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[Yuqi]

It will probably be a romance mission DLC..

[The Heretic of Time]

spirosz wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spirosz wrote...

We're using gameplay now as an argument?

Yes. We're PLAYing a video-GAME after al.

Rofl.  Apparently Jack is the most powerful human biotic, yet she dies easily in terms of gameplay.  Such persuasive arguments I am making, yes. 

So? We call that Gameplay and story seggeration. Your point?

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 21 janvier 2013 - 03:02 .

[spirosz]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spirosz wrote...

We're using gameplay now as an argument?

Yes. We're PLAYing a video-GAME after al.

Rofl.  Apparently Jack is the most powerful human biotic, yet she dies easily in terms of gameplay.  Such persuasive arguments I am making, yes. 

So? We call that Gameplay and story seggeration. And this relates to my argument how exactly?

That gameplay has nothing to do with post ending and stating Collectors are the "toughest enemy".   

[The Heretic of Time]

And where did I say gameplay is related to whether the DLC is or isn't post-ending.

And the Collectors ARE the toughest enemies gameplay-wise and stats-wise. Story-wise they're just a pathetic waste of time.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 21 janvier 2013 - 03:06 .

[BleedingUranium]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

And where did I say gameplay is related to whether the DLC is or isn't post-ending.

And the Collectors ARE the toughest enemies gameplay-wise and stats-wise. Story-wise they're just a pathetic waste of time.

To you. I consider them the latter in both cases.

[spirosz]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

And where did I say gameplay is related to whether the DLC is or isn't post-ending.

And the Collectors ARE the toughest enemies gameplay-wise and stats-wise. Story-wise they're just a pathetic waste of time.

To you. I consider them the latter in both cases.

^

[spirosz]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

And where did I say gameplay is related to whether the DLC is or isn't post-ending.

And the Collectors ARE the toughest enemies gameplay-wise and stats-wise. Story-wise they're just a pathetic waste of time.

Well, this is a thread about upcoming ME3 DLC, is it not?  And there was gameplay being discussed.  

[The Heretic of Time]

Well, at least we agree that the ME2 plot is a pathetic waste of time.

[spirosz]

Yep.

[The Heretic of Time]

spirosz wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

And where did I say gameplay is related to whether the DLC is or isn't post-ending.

And the Collectors ARE the toughest enemies gameplay-wise and stats-wise. Story-wise they're just a pathetic waste of time.

Well, this is a thread about upcoming ME3 DLC, is it not?  And there was gameplay being discussed.  

And that discussion was off-topic.

[BleedingUranium]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Well, at least we agree that the ME2 plot is a pathetic waste of time.

Not even close to what I said.

[Obadiah]

Yuqi wrote...

It will probably be a romance mission DLC..

May I request space gondolas.

Thank you.

Modifié par Obadiah, 21 janvier 2013 - 03:14 .

[The Heretic of Time]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Well, at least we agree that the ME2 plot is a pathetic waste of time.

Not even close to what I said.

It is what I said. The collectors are a pathetic waste of time. They're just a filler enemy and their story-arc is a stagnant filler arc that does not further the plot in any single way.

It seemed like you and me agreed on that, but I should have known better. You are BleedingUranium after all.

[BleedingUranium]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Well, at least we agree that the ME2 plot is a pathetic waste of time.

Not even close to what I said.

It is what I said. The collectors are a pathetic waste of time. They're just a filler enemy and their story-arc is a stagnant filler arc that does not further the plot in any single way.

I could say the same about Saren and the Geth.

[Ravensword]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

And yes I know you can play both before suicide mission, I even tried it. But the way dialogue and plot is made, makes me pretty sure they take place after SM. Especially arrival cause otherwise Collectors plot would serve no purpose. 

The Collector plot doesn't serve a purpose regardless of when you play Arrival.

The Collector threat was just monster of the week sort of thing. By the end of ME2, the galaxy wasn't anymore prepared for the Reapers' arrival than they were in the beginning of the game. In fact, w/ the whole "Ah, yes. Reapers" thing, the galaxy was even worse off at the end.

that's why I blame ME2 for the series woes. I love the game. But it was the first Bioware game under EA's rule, and they incorporated mainstream shooter gameplay while taking out all of the things that made me fall in love with ME1. And the Collectors "side-story" took away from the main story-arcs plot progression.

The should have kept the focus on the Reapers. Then, maybe the third game wouldnt have had to worry about fitting the entire invasion and war into a single game....amongst the many other narrativesbthat get tied up during the course of ME3. They should've drawn it out over two games. Instead they wasted time on side story about Collectors.


I view the first game on its own. It stands alone in my eyes. ME2 and ME3 are sequals in narrative and characters only. Gameplay wise, ME1 is a different beast. ME3 is simply a sequal to the type of game we were introduced to in ME2, and a continuation of absent ME1 elements. (Mako, exploration, wide open battlefields instead of narrow corridors, and just the overall atmosphere of the first game.)

The whole Collector'sand human abduction thing could've been shunted to a DLC, or the Collector's themselves could've been defeated within the first act, while leaving the remainder of the game to prepare the galaxy for the Reapers. Even better would have been to have Shepard going around the galaxy trying to prepare everyone for the Reaper threat, while the Collectors would try to stop Shepard. It's certainly better than the whole human abduction story, which was really pointless. Better than Shepard going around and killing a bunch of random mooks all over the place.

All of the LMs were pointless given the plot of the ME series. Resources used for LMs could've been used for missions that actually help prepare the galaxy for the Reaper threat rather than just solving a bunch of personal issues that the characters had. If EAware wanted to keep these aspects in, then they really should've planned to make more than just three games. W/ the way ME3 ended up b/c of ME2, there really was no way that the series could've been done within three games. ME2 should've been like one of those games that gets released on handheld, smartphone, or tablet.

[BleedingUranium]

Stopping the creation of a Reaper though the abduction and murder of hundreds of thousands of colonists and destroying their pawns isn't important?

[The Heretic of Time]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Well, at least we agree that the ME2 plot is a pathetic waste of time.

Not even close to what I said.

It is what I said. The collectors are a pathetic waste of time. They're just a filler enemy and their story-arc is a stagnant filler arc that does not further the plot in any single way.

I could say the same about Saren and the Geth.

No you can't if you don't see the difference between the ME1 plot and the ME2 plot than you really know nothing about writing at all.

[The Heretic of Time]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Stopping the creation of a Reaper though the abduction and murder of hundreds of thousands of colonists and destroying their pawns isn't important?

The point, you missed it, completely.

[BleedingUranium]

You think we should have been preparing for the Reapers? Sure we should have, but that would be a different story. The whole point was that no one believe they exist until it's too late.

[Mcfly616]

BleedingUranium wrote...

You think we should have been preparing for the Reapers? Sure we should have, but that would be a different story. The whole point was that no one believe they exist until it's too late.

we're saying that the Collectors shouldn't even have been written into the story arc period.


The focus should've been kept on the Reapers.

[Ravensword]

BleedingUranium wrote...

You think we should have been preparing for the Reapers? Sure we should have, but that would be a different story. The whole point was that no one believe they exist until it's too late.

It should've been a different story. As it is, ME2 was wasted on the Collectors. As Seboist stated, the Collector's were scared off by a few anti-aircraft guns and their cruiser was destroyed by an unupgraded Normandy SR-2. The Collector's woudl've been easily dispatched by a dreadnought. A small fleet could've neutralized the Collector threat, freeing up Shepard to go about prepping the galaxy. The whole "Ah, yes. Reapers" derp was dumb. The council goes from believing the Reaper threat by the end of ME1, to rationalizing it away like it never happened when it did.

[BleedingUranium]

Mcfly616 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

You think we should have been preparing for the Reapers? Sure we should have, but that would be a different story. The whole point was that no one believe they exist until it's too late.

we're saying that the Collectors shouldn't even have been written into the story arc period.


The focus should've been kept on the Reapers.

The focus was always on the Reapers, the Collectors were just their servants. Just like Saren, the Heretic Geth, and Cerberus.

[BronzTrooper]

why is everyone speculating what the next DLC will be before we know anything about it? stop guessing and hoping your guess is right so that you wont be disappointed that the DLC isn't what you expected. i have a wait and see policy when it comes to new DLC's and games and i suggest you follow this policy too (at least until some info is released or "leaked"). people speculated what the end to ME3 was going to be even though there was very little info about it then when everyone saw the ending there was a huge uproar about it (not that i blame anyone for hating the ending cause i do too). if everyone guesses what the new DLC is going to be then the most popular guess will be come widely accepted an when the DLC actually comes out and it isn't what we expected people will be pissed. just save your speculations about the DLC for until after a decent amount of info about it is released.

[Mcfly616]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

You think we should have been preparing for the Reapers? Sure we should have, but that would be a different story. The whole point was that no one believe they exist until it's too late.

we're saying that the Collectors shouldn't even have been written into the story arc period.


The focus should've been kept on the Reapers.

The focus was always on the Reapers, the Collectors were just their servants. Just like Saren, the Heretic Geth, and Cerberus.

you spend the entirety of ME2 trying to find a way to make it through the Omega 4 relay and take down the Collectors. When what we should've been doing was trying to find a way to take out the Reapers

[Ravensword]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

You think we should have been preparing for the Reapers? Sure we should have, but that would be a different story. The whole point was that no one believe they exist until it's too late.

we're saying that the Collectors shouldn't even have been written into the story arc period.


The focus should've been kept on the Reapers.

The focus was always on the Reapers, the Collectors were just their servants. Just like Saren, the Heretic Geth, and Cerberus.

Yes, but Saren's, and by extension, the Geth's role was to activate the Citadel relay to dark space to bring Reapers into the galaxy. They had a clear role in the game concerning the Reapers. It's anyone's guess why the Collector's were trying to create a human Reaper, as the reason for creating the Human-Reaper is never made clear. Only Edi's guess about that possibly being the way Reaper's repdoduce, but it's never reavealed why Harbinger was using the Collectors in this way, and it doesn't really serve the overarching Reaper plot. The Collectors could've been better used as commandos sewing chaos in the galaxy and attempting to stop Shepard preparing the galaxy for the arrival of the Reapers.