivotal role in the war against the reapers, instead of using the opportunity of leaving the system. (Some will say that it takes days for the quarian fleet to use the relay - I think that bit of lore got left by the wayside, because it doesn't take days for Sword to use the Sol relay).
Legion volunteers the knowledge that the signal will only be down for a short time.
Legion helps Shepard and the quarians find the location of the signal on Rannoch and facilitates its destruction.
Again, instead of leaving the system, Admiral Gerrel prepares to finish the geth off.
The geth only wish to live and Legion asks if they deserve death. Then comes the soul part (people on BSN disagree on this point - sometimes stridently).
Shepard decides who lives or convinces Admiral Gerrel to stand down.
You may agree or disagree with me, but this is the progression of events that I saw.

Modifié par BeastSaver, 24 janvier 2013 - 06:02 .

[Ranger Jack Walker]

A 'civilian' fleet with military grade weapons is no longer a non-combatant fleet and since you all are so eager to apply real world military rules concerning non-combatants, that made them fair targets for anyone, not just the Geth.

[justafan]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

A 'civilian' fleet with military grade weapons is no longer a non-combatant fleet and since you all are so eager to apply real world military rules concerning non-combatants, that made them fair targets for anyone, not just the Geth.

Do you really think anyone expected the Geth or Reapers to abide by rules concerning "non-combatants".  Neither side has any history of sparing non-combatants.  Remember, the geth didn't let the final Quarians go because they were retreating, they let them go because they couldn't reach a consensus on the effects of total genocide.

The Quarians needed the civilian fleet to take back Rannoch, and they needed those ships armed to keep them safe and eventually fight the Reapers.  The Geth would not have sparred them had they been unarmed anyways, since the goal of the Geth in that situation is to exterminate the Quarian threat, they don't want ANY pissed off descendents coming back in 300 years like the last time, this time they have reached conscensus, this time they commit total genocide.

Modifié par justafan, 24 janvier 2013 - 06:51 .

[DirtySHISN0]

Cyrax86 wrote...
They would eventually be used against the Reapers, a ship without a way to defend it self would have been an easy target for the Reapers. 

Agreed, but for the moment at hand, it was unnecessary.

Cyrax86 wrote...
the Geth blocked the relay, preventing escape. 

after the initial attack...could have not taken the civilians with them to begin with.

Cyrax86 wrote...
So the Quarians should pay for their "mistake", while the Geth get a free pass.

if they continue to make the same mistakes without learning from them, yes.

Cyrax86 wrote...
and potentially other visiting alien races. in ME2 the Asari Erinya says she lost her bondmate during the initial Geth uprising)

She says she lost her bond mate when the Geth rebelled, then goes on the express how she dislikes all aliens that aren't Asari. This to me suggests the possibility exists that she could have been a victim of the Quarians.

Cyrax86 wrote...
 Legion withholding information during Rannoch missions. 

you prefer gerrel straight up trying to kill you?

Cyrax86 wrote...
Quarians attack the Geth, Quarians are winning, Geth lose intelligence and run to the Reapers. Geth winning, Reapers no longer have a reason to attack/harvest Quarians(at least not so soon). 

No Quarian attack on Geth, Reapers have a reason to get involved, Geth and Quarians fight Reapers, Geth lose intelligence over the course of the fight, they choose submission over extinction and side with Reapers, Quarians get blindsided. 

Quarians extend olive branch and attempt peaceful coexistence...wait! they never try this. (i took legion to Tali's trail in ME2, so the possibility of peace was presented by the Geth already)

Also, no Quarian attack on the Geth. Shepard recruits them (quarians), suggests recruiting Geth. Two communities fight together without needless loss of life in between.

It all Hinges on the Quarians mistakes.

Create Geth - not the mistake.
Fear Geth - mistake.

Modifié par DirtySHISN0, 24 janvier 2013 - 03:09 .

[DeinonSlayer]

[quote]DirtySHISN0 wrote...[quote]Cyrax86 wrote...They would eventually be used against the Reapers, a ship without a way to defend it self would have been an easy target for the Reapers.[/quote]Agreed, but for the moment at hand, it was unnecessary.[/quote]Better that they prepare for the Reaper invasion before it happens than do what every other species did and make a mad scramble in the midst of the invasion itself. Besides, per the Codex, most Quarian ships were armed for defense against pirate attack long before the second Geth war was on the horizon.
Also, the Geth have destroyed every ship detected entering their space for the last three centuries, regardless of armament or intent. If they can expect their ships to be targeted anyway (if not by the Geth, then by the Reapers), why not give them the ability to fight back?
[quote][quote]Cyrax86 wrote...the Geth blocked the relay, preventing escape. [/quote]after the initial attack...could have not taken the civilians with them to begin with.[/quote]Not an option. It takes daily food shipments to keep the fleet fed. Either their military drags along a liveship and one-third of the civilian fleet, leaving two-thirds of the fleet unprotected in the midst of a Reaper invasion, or they all move together.
[quote][quote]Cyrax86 wrote...So the Quarians should pay for their "mistake", while the Geth get a free pass. [/quote]if they continue to make the same mistakes without learning from them, yes.[/quote]And if the Geth never acknowledge their mistakes to begin with, that makes them better how?
[quote][quote]Cyrax86 wrote...and potentially other visiting alien races. in ME2 the Asari Erinya says she lost her bondmate during the initial Geth uprising) [/quote]She says she lost her bond mate when the Geth rebelled, then goes on the express how she dislikes all aliens that aren't Asari. This to me suggests, it could actually have been the quarians.[/quote]Would she not have specified if such were the case? Not saying it's not possible, but 99% of the entire Quarian population was slaughtered in a year, and the Geth killed anything that approached them for centuries afterwards. Is it so hard to believe the Geth killed her?
[quote][quote]Cyrax86 wrote...Legion withholding information during Rannoch missions. [/quote]you prefer gerrel straight up trying to kill you?[/quote]And what would have happened if he waited? Every Geth on that ship was still hostile. They'd be working on repairs. If they succeeded, the Dreadnought would have gone right back to tearing apart Shepard's only allies in the system with no way to stop it. The man made the right call.
[quote][quote]Cyrax86 wrote...Quarians attack the Geth, Quarians are winning, Geth lose intelligence and run to the Reapers. Geth winning, Reapers no longer have a reason to attack/harvest Quarians(at least not so soon). 
No Quarian attack on Geth, Reapers have a reason to get involved, Geth and Quarians fight Reapers, Geth lose intelligence over the course of the fight, they choose submission over extinction and side with Reapers, Quarians get blindsided. [/quote]Quarians extend olive branch and attempt peaceful coexistence...wait! they never try this. (i took legion to Tali's trail in ME2, so the possibility of peace was presented by the Geth already)
Also, no Quarian attack on the Geth. Shepard recruits them (quarians), suggests recruiting Geth. Two communities fight together without needless loss of life in between.
It all Hinges on the Quarians mistakes.
Create Geth - not the mistake.Fear Geth - mistake.[/quote]Tali and Legion were communicating. Legion severed contact. Geth, historically, shot down any diplomatic vessels sent to contact them, so that's out. Reapers are here. Quarians get caught in space, they're dead. Quarians invade to retake the one planet in the galaxy they stand a chance to survive on, which can grow food they can eat (freeing up the Liveships to grow food to stock the military for extended time "at sea"), and where a suit puncture won't spell death. Geth turn to the Reapers.
Both sides had little choice but to do what they did. Both had a hand in the circumstances that brought about this conflict.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 24 janvier 2013 - 03:52 .

[DeinonSlayer]

*snip*

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 24 janvier 2013 - 03:33 .

[DirtySHISN0]

DeinonSlayer wrote...
uber snip

Geth.

Now say "Quarians" back to me so we can end this never ending debate in a manner consistent with the threads that house it.

[DeinonSlayer]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...
uber snip

Geth.

Now say "Quarians" back to me so we can end this never ending debate in a manner consistent with the threads that house it.

Way to cut to the heart of it, SHISN0. 



I don't see anyone changing each other's minds.

[DirtySHISN0]

DeinonSlayer wrote...
Way to cut to the heart of it, SHISN0. 

I don't see anyone changing each other's minds.

I can't help myself. I see a Geth Vs. Quarians thread and i sit there thinking "don't get involved, there is no winning this argument".

Then before i know it, I've posted a long list a Geth bias.

[Sejborg]

To prove a point.

[silverexile17s]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Cyrax86 wrote...
They would eventually be used against the Reapers, a ship without a way to defend it self would have been an easy target for the Reapers. 

Agreed, but for the moment at hand, it was unnecessary.

Cyrax86 wrote...
the Geth blocked the relay, preventing escape. 

after the initial attack...could have not taken the civilians with them to begin with.

Cyrax86 wrote...
So the Quarians should pay for their "mistake", while the Geth get a free pass.

if they continue to make the same mistakes without learning from them, yes.

Cyrax86 wrote...
and potentially other visiting alien races. in ME2 the Asari Erinya says she lost her bondmate during the initial Geth uprising)

She says she lost her bond mate when the Geth rebelled, then goes on the express how she dislikes all aliens that aren't Asari. This to me suggests the possibility exists that she could have been a victim of the Quarians.

Cyrax86 wrote...
 Legion withholding information during Rannoch missions. 

you prefer gerrel straight up trying to kill you?

Cyrax86 wrote...
Quarians attack the Geth, Quarians are winning, Geth lose intelligence and run to the Reapers. Geth winning, Reapers no longer have a reason to attack/harvest Quarians(at least not so soon). 

No Quarian attack on Geth, Reapers have a reason to get involved, Geth and Quarians fight Reapers, Geth lose intelligence over the course of the fight, they choose submission over extinction and side with Reapers, Quarians get blindsided. 

Quarians extend olive branch and attempt peaceful coexistence...wait! they never try this. (i took legion to Tali's trail in ME2, so the possibility of peace was presented by the Geth already)

Also, no Quarian attack on the Geth. Shepard recruits them (quarians), suggests recruiting Geth. Two communities fight together without needless loss of life in between.

It all Hinges on the Quarians mistakes.

Create Geth - not the mistake.
Fear Geth - mistake.

1.Again, not when there are Reapers killing everything. Either arm up now, or risk waiting. You never take risks like that with Reapers. (Unless you name is Shepard:P)

2. I talked about this before. The two fleets are symbioticly linked. The civilian ships are the source of raw supplies (meds, fuel, food, repair materials, ect), and the combat sips the source of defense. They can't function without each-other. That's why they always travel together. The alternitive to bringing them would have been to leave them alone, out in space with the Reapers cralwing everywhere.
Which seems less risky?

3. And what of the geth? They stayed in isolation after the Heretcis ravaged the Citadel.
Hell, even after meeting Shepard, the geth stayed in isolation while both Earth and Palaven burned. We really could have used their help then. (And DON'T say the quarians tied them up. ME3 spans several months, and based on when it's avalible, the quarians don't attack either till right after, during, or right before the Cerberus Coup)
Mistake repeated: Isolation.
So don't say the geth haven't made mistakes.

4. A vcitim of....?!
The quarians weren't the ones using chemical weapons against civilians in a crusade to drive everyone away from them in overzelous self-defense. The geth were! It was also a rouge faction of geth that killed her daughters.
Asari being killed while visiting Rannoch is only proof that they were overzelous in their attack. Especally since Rannoch was attacked seperatly, near the end of the year-long Morning War. A seperate attack. Meaning they didn't need to attack Rannoch, but still did.

5. It was the flagship of the geth fleet, and it tore through a good 10% of the quarian fleet. It's disabled and vunerable, and if you pull out now, you'll have to face the thing again. I'd sure as hell be making sure the thing didn't get back up.
It's called a tactical decision. Admiral Hackett says he had no choice but to sacrifice the entire Alliance Second fleet so that the Third and Fifth fleets could escape the destruction of Arcturus Station. Decisions like that happen in war.

6. Again, the geth made mistakes too. They say they were willing to have peace, but never extend the offer. They never leave the Veil, even after Legion's talk with Koris on the possibilaty. They stay in isolation even after the Reapers arrive, while Earth and Palaven burn under Reaper fire. You can't blame the quarians for not believeing in peace when the geth never made the offer. What, were the quarians supposed to psycically know that the geth were waiting for them to come in and ask? Yes, the geth can't strive for peace alone, but they still need to make the attempt first. You can't say you wan't peace, and yet refuse to extend your hand out to the other. Especally when you did nothing about the rouge faction of yours that ripped the Attican Traverse a new one.

Admit it. Both sides are at a fault for their past actions, which in turn drove each side to take the path they did. Nither one had a choice but to do what they did.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 24 janvier 2013 - 08:15 .

[CynicalShep]

Geth are wrong. Quarians are wronger. The devs are probably reading this with a big bowl of cinnamon popcorn.